Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[arkuo]

Depends. If derozan get the 5m/year he is worth something probably could be worked out. But he thinks he is a star and should get 25. Zero intrest in paying such a flawed player.

I bet he gets $30+ million.

Hot damn. I'll most likely back off $30M and just explore Victor Oladipo if he'd accept something cheaper.

[Darren]

I think some small market team is willing to take KP for pure cap space and forgettable draft assets. But are the Mavs that desperate to move on from KP. To me, KP for Buddy is a done deal. Afterall, Buddy is Luke Kennard with playmaking ability with no trouble not having the ball nearly all time. When Luka sits, Buddy can get own shots and sets up for teammates. I think Buddy is more natural fit than Hardaway.

So I still think I'd target Buddy more than Kemba in a potential swap. I'm also interested in KP for TE and draft assets kind of trade. I don't think highly of Hardaway. Nor is Markkanen. I just gets player who's interested in joining Luka. Buddy is one of them. So is Ntilikina whom I don't think Knicks is willing to retain. I'm still thinking about Markkanen depending on what's going on with KP. Rose, Howard and Batum are all within Mavs price tag. I bother about the willingness to come though. I think Batum is quite underrated.

Markkanen-Batum-Doncic-Buddy-Rose are potentially good offensively. With Howard and Ntilikina alongside Kleber, DFS and so on, that's flexibility on the defensive end. If things doesn't work out, start either Howard or Kleber. That's very fine for me. I think Rose/Ntilikina/filler-Brunson/J-Rich/Burke/filler deal is possible.

C - Howard / Kleber / ______
PF - Batum / Powell / ______
SF - Doncic / DFS / Bey
SG - Buddy / Green / Hinton
PG - Rose / Ntilikina / Terry

Not bad

[Mr B]

Depends. If derozan get the 5m/year he is worth something probably could be worked out. But he thinks he is a star and should get 25. Zero intrest in paying such a flawed player.

I bet he gets $30+ million.

I like DeRozen but definitely not for that much.


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[Apz]

You dont pay someone that cant shoot from 3 25m in todays nba. Only reason to do it is if you dont have a ballhandler. What will his job be when luka is on court? My guess is sitting on the bench. You dont pay someone 25 for that either.

And i prefer thj over hield. Atleast he tries on defense and are willing to play his role

[JJP]

You dont pay someone that cant shoot from 3 25m in todays nba. Only reason to do it is if you dont have a ballhandler. What will his job be when luka is on court? My guess is sitting on the bench. You dont pay someone 25 for that either.

It depends on who DeRozan is surrounded by. San Antonio was not a high volume 3-point team, but they shot a better 3-point percentage than teams like the Lakers and New Orleans.

I'm not sure DeRozan is a bad fit on a team where there is only one other player creating their own shot. As long as you can spread the floor with your bigs, DeRozan might be very good with Luka and the right offense.

[arkuo]

If you surround Luka with 4 guys just shooting 3 pointers, you essentially build the team like the 2018 Houston Rockets. Luka will score 60 pts in a loss. Heliocentric basketball doesn't work. Luka will need to play off ball at times, there is no need for him to dribble 57 times every possession.

Also think about it on the flip side, you have Derozan operating on the inside with everybody else (including Luka) outside.

Again it would depend on how much he costs. Derozan averages in the high 20s every game. THJ shows up big once every 5 games. Those things need to be considered or you risk fielding the same team for 3 years in a row yielding the same first round exit every time.

[Mr B]

You dont pay someone that cant shoot from 3 25m in todays nba. Only reason to do it is if you dont have a ballhandler. What will his job be when luka is on court? My guess is sitting on the bench. You dont pay someone 25 for that either.

And i prefer thj over hield. Atleast he tries on defense and are willing to play his role

You can’t forget the end of that playoff series when they were forcing the ball out of Luka’s hands and no one could get to the bucket. Instead they settle for jacking up 3’s. It would be nice to have another guy on the court that create his own shot (or create for others). Also someone that is very good from the free throw line.


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[Mr B]

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[arkuo]

Im not sure how much you could trust Mike Fisher and his info.

On the flip side you also have the national media stirring the pot on Dame's displeasure in Portland. That news should come back and fourth all season.

Dame is this year's Giannis when it comes to the Mavs chasing talent. Hopefully it ends differently.

[HMFFL]

Depends. If derozan get the 5m/year he is worth something probably could be worked out. But he thinks he is a star and should get 25. Zero intrest in paying such a flawed player.

I bet he gets $30+ million.

I like DeRozen but definitely not for that much.


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25-30m per season is reasonable and the range I expect him to be paid.

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[DJ_3_Ball]

Im not sure how much you could trust Mike Fisher and his info.

On the flip side you also have the national media stirring the pot on Dame's displeasure in Portland. That news should come back and fourth all season.

Dame is this year's Giannis when it comes to the Mavs chasing talent. Hopefully it ends differently.

For my money Dirk, Giannis & Dame are all cut from the same cloth. 3 of the most loyal players and all around good humans to ever play in the NBA. Maybe in that exact same order.

Dirk has said if he didn't win in 2011, he would have at least had to think about leaving Dallas.

I think the Giannis situation is different in Milwaukee. A) Giannis is younger with more room to grow as a player and B) Milwaukee got Jrue Holiday in the offseason.

Dame already signed his extension with POR. He's older and looking at things like how much longer is my window to be a top 10 player in the league? Can I win in Portland? They've only ever had CJ McCollum to partner with Dame, unless you count Nurkic.

So, while Dame is in that category with Dirk & Giannis, I can understand why he would leave. Also, the Woke Police in Portland giving him crap over Billups hiring can't help. If Dame did leave, he'd look for a situation like Dallas. I think we'd be his top choice, maybe his only choice outside of staying in Portland.

My only concern is the fit. Luka & Dame #1 and #10 in usage rate this last season. Can Luka surrender enough of his touches to keep a star player like Dame happy?

[arkuo]

Im not sure how much you could trust Mike Fisher and his info.

On the flip side you also have the national media stirring the pot on Dame's displeasure in Portland. That news should come back and fourth all season.

Dame is this year's Giannis when it comes to the Mavs chasing talent. Hopefully it ends differently.

For my money Dirk, Giannis & Dame are all cut from the same cloth. 3 of the most loyal players and all around good humans to ever play in the NBA. Maybe in that exact same order.

Dirk has said if he didn't win in 2011, he would have at least had to think about leaving Dallas.

I think the Giannis situation is different in Milwaukee. A) Giannis is younger with more room to grow as a player and B) Milwaukee got Jrue Holiday in the offseason.

Dame already signed his extension with POR. He's older and looking at things like how much longer is my window to be a top 10 player in the league? Can I win in Portland? They've only ever had CJ McCollum to partner with Dame, unless you count Nurkic.

So, while Dame is in that category with Dirk & Giannis, I can understand why he would leave. Also, the Woke Police in Portland giving him crap over Billups hiring can't help. If Dame did leave, he'd look for a situation like Dallas. I think we'd be his top choice, maybe his only choice outside of staying in Portland.

My only concern is the fit. Luka & Dame #1 and #10 in usage rate this last season. Can Luka surrender enough of his touches to keep a star player like Dame happy?

Agreed. In terms of fit I think it should work as Dame can play off ball some. I'd think of it as a Steph Curry and Klay Thompson combo in terms of any one player can explode on any given quarter or night. Steph and Klay both need the ball and both shoot well. They just take the pressure of double teams off each other. That's what a Luka-Dame pairing should theoretically do as both players get double teamed on every possession. Now with those two on the same team, there is no way to do that now. Especially with Dame being able to shoot with ease from the logo.

[DJ_3_Ball]

Agreed. In terms of fit I think it should work as Dame can play off ball some. I'd think of it as a Steph Curry and Klay Thompson combo in terms of any one player can explode on any given quarter or night. Steph and Klay both need the ball and both shoot well. They just take the pressure of double teams off each other. That's what a Luka-Dame pairing should theoretically do as both players get double teamed on every possession. Now with those two on the same team, there is no way to do that now. Especially with Dame being able to shoot with ease from the logo.

What are you talking about bro? Klay famously had a 60 point game on only 11 dribbles (in 3Q). Klay's last healthy season in the league '18-'19 he was 33rd in Usage rate. Dame was 10th this year. That's a significant difference.

I know what you're saying about looks and FGA, but I'm talking about having the ball in your hand. Luka has the ball in his hand for so much of the shot clock. That's not something Klay does. However, Dame's role in POR is to have the ball in his hand. There's nothing to point to that says Dame would be okay with switching to coming off the ball, pretty much all the time.

I actually think it's likely Dame would want to come to Dallas. My question is, Can Luka adapt to having another primary ballhandler on the roster?

[boogiezen]

Agreed. In terms of fit I think it should work as Dame can play off ball some. I'd think of it as a Steph Curry and Klay Thompson combo in terms of any one player can explode on any given quarter or night. Steph and Klay both need the ball and both shoot well. They just take the pressure of double teams off each other. That's what a Luka-Dame pairing should theoretically do as both players get double teamed on every possession. Now with those two on the same team, there is no way to do that now. Especially with Dame being able to shoot with ease from the logo.

What are you talking about bro? Klay famously had a 60 point game on only 11 dribbles (in 3Q). Klay's last healthy season in the league '18-'19 he was 33rd in Usage rate. Dame was 10th this year. That's a significant difference.

I know what you're saying about looks and FGA, but I'm talking about having the ball in your hand. Luka has the ball in his hand for so much of the shot clock. That's not something Klay does. However, Dame's role in POR is to have the ball in his hand. There's nothing to point to that says Dame would be okay with switching to coming off the ball, pretty much all the time.

I actually think it's likely Dame would want to come to Dallas. My question is, Can Luka adapt to having another primary ballhandler on the roster?

Luka played off ball when he was still playing in Real Madrid and Slovenia. Goran Dragic handled the PG duties for Slovenia and they won the Euro basket. He was the MVP in Euroleague even though he wasn't the ball dominant.

He worked well with Brunson.

If there's anything, he would probably adapt. BUT I doubt Dame will be coming over. Dallas has NO assets.

[arkuo]

Agreed. In terms of fit I think it should work as Dame can play off ball some. I'd think of it as a Steph Curry and Klay Thompson combo in terms of any one player can explode on any given quarter or night. Steph and Klay both need the ball and both shoot well. They just take the pressure of double teams off each other. That's what a Luka-Dame pairing should theoretically do as both players get double teamed on every possession. Now with those two on the same team, there is no way to do that now. Especially with Dame being able to shoot with ease from the logo.

What are you talking about bro? Klay famously had a 60 point game on only 11 dribbles (in 3Q). Klay's last healthy season in the league '18-'19 he was 33rd in Usage rate. Dame was 10th this year. That's a significant difference.

I know what you're saying about looks and FGA, but I'm talking about having the ball in your hand. Luka has the ball in his hand for so much of the shot clock. That's not something Klay does. However, Dame's role in POR is to have the ball in his hand. There's nothing to point to that says Dame would be okay with switching to coming off the ball, pretty much all the time.

I actually think it's likely Dame would want to come to Dallas. My question is, Can Luka adapt to having another primary ballhandler on the roster?

Im not saying Luka can shoot like Klay. But if you watch Dame's highlights you notice he uses a lot of hose one dribble jumpshots coming off screens for a 3. That's very similar to how THJ gets passes from Luka now. Dame can be a supersized THJ. And Luka can play decoy at times. If you watch the PHX series and how Booker and CP3 share the ball and how CP3 just feeds booker at times? Well that's how a Luka and Dame pairing would work, just that the feeding part comes from Luka to Dame.

[arkuo]

Agreed. In terms of fit I think it should work as Dame can play off ball some. I'd think of it as a Steph Curry and Klay Thompson combo in terms of any one player can explode on any given quarter or night. Steph and Klay both need the ball and both shoot well. They just take the pressure of double teams off each other. That's what a Luka-Dame pairing should theoretically do as both players get double teamed on every possession. Now with those two on the same team, there is no way to do that now. Especially with Dame being able to shoot with ease from the logo.

What are you talking about bro? Klay famously had a 60 point game on only 11 dribbles (in 3Q). Klay's last healthy season in the league '18-'19 he was 33rd in Usage rate. Dame was 10th this year. That's a significant difference.

I know what you're saying about looks and FGA, but I'm talking about having the ball in your hand. Luka has the ball in his hand for so much of the shot clock. That's not something Klay does. However, Dame's role in POR is to have the ball in his hand. There's nothing to point to that says Dame would be okay with switching to coming off the ball, pretty much all the time.

I actually think it's likely Dame would want to come to Dallas. My question is, Can Luka adapt to having another primary ballhandler on the roster?

Luka played off ball when he was still playing in Real Madrid and Slovenia. Goran Dragic handled the PG duties for Slovenia and they won the Euro basket. He was the MVP in Euroleague even though he wasn't the ball dominant.

He worked well with Brunson.

If there's anything, he would probably adapt. BUT I doubt Dame will be coming over. Dallas has NO assets.

Agreed with the no assets part. But Mchale did Boston a solid by sending Garnett for Al Jefferson, Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green and like two 1st round picks.

All Im saying is relationship matters and gives you an edge. If Dame really wants out, Dallas better give them KP and like 5 first rounders

[Mike lorenzo]

What about an ST for DDR ..
Powell / Green to Demar ...
Spurs gets assets, for rebuilding, better than letting him walk for nothing.
Get Demar, keeping the space, to address needs in FA .. 84x3 .. ??
I don't see who can pay you more .. Buy some good 2 to Thunder ..

Trade2
Dallas 24/2 Round + Cash to Thunder ..
# 36 to Mavs

Trade 3
# 30 Favors a Mavs
# 36 to Jazz

Trade 4 ..
Brunson / JRich for Smart

FA..
Bring back Tim ... bird rights
Dragic MLE
Gasol M
inimum DSJ

DRAFT
# 30 Greg Brown or Murphy III

Luka / Dragic / DSJ
Smart / Terry / Hilton
DDR / THJ / Draft
DFS / Maxi / Bey
KP / Favors / Gasol

[JD45]

What about an ST for DDR ..
Powell / Green to Demar ...
Spurs gets assets, for rebuilding, better than letting him walk for nothing.
Get Demar, keeping the space, to address needs in FA .. 84x3 .. ??
I don't see who can pay you more .. Buy some good 2 to Thunder ..

Trade2
Dallas 24/2 Round + Cash to Thunder ..
# 36 to Mavs

Trade 3
# 30 Favors a Mavs
# 36 to Jazz

Trade 4 ..
Brunson / JRich for Smart

FA..
Bring back Tim ... bird rights
Dragic MLE
Gasol M
inimum DSJ

DRAFT
# 30 Greg Brown or Murphy III

Luka / Dragic / DSJ
Smart / Terry / Hilton
DDR / THJ / Draft
DFS / Maxi / Bey
KP / Favors / Gasol

#1 and #3 not going to work under the cap unless the Mavs renounce THJ's bird rights.

[Apz]

Love dame as a player, but honestly, he is a bad fit with luka. Saying that "he can play sone offball", while it might be true to some extent, u limit his use. Why would a team pay dame 40m? Because he is one of the best players in the league with the ball in his hands. Not to stand in the corber to shoot 3s.

And while luka played some offball in madrid, they had obe of the best pgs ever infront of him and he was like 17. He is not the same player as 5 years ago, noone get into madrid at that age and get handed the reins, its not how it works in professional sports that that doesnt have a tanking system. You have to prove yourself first, and pretty sure luka has proven he is the main ballhandler.

I mean, like trae in atlanta would never happen. If he came to real, got handed the reins nba style and sucked as much as he did at the start of his hawks career, not only would the coach br fired after a month, they would burn both of their cars and maybe worse.

I just cant see a wotld where luka and dame can play together. But we might be able to get into the deal somehow to steal value. Its always cap issues that need to be solved and maybe mark can take advantage.

[arkuo]

Love dame as a player, but honestly, he is a bad fit with luka. Saying that "he can play sone offball", while it might be true to some extent, u limit his use. Why would a team pay dame 40m? Because he is one of the best players in the league with the ball in his hands. Not to stand in the corber to shoot 3s.

And while luka played some offball in madrid, they had obe of the best pgs ever infront of him and he was like 17. He is not the same player as 5 years ago, noone get into madrid at that age and get handed the reins, its not how it works in professional sports that that doesnt have a tanking system. You have to prove yourself first, and pretty sure luka has proven he is the main ballhandler.

I mean, like trae in atlanta would never happen. If he came to real, got handed the reins nba style and sucked as much as he did at the start of his hawks career, not only would the coach br fired after a month, they would burn both of their cars and maybe worse.

I just cant see a wotld where luka and dame can play together. But we might be able to get into the deal somehow to steal value. Its always cap issues that need to be solved and maybe mark can take advantage.

Lebron and Kyrie won a championship together that way. I see no reason for Luka and Dame not to coexist. There will be possessions when Lebron would have Kyrie handle the ball.

Look, Luka is good and all. It doesnt mean 100% of the offense has to go through him and have 4 other guys just stand outside the 3 point line. It just doesnt work that way for 48 minutes of an NBA game. He needs help. And anytime you have a chance to get All NBA talent, you take it and figure it out after.