Bosh: Nets Big 3 are better than Heat Big 3

[LikeABosh]

Heatles were a more complete squad but not necessarily the best fit. Plus Wade declined and was no longer a top 3 player by 2012 so I guess the current Nets big 3 would be better

[GregOden]

Heat Big 3 had too much skills overlap, they were all iso players. Whereas KD and Irving are all-time great at playing off the ball. So they are able to fit much better.

The Heat Big 3 were more reminiscent of the 99' Rockets except with a younger Barkley, Pippen, and Hakeem--also a situation with too much skills overlap. 3 playmakers but not that much spacing or off-ball skills.

[celticfan42487]

LeBron had one of the biggest choke jobs of all time agains the Mavs.

So it depends on the season, pre Mavs choke jobs the Nets have the edge for sure.

After LeBron figured out how to not choke as the man then maybe the Heat.


But that doesn't take into account the advantage of all their Heat players having no injury concerns, or locker room ticking time bomb concerns.

[TheGOATRises007]

In terms of fit offensively, I agree.

[cupcakesnake]

There's a whole bunch of folks who are trying to figure out how to argue that Miami's big three was better than NJ's is without admitting that James was/is better than Durant.

Some problems are not meant to be solved.

[adios]

Health has to play into this.

Heat win easily. Prime LeBron would live at the rim.

[DaPessimist]

I'm taking Miami Big 3 without hesitation.

[Benedict_Boozer]

Miami Lebron would destroy the Nets. I think people are forgetting how much of a train to the rim and defensive monster he was at that point.

[LakerLegend]

Maybe as they were, and if you count fit.

Prime LeBron and Prime Wade are the two best playoff performers in the discussion by a lot though.


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Not really. Take away the 2006 questionable officiating performance out of the equation and KD is clearly above Wade in that respect.

Even with that you can easily make an argument for KD.

[NZB2323]

Lebron > Durant
Wade >= Harden
Bosh >= Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually all played together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

Honestly, DWade by 2012 really wasn't as good as Harden is now, and I'd argue he was barely better than Kyrie, if at all. The thing about Harden and Kyrie is that they're both elite shooters, and we saw them all put up pretty amazing numbers even when all three of them played. There really wasn't an obvious sacrifice, Harden just played more of a facilitator role and kyrie played more off ball and KD played the way he always did. Wade was never that level of off-ball threat and couldn't seamlessly fit with lebron in the same way. Offensively, he was a little worse playing with Brown.

But Bosh, I just don't get that one other than health. Kyrie is an elite shooter and really just a much better scorer than Bosh. Not as good of a defender, but a far better playmaker. Bosh averaged like 14/7/1.5 on I think decent efficiency in the playoffs w. the heat. Kyrie was putting up like 24/6/5 on like 48/37/93 and about 59 TS% before he went down. There's no situation where Kyrie would average that small of an amount of points. There were times when the Heat needed more, but Bosh simply couldn't do it.

As a whole, I think it's pretty clear the Nets Big 3 was better because all three of those guys can shoot and essentially do everything on or off the ball. Any one of them can initiate the offense, any one of them can drop 30 or 40 points, any one of them can handle the ball in transition, any one of them can hit 5 or 6 threes in a game. DWade was still probably just as good as Harden or KD or even a little better in 2011, but 2k12-2k14 those injuries made him a lot less effective.

If you’re going to hold Wade’s performance from 2012-2014 against him, when he was playing through injuries, then tell me how well Irving and Harden performed in the playoffs this year.

Lebron and Wade were arguably the 2 best players in the NBA when they joined forces.

[El Alonzo scowl]

K

Lmk when they win back-to-back championships in 4 finals trips and 27 games in a row

[Tor_Raps]

2021 Lebron > 2021 Durant
2011 Wade >= 2021 Harden
2011 Bosh >= 2021 Irving

That's not how it works.

Unless you really believe this, too

Dirk > LeBron
Terry > Wade
Chandler > Bosh

I was speaking only speaking of how Miami's big 3 compares to the Nets Big 3 without considering the rest of the rosters. Dallas beating Miami that year doesn't make the Mavs top 3 players better than miamis top 3 players. It does make Dallas's entire team better than Miami's entire team.

I would take Miami's big 3 every time since the defensive side of the court matters too.

[2klegend]

Give me the Heats big 3. The defensive edge and playmaking ability of Wade and Lebron is what drive that Heats team despite the misfit between Wade and Lebron. They were so dominant at playing the passing lane in the half court press, remind a lot of like Jordan/Pippen. If we talk about prime, then 2011 Heats > 2021 Nets. Lebron is pretty much in his peak form.

[AIfan3]

We haven't really seen the Nets Big 3 play together, so this comparison can't even be made..

[Tracymcgoaty]

2021 Lebron > 2021 Durant
2011 Wade >= 2021 Harden
2011 Bosh >= 2021 Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually all played together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

Wasn't Wade's Knees shot after 2012?

[KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127]

Durant, Kyrie and Harden are all better than Wade and Bosh so even if you say Lebron was the best you still have the Nets Big 3 as the next 3 best and most talented. So your real question is Prime Lebron that much better than an older torn ACL Durant. Not sure that’s a far comparasion but it’s closer than people think.

[TheGOATWill]

Lebron > Durant
Wade >= Harden
Bosh >= Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually all played together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

You're lying to no one but yourself if you think 2012-2014 Wade was better than current James Harden.

I guess Wade also deliberately sacrificed his health in those years too right?

Both ends of the floor or just iso scoring?

[Pelly24]

Lebron > Durant
Wade >= Harden
Bosh >= Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually all played together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

Honestly, DWade by 2012 really wasn't as good as Harden is now, and I'd argue he was barely better than Kyrie, if at all. The thing about Harden and Kyrie is that they're both elite shooters, and we saw them all put up pretty amazing numbers even when all three of them played. There really wasn't an obvious sacrifice, Harden just played more of a facilitator role and kyrie played more off ball and KD played the way he always did. Wade was never that level of off-ball threat and couldn't seamlessly fit with lebron in the same way. Offensively, he was a little worse playing with Brown.

But Bosh, I just don't get that one other than health. Kyrie is an elite shooter and really just a much better scorer than Bosh. Not as good of a defender, but a far better playmaker. Bosh averaged like 14/7/1.5 on I think decent efficiency in the playoffs w. the heat. Kyrie was putting up like 24/6/5 on like 48/37/93 and about 59 TS% before he went down. There's no situation where Kyrie would average that small of an amount of points. There were times when the Heat needed more, but Bosh simply couldn't do it.

As a whole, I think it's pretty clear the Nets Big 3 was better because all three of those guys can shoot and essentially do everything on or off the ball. Any one of them can initiate the offense, any one of them can drop 30 or 40 points, any one of them can handle the ball in transition, any one of them can hit 5 or 6 threes in a game. DWade was still probably just as good as Harden or KD or even a little better in 2011, but 2k12-2k14 those injuries made him a lot less effective.

Very good retort. I was considering 2011 Wade with the first year of Harden. It is the only reason why I said he was better than Harden. We will see how Harden looks in the next few years and compare those years with Wade's 2012-2014.

I picked Bosh as the 3rd star because he can do more things to compliment the other 2 stars by just being a big man (rebounding, interior scoring, pick and rolls, defense, etc.).

Those numbers with all 3 playing are far too small of a sample size to determine anything. They played like 7 games together all year.

Word. I'll say it's a small sample size, but by nature, KD and Kyrie don't need to dominate the ball to be dominant. These guys are probably the two most seamless, effortless shot-makers the game's ever seen. Kyrie can not touch the ball for like two quarters, but then all the sudden just score 10 straight points. It will be like, he happens to get the ball in the midrange and says "what the hell, might as well try a floater" cashes it. Then it's a catch and shoot threee, then it's a pull-up 28-footer, then a layup in transition. With LeBron his usage rate was about the same and it didn't matter, he was always ready to go. W. KD this is even more true. Neither of these guys have to get into a rhythm and they've given the offense over to Harden. Functionally, I never had doubts about the big 3 offense working, because KD and Kyrie really don't need anyone's help to score. Thats why their numbers are always the same regardless of team set up.

I'll say Bosh was a great defender and if it were more emphasized, maybe he would've been more like a true stretch 5. If the Cavs had him instead of Kevin Love they'd be a lot better (2014-2018).

[Pelly24]

Lebron > Durant
Wade >= Harden
Bosh >= Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually all played together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

Honestly, DWade by 2012 really wasn't as good as Harden is now, and I'd argue he was barely better than Kyrie, if at all. The thing about Harden and Kyrie is that they're both elite shooters, and we saw them all put up pretty amazing numbers even when all three of them played. There really wasn't an obvious sacrifice, Harden just played more of a facilitator role and kyrie played more off ball and KD played the way he always did. Wade was never that level of off-ball threat and couldn't seamlessly fit with lebron in the same way. Offensively, he was a little worse playing with Brown.

But Bosh, I just don't get that one other than health. Kyrie is an elite shooter and really just a much better scorer than Bosh. Not as good of a defender, but a far better playmaker. Bosh averaged like 14/7/1.5 on I think decent efficiency in the playoffs w. the heat. Kyrie was putting up like 24/6/5 on like 48/37/93 and about 59 TS% before he went down. There's no situation where Kyrie would average that small of an amount of points. There were times when the Heat needed more, but Bosh simply couldn't do it.

As a whole, I think it's pretty clear the Nets Big 3 was better because all three of those guys can shoot and essentially do everything on or off the ball. Any one of them can initiate the offense, any one of them can drop 30 or 40 points, any one of them can handle the ball in transition, any one of them can hit 5 or 6 threes in a game. DWade was still probably just as good as Harden or KD or even a little better in 2011, but 2k12-2k14 those injuries made him a lot less effective.

If you’re going to hold Wade’s performance from 2012-2014 against him, when he was playing through injuries, then tell me how well Irving and Harden performed in the playoffs this year.

Lebron and Wade were arguably the 2 best players in the NBA when they joined forces.

Harden averaged 20/6/9 on 67 TS% and had a 9.2 BPM and .262 ws/48 these playoffs. And that's taking into account the performances after he was injured and the game he was injured in the first couple of minutes. In the first round, he was probably the best player in the playoffs. Kyrie averaged 23/6/3 on 58 TS% and he had the fourth highest net rating in the playoffs. He would've averaged like 28/6/7 or 8 on 48/39/92 or something like that if Harden weren't there, but he just kicked it during Celtic series, and then he got injured first half of last game against the Bucks. Harden and Kyrie were basically pretty dominant during the playoffs (KD and Kyrie looked like the best players on the court for much of the first three games against the bucks, that series was probably going 5, 6 games tops), even taking injuries into account. KD and Harden are two of the top 5 players in the league, former MVP's. Harden can average 36/8/10 on 62 TS%, KD can average ridiculous numbers. LeBron and Wade were kind of a clunky fit, though they were so good it didn't matter (until wade wasn't healthy).

[TinmanZBoy]

https://sports.yahoo.com/chris-bosh-nets-big-3-233225695.html

Not sure if he's talking in a 3 on 3 or actual team game.

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