Bosh: Nets Big 3 are better than Heat Big 3

[LOUiS-D]

Heatles had the better individual players, especially with 2 way abilitiy. Had they come to the game later they probably all would have been better shooters, and Bosh would have taken more 3s.

Scary hours has had a handful of games together. The part that seems to work the best is that individually each of them is historically elite breaking their opponent down off of the dribble or being able to get to their shot reliably. All of them can shoot the 3 ball at least in the high 30's percentage wise. When you have 3 players who can space you and break you down, pull up in the mid range or get all the way to the basket and draw fouls at a high rate... your defensive rotations and individual man defense have to be cut throat razer sharp. I haven't seen a whole lot of it with the injuries, but what I have seen is beautiful.

The dribble brothers, only one ball jokes fell flat. What I saw was 3 hall of famers getting to pick their spots and Harden taking pride in setting the table for others.

[theFireBlanket]

Bucks big 3 will take them down again, when they're healthy next year. Maybe Bosh can privately start wondering about Milwaukee instead cause I doubt it gets
much daylight if he did publicly.

[TheWhiteMamba]

2009-10 RS MVP RACE: LBJ 1st, Wade 5th, Bosh 12th. At the time, LBJ and Wade were consensus Top5, and Bosh top15.

NETS: KD had the Achille's, but he and Harden were consensus top 5 (at least Regular Season Harden). Kyrie maybe on par with Bosh... I think Kyrie is more flashy and vastly better in clutchness and charisma, but Bosh was definitely more complete.

The huge difference between Heat and Nets are the supporting cast. The first year, Miami had no bench. This years Nets had plenty of good players, unfortunately for them, they lost Kyrie and Harden was a zombie on the floor...

Heat's big 3 was better, imho, because all 3 were great or at least very good on defense.
On Offense, Nets are clearly better at shooting, but overall I can't take them over the Heatles.

[Zvaart]

2021 Lebron > 2021 Durant

lol, you are delusional if you think that

[Duffman100]

I'd take the Heat 3. Nets 3 haven't done anything together yet...

But I think Bosh is obviously the lower of the 3... but perhaps could be the best glue guy for chemistry. Willing to defer, good defender, etc

[dautjazz]

2021 Lebron > 2021 Durant

lol, you are delusional if you think that

I'm pretty sure he meant 2011 Lebron, pointless to compete 2021 Lebron when it's not the version of Lebron that played in Miami.

[trickshot]

Durant, Kyrie and Harden are all better than Wade and Bosh so even if you say Lebron was the best you still have the Nets Big 3 as the next 3 best and most talented. So your real question is Prime Lebron that much better than an older torn ACL Durant. Not sure that’s a far comparasion but it’s closer than people think.

Don't think so, if it was close we'd be debating current KD as a GOAT contender. Not even ESPN would run that headline.

I actually prefer the Nets big 3 btw. In terms of skillset 1 floor raiser+ 2 ceiling raisers over the redundancy of 2 floor raisers like the Heat, but also because Wade entered a sharp decline after 11. Maybe there's a reality where Wade stays healthy and their redundancies don't matter but we'll never know.

edit 2018 Lebron would probably fit seamlessly with Wade though so I'd admit this floor raiser/ceiling raiser nonsense is also lazy basketball math. Personally only use it as a convenient but loose way to make a comparison.

[cupcakesnake]

At the times of their formation, I'd say the star configurations were similar.

1. Kyrie and Bosh were both top 15-20 players. Bosh was the best player on a miserable team (his co-stars were guys like Bargnani, Calderon, Anthony Parker, and Turkoglu the year he fell off.) Kyrie had been the second-best player on a finals/championship team, but had struggled as the brightest star in Boston.
2. Wade and Harden were both clear top 5 players. Wade I'd say was rated slightly higher. He was already a champion in 2006 and in 2010 was coming off his best statistical season. He finished 3rd in MVP voting that year. There's a bit of an East/West bias here, as Harden's playoff choking came in the West and it's not hard to see him making the finals (or only losing to Lebron) over the past 5 years. I think these players are fairly analogous in terms of league perception at the time. Wade vs. Harden is always a fun debate.
3. Lebron and Durant were both in the argument for best player in the league. Bron was more unanimously considered the best player in the league. He'd won b2b MVP awards and was just entering his prime at the tender age of 25. Durant was 32 and coming off an Achilles injury. His case for league's best player isn't ironclad but it's still strong.

Talent-wise, I would give the Heat a small edge. I think the bigger difference is in fit:

The Heat really struggled to find their identity. The team could not/would not figure out how to incorporate Bosh into a Lebron-ccentric offense, so they politely asked him to get out of the way. Offensively, Wade and Lebron were too similar as poor shooters who needed the offense built around their dribble-drive attacks. While this team found a good fit on defense (Bosh trapping/switching on the perimeter while Lebron and Wade swooped in for rim protection), even at their peak, this offense was less than the sum of its parts. Spolestra did some clever things to make the Heat offense hum (loved Lebron's quick seal post ups), but when you have the 2 best players in the league and another top 20 guy, you're sort of expected to be the #1 offense.

The Nets are the opposite. There's not going to be "fit" on defense. They'll just try their best and we can hope the FO adds the right defensive pieces for next years run (but the fit wont come from Harden and Kyrie). But on offense, these 3 guys are all absolutely epic shooters, which gives them a huge advantage on the Heatles. Shooting is the easiest way to grease the wheels on offense. Durant is the easiest guy to play with on the planet, and Kyrie and Harden seemed to find a way to share the backcourt pretty nicely (with Kyrie being a pure attacker and Harden being the teams facilitator). A healthy Nets would be the best offensive team in the league every year.

Had the Heat had more shooting from it's stars, or figured out how to use Bosh in the offense (how hard is it to incorporate a big who can shoot, slash, and finish?) I'd say the Heat. But the fit advantage is much smoother on the Nets.

[The_Hater]

Offensively I would agree, but James, Wade and Bosh were all plus defenders.

[Joshuan3]

Defense?

[The_Hater]

At the times of their formation, I'd say the star configurations were similar.

1. Kyrie and Bosh were both top 15-20 players. Bosh was the best player on a miserable team (his co-stars were guys like Bargnani, Calderon, Anthony Parker, and Turkoglu the year he fell off.) Kyrie had been the second-best player on a finals/championship team, but had struggled as the brightest star in Boston.
2. Wade and Harden were both clear top 5 players. Wade I'd say was rated slightly higher. He was already a champion in 2006 and in 2010 was coming off his best statistical season. He finished 3rd in MVP voting that year. There's a bit of an East/West bias here, as Harden's playoff choking came in the West and it's not hard to see him making the finals (or only losing to Lebron) over the past 5 years. I think these players are fairly analogous in terms of league perception at the time. Wade vs. Harden is always a fun debate.
3. Lebron and Durant were both in the argument for best player in the league. Bron was more unanimously considered the best player in the league. He'd won b2b MVP awards and was just entering his prime at the tender age of 25. Durant was 32 and coming off an Achilles injury. His case for league's best player isn't ironclad but it's still strong.

Talent-wise, I would give the Heat a small edge. I think the bigger difference is in fit:

The Heat really struggled to find their identity. The team could not/would not figure out how to incorporate Bosh into a Lebron-ccentric offense, so they politely asked him to get out of the way. Offensively, Wade and Lebron were too similar as poor shooters who needed the offense built around their dribble-drive attacks. While this team found a good fit on defense (Bosh trapping/switching on the perimeter while Lebron and Wade swooped in for rim protection), even at their peak, this offense was less than the sum of its parts. Spolestra did some clever things to make the Heat offense hum (loved Lebron's quick seal post ups), but when you have the 2 best players in the league and another top 20 guy, you're sort of expected to be the #1 offense.

The Nets are the opposite. There's not going to be "fit" on defense. They'll just try their best and we can hope the FO adds the right defensive pieces for next years run (but the fit wont come from Harden and Kyrie). But on offense, these 3 guys are all absolutely epic shooters, which gives them a huge advantage on the Heatles. Shooting is the easiest way to grease the wheels on offense. Durant is the easiest guy to play with on the planet, and Kyrie and Harden seemed to find a way to share the backcourt pretty nicely (with Kyrie being a pure attacker and Harden being the teams facilitator). A healthy Nets would be the best offensive team in the league every year.

Had the Heat had more shooting from it's stars, or figured out how to use Bosh in the offense (how hard is it to incorporate a big who can shoot, slash, and finish?) I'd say the Heat. But the fit advantage is much smoother on the Nets.

The only thing I disagree with was Wade being rated higher than Bron in 2010. Wade just had 2 seasons of 40-something wins with the Heat and had won just 1 playoff game in 2 years. Bron just won 66 and 61 games with Mo Williams as the 2nd best player, had an MVP trophy and also has an incredible game 7 performance to knock off the Pistons on his resume. He was 1st team all-league and 1st team all-defense the previous season. Wade was top 5 but Bron was the better player at that point in time. He was the best player in the league.

[Shootit]

Chris Bosh, a two-time NBA Champion and former member of the Miami Heat Big Three in 2011-14, openly admitted that the Brooklyn Nets’ Big Three would beat his Heat Big Three if every player was in their prime. He made this statement when appearing on Fubo Sports Network on Tuesday.

“I’m gonna give the nod to them,” said Bosh. “I could score pretty good, and I’ll go out there and compete, but you know, they can do things I’ve never seen — In a 3-on-3 game, it’s just about what could happen. These guys could just make all jumpers. … I mean all three of them have that ability to be like that’s not fair.”


So, 3 v 3 and each guy in their prime.

While he is right the Nets 3 are better shooters and it's not even close, but having a healthy and prime Wade and his defense would definitely give Harden/Irving fits. Add in a younger LeBron vs KD I guess would be a great matchup.

Size difference for Bosh vs anyone not names KD but that would be a huge exploit to have Bosh vs Durant.

On a 3 v3 with more space I would say the Nets could be deadly shooters but at the same time the Heat could drive to the basket at will with a prime Wade/LBJ.

[cupcakesnake]

At the times of their formation, I'd say the star configurations were similar.

1. Kyrie and Bosh were both top 15-20 players. Bosh was the best player on a miserable team (his co-stars were guys like Bargnani, Calderon, Anthony Parker, and Turkoglu the year he fell off.) Kyrie had been the second-best player on a finals/championship team, but had struggled as the brightest star in Boston.
2. Wade and Harden were both clear top 5 players. Wade I'd say was rated slightly higher. He was already a champion in 2006 and in 2010 was coming off his best statistical season. He finished 3rd in MVP voting that year. There's a bit of an East/West bias here, as Harden's playoff choking came in the West and it's not hard to see him making the finals (or only losing to Lebron) over the past 5 years. I think these players are fairly analogous in terms of league perception at the time. Wade vs. Harden is always a fun debate.
3. Lebron and Durant were both in the argument for best player in the league. Bron was more unanimously considered the best player in the league. He'd won b2b MVP awards and was just entering his prime at the tender age of 25. Durant was 32 and coming off an Achilles injury. His case for league's best player isn't ironclad but it's still strong.

Talent-wise, I would give the Heat a small edge. I think the bigger difference is in fit:

The Heat really struggled to find their identity. The team could not/would not figure out how to incorporate Bosh into a Lebron-ccentric offense, so they politely asked him to get out of the way. Offensively, Wade and Lebron were too similar as poor shooters who needed the offense built around their dribble-drive attacks. While this team found a good fit on defense (Bosh trapping/switching on the perimeter while Lebron and Wade swooped in for rim protection), even at their peak, this offense was less than the sum of its parts. Spolestra did some clever things to make the Heat offense hum (loved Lebron's quick seal post ups), but when you have the 2 best players in the league and another top 20 guy, you're sort of expected to be the #1 offense.

The Nets are the opposite. There's not going to be "fit" on defense. They'll just try their best and we can hope the FO adds the right defensive pieces for next years run (but the fit wont come from Harden and Kyrie). But on offense, these 3 guys are all absolutely epic shooters, which gives them a huge advantage on the Heatles. Shooting is the easiest way to grease the wheels on offense. Durant is the easiest guy to play with on the planet, and Kyrie and Harden seemed to find a way to share the backcourt pretty nicely (with Kyrie being a pure attacker and Harden being the teams facilitator). A healthy Nets would be the best offensive team in the league every year.

Had the Heat had more shooting from it's stars, or figured out how to use Bosh in the offense (how hard is it to incorporate a big who can shoot, slash, and finish?) I'd say the Heat. But the fit advantage is much smoother on the Nets.

The only thing I disagree with was Wade being rated higher than Bron in 2010. Wade just had 2 seasons of 40-something wins with the Heat and had won just 1 playoff game in 2 years. Bron just won 66 and 61 games with Mo Williams as the 2nd best player, had an MVP trophy and also has an incredible game 7 performance to knock off the Pistons on his resume. He was 1st team all-league and 1st team all-defense the previous season. Wade was top 5 but was the better player at that point in time. He was the best player in the league.

I wasn't comparing them to each other. I'm unclear on your point, that Wade was better than Lebron at that point?

I don't specifically have a problem with that (I honestly think Tim Duncan was still the best player in the league at that point haha). I rarely talk about actual basketball impact on the General Board, I more so try to relate to fan/media perception at the time. I'll point out: here is who most people thought of as better at the time, rather than making my personal case for who was the best.

[The_Hater]

At the times of their formation, I'd say the star configurations were similar.

1. Kyrie and Bosh were both top 15-20 players. Bosh was the best player on a miserable team (his co-stars were guys like Bargnani, Calderon, Anthony Parker, and Turkoglu the year he fell off.) Kyrie had been the second-best player on a finals/championship team, but had struggled as the brightest star in Boston.
2. Wade and Harden were both clear top 5 players. Wade I'd say was rated slightly higher. He was already a champion in 2006 and in 2010 was coming off his best statistical season. He finished 3rd in MVP voting that year. There's a bit of an East/West bias here, as Harden's playoff choking came in the West and it's not hard to see him making the finals (or only losing to Lebron) over the past 5 years. I think these players are fairly analogous in terms of league perception at the time. Wade vs. Harden is always a fun debate.
3. Lebron and Durant were both in the argument for best player in the league. Bron was more unanimously considered the best player in the league. He'd won b2b MVP awards and was just entering his prime at the tender age of 25. Durant was 32 and coming off an Achilles injury. His case for league's best player isn't ironclad but it's still strong.

Talent-wise, I would give the Heat a small edge. I think the bigger difference is in fit:

The Heat really struggled to find their identity. The team could not/would not figure out how to incorporate Bosh into a Lebron-ccentric offense, so they politely asked him to get out of the way. Offensively, Wade and Lebron were too similar as poor shooters who needed the offense built around their dribble-drive attacks. While this team found a good fit on defense (Bosh trapping/switching on the perimeter while Lebron and Wade swooped in for rim protection), even at their peak, this offense was less than the sum of its parts. Spolestra did some clever things to make the Heat offense hum (loved Lebron's quick seal post ups), but when you have the 2 best players in the league and another top 20 guy, you're sort of expected to be the #1 offense.

The Nets are the opposite. There's not going to be "fit" on defense. They'll just try their best and we can hope the FO adds the right defensive pieces for next years run (but the fit wont come from Harden and Kyrie). But on offense, these 3 guys are all absolutely epic shooters, which gives them a huge advantage on the Heatles. Shooting is the easiest way to grease the wheels on offense. Durant is the easiest guy to play with on the planet, and Kyrie and Harden seemed to find a way to share the backcourt pretty nicely (with Kyrie being a pure attacker and Harden being the teams facilitator). A healthy Nets would be the best offensive team in the league every year.

Had the Heat had more shooting from it's stars, or figured out how to use Bosh in the offense (how hard is it to incorporate a big who can shoot, slash, and finish?) I'd say the Heat. But the fit advantage is much smoother on the Nets.

The only thing I disagree with was Wade being rated higher than Bron in 2010. Wade just had 2 seasons of 40-something wins with the Heat and had won just 1 playoff game in 2 years. Bron just won 66 and 61 games with Mo Williams as the 2nd best player, had an MVP trophy and also has an incredible game 7 performance to knock off the Pistons on his resume. He was 1st team all-league and 1st team all-defense the previous season. Wade was top 5 but was the better player at that point in time. He was the best player in the league.

I wasn't comparing them to each other. I'm unclear on your point, that Wade was better than Lebron at that point?

I don't specifically have a problem with that (I honestly think Tim Duncan was still the best player in the league at that point haha). I rarely talk about actual basketball impact on the General Board, I more so try to relate to fan/media perception at the time. I'll point out: here is who most people thought of as better at the time, rather than making my personal case for who was the best.

I edited the last 2 sentences of my post. I missed a key part.

I had Bron ahead of Duncan, Kobe, Wade and CP3 at that point in time. Not sure who I might have missed?

[Tor_Raps]

2021 Lebron > 2021 Durant

lol, you are delusional if you think that

I'm pretty sure he meant 2011 Lebron, pointless to compete 2021 Lebron when it's not the version of Lebron that played in Miami.

My bad, I meant 2011 for sure.

[Galloisdaman]

Bosh should know and I agree with him. The difference is shooting. They Nets have 3 guys that are all great outside shooters. They are better overall. They can all shoot the 3 near 38%. They can all score inside. They can all hit their free throws at a 85% plus clip. They can all average 20 plus while playing together.

[RoyceDa59]

Nets big 3 fit better together. The reason that Heat team didn’t win 4 times in a row was because they didn’t have elite chemistry.

[timO]

2011 Lebron > 2021 Durant
2011 Wade >= 2021 Harden
2011 Bosh >= 2021 Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually played more than 7 games together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

2011 lebron was trash

[Liam_Gallagher]

When you look at both big 3's in a vacuum you could say Brooklyn is better.

But Heatles had a prime LeBron. That automatically puts them over the top.

[Tor_Raps]

2011 Lebron > 2021 Durant
2011 Wade >= 2021 Harden
2011 Bosh >= 2021 Irving

Before anyone says anything, don't post Wade's numbers while playing with Lebron to tell me he was washed. That is the sacrifice required to win. It would be the same if Harden/Durant/Kyrie actually played more than 7 games together. It wouldn't mean Harden is washed but the opportunity to post absurd numbers is a lot less and requires a different skill set.

Bosh was the better fit as a big man who can compliment the other 2 stars better than Kyrie can as the 3rd star scoring guard.

2011 lebron was trash

2011 Lebron was AMAZING who happened to choke in the finals. I love to pile on Lebron for his 2011 shortcomings but the term trash is a bit much lol.