2021 Draft Thread

[GSWFan1994]

big board 6/27

T1
1 Evan Mobley
2 Cade Cunningham

T2
3 Jalen Suggs
4 Jalen Green
5 Jonathan Kuminga

T3
6 Moses Moody
7 Jaden Springer
8 Jalen Johnson
9 Franz Wagner
10 Alperen Sengun
11 Scottie Barnes
12 Brandon Boston Jr.
13 Usman Garuba
14 Keon Johnson

T4
15 James Bouknight
16 Sharife Cooper
17 Jared Butler
18 Isaiah Jackson
19 Kai Jones
20 Ziaire Williams
21 Scottie Lewis
22 Trendon Watford
23 Corey Kispert
24 JT Thor
25 Roko Prkacin
26 Joe Wieskamp

Man, if we somehow manage to snag 2 of the guys in your 6-11 range, I'd be delighted.

I'm really, really hoping the teams between picks 8-13 draft Kispert, Mitchell and Keon, that would amplify our possibilities.

Clyde, please tell me, what in your opinion is the most realistic scenario for our both picks?

Edith: now I see that you alread replied to this some posts later, so just discard this.

Also, I think the possibility of Wagner dropping to pick 14 are extremely slow, no?

[Onus]

Moody/Wagner at 7/14 is pretty much the perfect scenario for us, but I am completely expecting Myers to do something dumb af per usual like take Davion/Kispert instead

This is probably as good as we can do with 7/14

[Scoots1994]

Completely different archetypes. Bouknight is a CG-sized score-first guy who doesn't do anything else at a high level. Moody is a wing-sized multi-positional defender who's going to be an off-ball player on offense out of the gate.

Moody could potentially be placed in the starting line-up and help us with defense and shooting. Bouknight would be a guy you bring off the bench for a scoring punch. If the front-office is torn between those two guys, that means they haven't done their job determining what kind of player they actually want with their pick.

I, personally, have zero interest in Bouknight at 7 and little interest in him at 14 either.

I realize there have been more comments after this, but wanted to comment specifically on the part that I put in bold.

I agree with this, but only if the assessment is that Moody and Bouknight overall are at the same level (tier) as prospect.

But if one of them is graded overall as a better prospect, you take him, even if the fit isn’t as good. Near the top of the draft, you always take the better prospect, and you solve for fit problems via free agency and trades (where hopefully you can swap talent-for-talent or talent-for-contract equally).

Only choose the better-fitting prospect if you think guys are overall at the same level.

I understand this sentiment, but I'll add two things:

1) We are not in a position to just draft for talent and worry about fit later as we are not your typical mid-lottery team. Ideally, we trade our assets for a player we can use now (with the caveat that I'd only to this if the value is fair). If nothing entices us, we draft to get someone to contribute this year or – at the latest – next year. Also, keep in mind that we're picking at 7 – all the ‘can't miss’ type of prospects are gone by then, so it's not like we'd be passing up on a top-tier prospect for a better fit. As a playoff team that picks at 7, short- and medium-term fit and impact is a relevant deciding-factor for me because the draft becomes a lot more flat after the top guys are gone.

2) I just don't see Bouknight as the kind of prospect that is an obviously better prospect than anyone else we could get at 7. He's not consistently mocked higher than this, he hasn't played like a different tier of prospect compared to others and his archetype doesn't scream ‘franchise player’ either. I'd understand if Barnes fell to 7, or Kuminga, and the FO is enticed to pick them even if they liked someone else more as a fit because they are generally considerably higher on the prospect that falls compared to anyone else available. I just don't think Bouknight is the guy that you feel like you have to take him at 7 based on talent alone or else you're very likely to regret it.

1. If they think there is a star on the board they should take him even if he needs a little time to contribute.

[clyde21]

big board 6/27

Spoiler:

T1
1 Evan Mobley
2 Cade Cunningham

T2
3 Jalen Suggs
4 Jalen Green
5 Jonathan Kuminga

T3
6 Moses Moody
7 Jaden Springer
8 Jalen Johnson
9 Franz Wagner
10 Alperen Sengun
11 Scottie Barnes
12 Brandon Boston Jr.
13 Usman Garuba
14 Keon Johnson

T4
15 James Bouknight
16 Sharife Cooper
17 Jared Butler
18 Isaiah Jackson
19 Kai Jones
20 Ziaire Williams
21 Scottie Lewis
22 Trendon Watford
23 Corey Kispert
24 JT Thor
25 Roko Prkacin
26 Joe Wieskamp

Man, if we somehow manage to snag 2 of the guys in your 6-11 range, I'd be delighted.

I'm really, really hoping the teams between picks 8-13 draft Kispert, Mitchell and Keon, that would amplify our possibilities.

Clyde, please tell me, what in your opinion is the most realistic scenario for our both picks?

Edith: now I see that you alread replied to this some posts later, so just discard this.

Also, I think the possibility of Wagner dropping to pick 14 are extremely slow, no?

i think Moody at 7 is very realistic, obv first 5 picks will be in Mobley/Cade/Suggs/Green/Kuminga in w/e order

then OKC is kinda of a wildcard, it's sounding like it'll be either Sengun or Barnes but we'll see...i guess they COULD go Moody but I don't see it, so I think Moody at 7 is a good bet to be available

14 is more open, if we take Moody @ 7 i'd be targeting Wagner at 14, he might not be available there though so next up would be Jalen Johnson.

i would also consider something like Knicks' #21 + #32 for #14 if they want to trade up if Wagner/Johnson aren't available.

[clyde21]

if it's Barnes at 7 instead of Moody, then I'd go Keon or Springer at 14 most likely

so basically it's one of these scenarios for me:

S1: Moody/Wagner or Johnson

S2: Barnes/Keon or Springer

S3: Moody or Barnes @ 7 and a trade down with New York for 21/32

[The-Power]

i would also consider something like Knicks' #21 + #32 for #14 if they want to trade up if Wagner/Johnson aren't available.

I don't think the Warriors have any interest in adding three Rookies to next year's roster. I'd actually be somewhat surprised if we end up with two. And for trade value, I think 14 is clearly more valuable than 21 and 32.

[clyde21]

i would also consider something like Knicks' #21 + #32 for #14 if they want to trade up if Wagner/Johnson aren't available.

I don't think the Warriors have any interest in adding three Rookies to next year's roster. I'd actually be somewhat surprised if we end up with two. And for trade value, I think 14 is clearly more valuable than 21 and 32.

people really need to drop this stigma about rookies that can't contribute right away, that's not the case anymore, and getting 2 extra picks allows us to go for a more ready guy, like a Jared Butler or Joe Wieskamp, at #21 or #32, maybe even both picks.

and there's nothing more valuable than rookie scale contract players that can play, so I disagree that it's a no go for the Warriors adding 3 rookies (at least it shouldn't be).

also disagree that we should only draft 1 rookie. we're getting handed a pretty good situation here by being able to take 2 guys in a strong lotto...i wouldn't do that at all unless it's like trading up for a Mobley or something.

that said, I would only trade down if the guys I want aren't available anyways.

[whatisacenter]

if it's Barnes at 7 instead of Moody, then I'd go Keon or Springer at 14 most likely

so basically it's one of these scenarios for me:

S1: Moody/Wagner or Johnson

S2: Barnes/Keon or Springer

S3: Moody or Barnes @ 7 and a trade down with New York for 21/32

I would be happy with these outcomes but I am starting to cool a bit on Wagner. Jack of all trades, master of none without plus athleticism and his 3 point shot really went south towards the end of the year, plus I might be holding his game against UCLA against him. I will be curious to see how his defense translates to the NBA.

I see you like Boston and I think he might be one of those Kentucky players who are better pros than they were college players like Herro and Maxey. What makes you higher on him than Ziaire Williams?

[Scoots1994]

Moody/Wagner at 7/14 is pretty much the perfect scenario for us, but I am completely expecting Myers to do something dumb af per usual like take Davion/Kispert instead

This is probably as good as we can do with 7/14

They are on my list. The only thing is I'd like one of the picks to be more of a high ceiling player rather than 2 contribute-now players.

[Scoots1994]

big board 6/27

Spoiler:

T1
1 Evan Mobley
2 Cade Cunningham

T2
3 Jalen Suggs
4 Jalen Green
5 Jonathan Kuminga

T3
6 Moses Moody
7 Jaden Springer
8 Jalen Johnson
9 Franz Wagner
10 Alperen Sengun
11 Scottie Barnes
12 Brandon Boston Jr.
13 Usman Garuba
14 Keon Johnson

T4
15 James Bouknight
16 Sharife Cooper
17 Jared Butler
18 Isaiah Jackson
19 Kai Jones
20 Ziaire Williams
21 Scottie Lewis
22 Trendon Watford
23 Corey Kispert
24 JT Thor
25 Roko Prkacin
26 Joe Wieskamp

Man, if we somehow manage to snag 2 of the guys in your 6-11 range, I'd be delighted.

I'm really, really hoping the teams between picks 8-13 draft Kispert, Mitchell and Keon, that would amplify our possibilities.

Clyde, please tell me, what in your opinion is the most realistic scenario for our both picks?

Edith: now I see that you alread replied to this some posts later, so just discard this.

Also, I think the possibility of Wagner dropping to pick 14 are extremely slow, no?

i think Moody at 7 is very realistic, obv first 5 picks will be in Mobley/Cade/Suggs/Green/Kuminga in w/e order

then OKC is kinda of a wildcard, it's sounding like it'll be either Sengun or Barnes but we'll see...i guess they COULD go Moody but I don't see it, so I think Moody at 7 is a good bet to be available

14 is more open, if we take Moody @ 7 i'd be targeting Wagner at 14, he might not be available there though so next up would be Jalen Johnson.

i would also consider something like Knicks' #21 + #32 for #14 if they want to trade up if Wagner/Johnson aren't available.

I think the top 4 are near a lock and that's where questions start. The real question is there anyone in that 7-10ish range that the teams at 5 and 6 might love and not be able to find a trade down partner for.

I like Jalen Johnson too, but he's all about the interview process.

There will certainly be someone good at 14.

[Scoots1994]

i would also consider something like Knicks' #21 + #32 for #14 if they want to trade up if Wagner/Johnson aren't available.

I don't think the Warriors have any interest in adding three Rookies to next year's roster. I'd actually be somewhat surprised if we end up with two. And for trade value, I think 14 is clearly more valuable than 21 and 32.

people really need to drop this stigma about rookies that can't contribute right away, that's not the case anymore, and getting 2 extra picks allows us to go for a more ready guy, like a Jared Butler or Joe Wieskamp, at #21 or #32, maybe even both picks.

and there's nothing more valuable than rookie scale contract players that can play, so I disagree that it's a no go for the Warriors adding 3 rookies (at least it shouldn't be).

also disagree that we should only draft 1 rookie. we're getting handed a pretty good situation here by being able to take 2 guys in a strong lotto...i wouldn't do that at all unless it's like trading up for a Mobley or something.

that said, I would only trade down if the guys I want aren't available anyways.

I agree. The lottery rookies that struggle to contribute are rare. Mostly teenagers or players who just recently started playing the game.

[DevinVassell]

i would also consider something like Knicks' #21 + #32 for #14 if they want to trade up if Wagner/Johnson aren't available.

I don't think the Warriors have any interest in adding three Rookies to next year's roster. I'd actually be somewhat surprised if we end up with two. And for trade value, I think 14 is clearly more valuable than 21 and 32.

people really need to drop this stigma about rookies that can't contribute right away, that's not the case anymore, and getting 2 extra picks allows us to go for a more ready guy, like a Jared Butler or Joe Wieskamp, at #21 or #32, maybe even both picks.

and there's nothing more valuable than rookie scale contract players that can play, so I disagree that it's a no go for the Warriors adding 3 rookies (at least it shouldn't be).

also disagree that we should only draft 1 rookie. we're getting handed a pretty good situation here by being able to take 2 guys in a strong lotto...i wouldn't do that at all unless it's like trading up for a Mobley or something.

that said, I would only trade down if the guys I want aren't available anyways.

I agree with this. Memphis had two very competent rookies last year in Bane and Tillman for example.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I don't think the Warriors have any interest in adding three Rookies to next year's roster. I'd actually be somewhat surprised if we end up with two. And for trade value, I think 14 is clearly more valuable than 21 and 32.

people really need to drop this stigma about rookies that can't contribute right away, that's not the case anymore, and getting 2 extra picks allows us to go for a more ready guy, like a Jared Butler or Joe Wieskamp, at #21 or #32, maybe even both picks.

and there's nothing more valuable than rookie scale contract players that can play, so I disagree that it's a no go for the Warriors adding 3 rookies (at least it shouldn't be).

also disagree that we should only draft 1 rookie. we're getting handed a pretty good situation here by being able to take 2 guys in a strong lotto...i wouldn't do that at all unless it's like trading up for a Mobley or something.

that said, I would only trade down if the guys I want aren't available anyways.

I agree with this. Memphis had two very competent rookies last year in Bane and Tillman for example.

I agree with Clyde and with you agreeing with Clyde, haha.

For me (At least, for the current team), rookies who are seasoned (3-4 years of college bball), multi-skilled and/or have strong intangibles (e.g., established work ethic, shown effort on both sides, wanting it more, etc.) are ones that should be sought after because it shows they know enough to play organized bball, play to their strengths (Aren't forced or force themselves to do something out of ordinary), and actually add value to the team.

For this squad in particular, they can't wait on "projects," "potential" or "upside" right now.

[510TWSS]

thoughts on Wagner at 7?

Slater has him in the Athletic's writer mock.

after looking at who could be available at 7, Wagner doesn't seem like a terrible selection

https://youtu.be/Pip_d2RU27Y

this guy has a good breakdown and he said he could see him going top 7-8

[FNQ]

Moody was a spot up shooter in college thus lower turnovers.

Saying it again - Moody handled the ball a lot for a spot up shooter. Watch their offense.. A lot of times they iso'd him. I dont know why, I think it's the basketball IQ equivalent of trading a lottery pick to acquire D'Angelo Russell, but they did it. I wonder who their coach is, because man that stagnated, give-non-handlers-the-ball offense sure seems damn familar to me..

Spoiler:

**** MOUSETRAP

His TOs were low because he's a careful player who doesn't take many risks. This is why his assists are low despite being a non-creator: their leading assist player was a forward who's ok at it, and their starting PG? Well it was a split down the middle, with one averaging 2.1 apg and the other averaging 1.8 per game.

So not only was Moody handling more than he should, the entire Arkansas team was a team that didnt play to Moody's offensive strengths, and as a freshman he still managed a decent shooting clip and 17ppg. Imagine him playing in a motion offense where he's the 3rd strongest shooter on the team..

[osx28]

Just saw a headline for an Athletic article about how the dubs should trade up to get Cade. It's behind a paywall so I couldn't read the whole thing, but for anyone who can read it, does the Athletic come up with something reasonable on how it could happen? I don't see how it's nothing but a pipe dream. I think our absolute best package would be Wiseman, #7, #14, JP, and 2 future unprotected firsts and I still don't think Detroit would make that trade.

I think Chad ford argued that Mobley is better than Cade and wouldn't be surprised if Detroit took him, if that were to happen. Would Houston take our package for Cade? I doubt it, but there's a slightly better chance because they want to recover some lost draft capital from that Westbrook trade.

Maybe Cleveland would take our package for the #3, so we could take Green or Suggs, but I don't think either of them would be worth that sort of haul. Would that package minus Wiseman and JP get us #3 or #4 to get Suggs? (Essentially 4 1sts for Suggs) Would he be worth it?

I honestly hadn't considered the possibility of moving up to the top 4, but that article got me thinking. What do you guys think?

[CS707]

Moody was a spot up shooter in college thus lower turnovers.

Saying it again - Moody handled the ball a lot for a spot up shooter. Watch their offense.. A lot of times they iso'd him. I dont know why, I think it's the basketball IQ equivalent of trading a lottery pick to acquire D'Angelo Russell, but they did it. I wonder who their coach is, because man that stagnated, give-non-handlers-the-ball offense sure seems damn familar to me..

Spoiler:

**** MOUSETRAP

His TOs were low because he's a careful player who doesn't take many risks. This is why his assists are low despite being a non-creator: their leading assist player was a forward who's ok at it, and their starting PG? Well it was a split down the middle, with one averaging 2.1 apg and the other averaging 1.8 per game.

So not only was Moody handling more than he should, the entire Arkansas team was a team that didnt play to Moody's offensive strengths, and as a freshman he still managed a decent shooting clip and 17ppg. Imagine him playing in a motion offense where he's the 3rd strongest shooter on the team..

Agreed. His offensive game was almost reminiscent of Jordon Poole to me in terms of ball handling/shooting from what little I watched. Offensively I like Duarte's fit better. Seems to do more off the ball and actually has a nice off the dribble shot as well. I don't watch enough to feel strongly about one over the other but that was my observation.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I think Clyde's tiers are pretty on point

I'd be happy if we got any two out of the T3 guys except Guruba, and I'd be disappointed with any of the T4 guys

[KevinMcreynolds]

where's Mitchell though? Even if you don't like him, not being in the top 26 is excessive. I'd be stoked if we got him at 14.

[Mob Byers]

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