2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

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Ayo Dosunmu’s volume of shots around the basket is impressive

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Tre Mann impressive at 53%

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I have Tre Mann now over Bouknight.

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Mann vs McBride -

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=19
Solid screen on McBride gives Mann daylight to throw a nice oop
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=119
McBride cooks Omar Payne (haven’t seen Mann on McBride yet)
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=153
Just an absurdly good effort play by McBride to get the O-Reb on a missed 3
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=213
McBride drains post up jumper on Mann. Wish he would have taken him to the hole; can’t complain about the result though
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=238
Great help recognition on defense by McBride; big man still gets the bucket
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=314
McBride gets Mann a second time but uses screen to be put on another dude and takes an ill-advised, contested midrange pull-up jumper.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=343
McBride gets a postup opp on inbounds against 6’10 Colin Castleton; hits the fadeaway jumper again in the post.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=355
McBride undresses Mann on this play: Denies him the screen opp, then leads Mann into an out of control drive resulting in a charge. (they subsequently sub Mann out)
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=482
Check out the awareness on the McBride box out. He eventually gets pushed out of the way (prob foul) and has an unlucky bounce, but this is a common theme with him. He’s very intelligent on the court and puts in massive effort
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=505
Bad shot by McBride with 10+ secs on the shotclock. Gets his own rebound, but sometimes he takes these shots because he’s an elite shooter and no one else on this team can score. Would love to see more attempts at drawing contact, especially from someone with a near 6’10 W/S

(Mann back in)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=647
Might have panicked a little since there was still time on the clock, but I don’t hate how well McBride creates space here on the miss. Mann gets rebound
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=731
McBride recognizes his cut caused the double team and makes a back door cut to give Culver some relief, thus getting him in a somewhat ominous position under the basket for someone who is 6’2, but he draws the foul and gets to the line. (2/2 FT)


https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=789
McBride, who hasn’t sat yet, picks Mann up full court and harasses him. Mann eventually gets a nice hesi, which Miles doesn’t bite on, and a drive with an excellent backdoor cut pass which isn’t converted.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=833
After a comedy of errors from the other 4 WVU players on offense, UF gets a fast break where Mann fills a gap, gets to an open spot on the corner, but misses the three. Once again, McBride is boxing the **** out of a random big man on the shot. UF gets O-rebound because Culver was lazy.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=893
McBride gets cake assist on a very long (by college standards) three.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=911
Mann cooks #0 with a cross over but misses the three.

(Mann back out of the game)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1023
McBride throws a nice, but risky, transition pass that gets Culver an and-1
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1077
Twice great help defensive plays by McBride on the switches. Sound defensive possession for WVU

(McBride out of the game but comes back in like 3 minutes later)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1434
Another great tough pass by McBride on the inbounds play to Culver for a bucket.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1449
McBride gets called for a ticky tack foul on Appleby. Probably could have been a no-call there.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1633
Another great pass off a PnR that results in a Culver trip to the line.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1995
Poor guy can’t even make a move on McBride without getting stripped
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2334
Yeesh, again McBride is pressuring this dude and drawing a backcourt violation
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2493
LOL, ref bails #0 out after a clean strip by McBride. Can’t win them all I suppose.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2563
McBride has a good look but passes to a wide open guy for 3.

(End of half) Mann: 0 points, based off infographic. I don't remember McBride's point total.

I recognize this sounds like I’m kissing McBride’s ass and being critical of Mann, but watch the half for yourself. McBride plays near perfect on defense and has a somewhat cold shooting half. He doesn’t have flashy passes and I’d love to see him get to the rim more, but his floor is an elite roleplayer, no question. I’ve seen the Marcus Smart comparisons and they do have a similar look to them (literally, the hair and some facial features), but I don’t think they are really all the same aside from elite defense. Smart was a force in college at the rim, but could not shoot at all. McBride is an elite shooter with a form that could have unlimited range, but isn’t as aggressive to the rim as Smart. I wish I had access to the defensive matchup stats like NBA.com has because I’d love to see how UF players shot with McBride on them. I think maybe one guy scored 2 points on him all half. I might do this for the second half if I have time, but it was a fun watch despite both guys not really scoring much.

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Spoiler:

Mann vs McBride -

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=19
Solid screen on McBride gives Mann daylight to throw a nice oop
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=119
McBride cooks Omar Payne (haven’t seen Mann on McBride yet)
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=153
Just an absurdly good effort play by McBride to get the O-Reb on a missed 3
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=213
McBride drains post up jumper on Mann. Wish he would have taken him to the hole; can’t complain about the result though
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=238
Great help recognition on defense by McBride; big man still gets the bucket
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=314
McBride gets Mann a second time but uses screen to be put on another dude and takes an ill-advised, contested midrange pull-up jumper.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=343
McBride gets a postup opp on inbounds against 6’10 Colin Castleton; hits the fadeaway jumper again in the post.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=355
McBride undresses Mann on this play: Denies him the screen opp, then leads Mann into an out of control drive resulting in a charge. (they subsequently sub Mann out)
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=482
Check out the awareness on the McBride box out. He eventually gets pushed out of the way (prob foul) and has an unlucky bounce, but this is a common theme with him. He’s very intelligent on the court and puts in massive effort
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=505
Bad shot by McBride with 10+ secs on the shotclock. Gets his own rebound, but sometimes he takes these shots because he’s an elite shooter and no one else on this team can score. Would love to see more attempts at drawing contact, especially from someone with a near 6’10 W/S

(Mann back in)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=647
Might have panicked a little since there was still time on the clock, but I don’t hate how well McBride creates space here on the miss. Mann gets rebound
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=731
McBride recognizes his cut caused the double team and makes a back door cut to give Culver some relief, thus getting him in a somewhat ominous position under the basket for someone who is 6’2, but he draws the foul and gets to the line. (2/2 FT)


https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=789
McBride, who hasn’t sat yet, picks Mann up full court and harasses him. Mann eventually gets a nice hesi, which Miles doesn’t bite on, and a drive with an excellent backdoor cut pass which isn’t converted.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=833
After a comedy of errors from the other 4 WVU players on offense, UF gets a fast break where Mann fills a gap, gets to an open spot on the corner, but misses the three. Once again, McBride is boxing the **** out of a random big man on the shot. UF gets O-rebound because Culver was lazy.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=893
McBride gets cake assist on a very long (by college standards) three.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=911
Mann cooks #0 with a cross over but misses the three.

(Mann back out of the game)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1023
McBride throws a nice, but risky, transition pass that gets Culver an and-1
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1077
Twice great help defensive plays by McBride on the switches. Sound defensive possession for WVU

(McBride out of the game but comes back in like 3 minutes later)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1434
Another great tough pass by McBride on the inbounds play to Culver for a bucket.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1449
McBride gets called for a ticky tack foul on Appleby. Probably could have been a no-call there.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1633
Another great pass off a PnR that results in a Culver trip to the line.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1995
Poor guy can’t even make a move on McBride without getting stripped
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2334
Yeesh, again McBride is pressuring this dude and drawing a backcourt violation
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2493
LOL, ref bails #0 out after a clean strip by McBride. Can’t win them all I suppose.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2563
McBride has a good look but passes to a wide open guy for 3.

(End of half) Mann: 0 points, based off infographic. I don't remember McBride's point total.

I recognize this sounds like I’m kissing McBride’s ass and being critical of Mann, but watch the half for yourself. McBride plays near perfect on defense and has a somewhat cold shooting half. He doesn’t have flashy passes and I’d love to see him get to the rim more, but his floor is an elite roleplayer, no question. I’ve seen the Marcus Smart comparisons and they do have a similar look to them (literally, the hair and some facial features), but I don’t think they are really all the same aside from elite defense. Smart was a force in college at the rim, but could not shoot at all. McBride is an elite shooter with a form that could have unlimited range, but isn’t as aggressive to the rim as Smart. I wish I had access to the defensive matchup stats like NBA.com has because I’d love to see how UF players shot with McBride on them. I think maybe one guy scored 2 points on him all half. I might do this for the second half if I have time, but it was a fun watch despite both guys not really scoring much.

Great job Negrodamus!

Maybe McBride wins that match-up. But I still prefer Mann.

[Negrodamus]

Spoiler:

Mann vs McBride -

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=19
Solid screen on McBride gives Mann daylight to throw a nice oop
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=119
McBride cooks Omar Payne (haven’t seen Mann on McBride yet)
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=153
Just an absurdly good effort play by McBride to get the O-Reb on a missed 3
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=213
McBride drains post up jumper on Mann. Wish he would have taken him to the hole; can’t complain about the result though
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=238
Great help recognition on defense by McBride; big man still gets the bucket
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=314
McBride gets Mann a second time but uses screen to be put on another dude and takes an ill-advised, contested midrange pull-up jumper.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=343
McBride gets a postup opp on inbounds against 6’10 Colin Castleton; hits the fadeaway jumper again in the post.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=355
McBride undresses Mann on this play: Denies him the screen opp, then leads Mann into an out of control drive resulting in a charge. (they subsequently sub Mann out)
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=482
Check out the awareness on the McBride box out. He eventually gets pushed out of the way (prob foul) and has an unlucky bounce, but this is a common theme with him. He’s very intelligent on the court and puts in massive effort
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=505
Bad shot by McBride with 10+ secs on the shotclock. Gets his own rebound, but sometimes he takes these shots because he’s an elite shooter and no one else on this team can score. Would love to see more attempts at drawing contact, especially from someone with a near 6’10 W/S

(Mann back in)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=647
Might have panicked a little since there was still time on the clock, but I don’t hate how well McBride creates space here on the miss. Mann gets rebound
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=731
McBride recognizes his cut caused the double team and makes a back door cut to give Culver some relief, thus getting him in a somewhat ominous position under the basket for someone who is 6’2, but he draws the foul and gets to the line. (2/2 FT)


https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=789
McBride, who hasn’t sat yet, picks Mann up full court and harasses him. Mann eventually gets a nice hesi, which Miles doesn’t bite on, and a drive with an excellent backdoor cut pass which isn’t converted.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=833
After a comedy of errors from the other 4 WVU players on offense, UF gets a fast break where Mann fills a gap, gets to an open spot on the corner, but misses the three. Once again, McBride is boxing the **** out of a random big man on the shot. UF gets O-rebound because Culver was lazy.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=893
McBride gets cake assist on a very long (by college standards) three.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=911
Mann cooks #0 with a cross over but misses the three.

(Mann back out of the game)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1023
McBride throws a nice, but risky, transition pass that gets Culver an and-1
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1077
Twice great help defensive plays by McBride on the switches. Sound defensive possession for WVU

(McBride out of the game but comes back in like 3 minutes later)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1434
Another great tough pass by McBride on the inbounds play to Culver for a bucket.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1449
McBride gets called for a ticky tack foul on Appleby. Probably could have been a no-call there.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1633
Another great pass off a PnR that results in a Culver trip to the line.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1995
Poor guy can’t even make a move on McBride without getting stripped
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2334
Yeesh, again McBride is pressuring this dude and drawing a backcourt violation
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2493
LOL, ref bails #0 out after a clean strip by McBride. Can’t win them all I suppose.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2563
McBride has a good look but passes to a wide open guy for 3.

(End of half) Mann: 0 points, based off infographic. I don't remember McBride's point total.

I recognize this sounds like I’m kissing McBride’s ass and being critical of Mann, but watch the half for yourself. McBride plays near perfect on defense and has a somewhat cold shooting half. He doesn’t have flashy passes and I’d love to see him get to the rim more, but his floor is an elite roleplayer, no question. I’ve seen the Marcus Smart comparisons and they do have a similar look to them (literally, the hair and some facial features), but I don’t think they are really all the same aside from elite defense. Smart was a force in college at the rim, but could not shoot at all. McBride is an elite shooter with a form that could have unlimited range, but isn’t as aggressive to the rim as Smart. I wish I had access to the defensive matchup stats like NBA.com has because I’d love to see how UF players shot with McBride on them. I think maybe one guy scored 2 points on him all half. I might do this for the second half if I have time, but it was a fun watch despite both guys not really scoring much.

Great job Negrodamus!

But still I prefer Mann.

Apparently not good enough. I'm here to make you hate Mann.

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Spoiler:

Mann vs McBride -

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=19
Solid screen on McBride gives Mann daylight to throw a nice oop
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=119
McBride cooks Omar Payne (haven’t seen Mann on McBride yet)
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=153
Just an absurdly good effort play by McBride to get the O-Reb on a missed 3
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=213
McBride drains post up jumper on Mann. Wish he would have taken him to the hole; can’t complain about the result though
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=238
Great help recognition on defense by McBride; big man still gets the bucket
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=314
McBride gets Mann a second time but uses screen to be put on another dude and takes an ill-advised, contested midrange pull-up jumper.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=343
McBride gets a postup opp on inbounds against 6’10 Colin Castleton; hits the fadeaway jumper again in the post.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=355
McBride undresses Mann on this play: Denies him the screen opp, then leads Mann into an out of control drive resulting in a charge. (they subsequently sub Mann out)
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=482
Check out the awareness on the McBride box out. He eventually gets pushed out of the way (prob foul) and has an unlucky bounce, but this is a common theme with him. He’s very intelligent on the court and puts in massive effort
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=505
Bad shot by McBride with 10+ secs on the shotclock. Gets his own rebound, but sometimes he takes these shots because he’s an elite shooter and no one else on this team can score. Would love to see more attempts at drawing contact, especially from someone with a near 6’10 W/S

(Mann back in)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=647
Might have panicked a little since there was still time on the clock, but I don’t hate how well McBride creates space here on the miss. Mann gets rebound
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=731
McBride recognizes his cut caused the double team and makes a back door cut to give Culver some relief, thus getting him in a somewhat ominous position under the basket for someone who is 6’2, but he draws the foul and gets to the line. (2/2 FT)


https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=789
McBride, who hasn’t sat yet, picks Mann up full court and harasses him. Mann eventually gets a nice hesi, which Miles doesn’t bite on, and a drive with an excellent backdoor cut pass which isn’t converted.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=833
After a comedy of errors from the other 4 WVU players on offense, UF gets a fast break where Mann fills a gap, gets to an open spot on the corner, but misses the three. Once again, McBride is boxing the **** out of a random big man on the shot. UF gets O-rebound because Culver was lazy.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=893
McBride gets cake assist on a very long (by college standards) three.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=911
Mann cooks #0 with a cross over but misses the three.

(Mann back out of the game)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1023
McBride throws a nice, but risky, transition pass that gets Culver an and-1
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1077
Twice great help defensive plays by McBride on the switches. Sound defensive possession for WVU

(McBride out of the game but comes back in like 3 minutes later)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1434
Another great tough pass by McBride on the inbounds play to Culver for a bucket.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1449
McBride gets called for a ticky tack foul on Appleby. Probably could have been a no-call there.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1633
Another great pass off a PnR that results in a Culver trip to the line.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1995
Poor guy can’t even make a move on McBride without getting stripped
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2334
Yeesh, again McBride is pressuring this dude and drawing a backcourt violation
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2493
LOL, ref bails #0 out after a clean strip by McBride. Can’t win them all I suppose.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2563
McBride has a good look but passes to a wide open guy for 3.

(End of half) Mann: 0 points, based off infographic. I don't remember McBride's point total.

I recognize this sounds like I’m kissing McBride’s ass and being critical of Mann, but watch the half for yourself. McBride plays near perfect on defense and has a somewhat cold shooting half. He doesn’t have flashy passes and I’d love to see him get to the rim more, but his floor is an elite roleplayer, no question. I’ve seen the Marcus Smart comparisons and they do have a similar look to them (literally, the hair and some facial features), but I don’t think they are really all the same aside from elite defense. Smart was a force in college at the rim, but could not shoot at all. McBride is an elite shooter with a form that could have unlimited range, but isn’t as aggressive to the rim as Smart. I wish I had access to the defensive matchup stats like NBA.com has because I’d love to see how UF players shot with McBride on them. I think maybe one guy scored 2 points on him all half. I might do this for the second half if I have time, but it was a fun watch despite both guys not really scoring much.

Great job Negrodamus!

But still I prefer Mann.

Apparently not good enough. I'm here to make you hate Mann.

Hahaha

Its ok. You’re here to give an opinion and to learn from opinion of others, not to change people’s minds. That’s a better mindset.

I see that you’re giving a lot of value on McBride’s defense. Personally, I dont think defense has a lot of value for the G position.

While Mann is one of the best player in college basketball in pick and roll (as per points per possession) and shooting odd the dribble.

What you posted here reminds me back in the days where people were raising red flags in this board on DLo on how TJ McConnel schooled him.

[Negrodamus]

Spoiler:

Great job Negrodamus!

But still I prefer Mann.

Apparently not good enough. I'm here to make you hate Mann.

Hahaha

Its ok. You’re here to give an opinion and to learn from opinion of others, not to change people’s minds. That’s a better mindset.

I'm not actually here to make you hate Mann. I'm here to forget past bad hot takes on prospects and add more hot takes until I hit on one and ride that train for 5 years.

[Negrodamus]

Well, are the red flags for DLO valid? He hasn't made the jump to elite and we're in, what, year 5? Volume three shooter with elite vision and mediocre defense.

Additionally, if you watch the games with McBride, he's making the right play almost every time on both ends unless he's taking an ill-advised pull up jumper. Once again, I understand why he's doing that: his team is offensively deprived and lean on him for points. He has less assists and probably points due to this fact. If there was any other gravity on this offense, McBride would likely have much more efficient percentages.

I haven't made my evaluation on Mann because one half of one game where he turns into a pumpkin isn't enough, but I don't like that he avoided McBride on defense.

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I dont know man. Based on numbers, Cade is a weak #1 pick. Always had Green over Cade because the numbers dont add up.

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My friend told me Kuminga is high on WARP and may not go pass 3.

Yup, similar from my POV.

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Bouknight is Jordan Clarkson 2.0. Take that literally how you will.

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Bouknight is Jordan Clarkson 2.0. Take that literally how you will.

I think more of “jordan clarkson” type player than Jordan Clarkson 2.0

The right way to draft is to keep going after these “jordan clarkson” type players because these type of guys are overpowered in today’s game. And by doing so, you’ll get a good hit rate.

Recently, I learn that in decision making. The right mindset to decide is to take the option that would make you right on a large sample of size rather than trying to find the perfect answer. Why? Because we dont really know how things will turn out.

They say draft is a crapshoot. Yes, if you look at a single draft selection and try to project how good this guy is gonna be.

Rather make numbers work on your side. Take the option that you think will be right in a large sample size.

That is the real “trust the process” in drafting.

And thats why drafting all these bigs just because they were BPA was wrong. It is the fundamental mistake in the process. And now we’re paying for it.

The Draft is finding suckers who just blindly goes after BPA and gets premature Ejac*lation from “unique prospects” like the 6’8” PGs and not considering the overall picture.

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..this is why I dont get it why teams have Evan Mobley over Kuminga or Green or Cunningham in their mocks.

If Mobley pans out. What am i missing? The next DeAndre Ayton? The next Jaren Jackson? Im not missing much.

But Cade, Kumingham and Jalen could be the most sought after star wings in the NBA.

If I need a center, i’ll just sign Drummond for cheap. Or maybe find another Jarett Allen in the draft.

Look at the Raps, they got Boucher and he wasnt even drafted with the lottery. Why would i waste a number 2 overall pick for Mobley?

And once you select Mobley, you’re gonna suffer the same curse the Jazz had with Gobert. They’ll have no choice but to build around him and overpay him.

[Negrodamus]

What you posted here reminds me back in the days where people were raising red flags in this board on DLo on how TJ McConnel schooled him.

It actually reminds me of the Donovan Mitchell days when everyone was telling me that he's a nice 3&D player but not worthy of the 3rd overall pick.

Honestly, those two have a lot in common (low attempts at the rim, excellent defense, some point guard experience, was the teams offense essentially). The only thing stopping me from calling McBride a top 5 pick is that he's clearly not the athlete Mitchell was. But he's not far off.

Mitchell:
- Standing vert: 36.5
- Max vert: 40.5
- Three quarters sprint: 3.01
- Shuttle run : 3.07
- Lane agility: 11.53
- W/S: 6'10
- Shooting: 56% at the rim (26.6% of his shots), 35% 2pt jumpers (22% of his shots), 35.4% 3FG (50.9% of his shots), 80% FT (.243 FTr)
- 16 ppg, 3 apg, 5 rpg, 3.7 STL%, 5.7 OBPM, 5.5 OBPM, 11.1 BPM

McBride:
- Standing vert: 31.0
- Max vert: 38.5
- Three quarters sprint: 3.10
- Shuttle run : 3.13
- Lane agility: 11.08
- W/S: 6'8.75
- Shooting: 60% at the rim (20% of his shots), 37% 2pt jumpers (37% of his shots), 41% 3FG (30% of his shots), 81% FT (.338 FTr)
- 16 ppg, 5 apg, 4 rpg, 3.1 STL%, 6.5 OBPM, 3.0 DBPM, 9.5 BPM

[76ciology]

What you posted here reminds me back in the days where people were raising red flags in this board on DLo on how TJ McConnel schooled him.

It actually reminds me of the Donovan Mitchell days when everyone was telling me that he's a nice 3&D player but not worthy of the 3rd overall pick.

Honestly, those two have a lot in common (low attempts at the rim, excellent defense, some point guard experience, was the teams offense essentially). The only thing stopping me from calling McBride a top 5 pick is that he's clearly not the athlete Mitchell was. But he's not far off.

Mitchell:
- Standing vert: 36.5
- Max vert: 40.5
- Three quarters sprint: 3.01
- Shuttle run : 3.07
- Lane agility: 11.53
- W/S: 6'10
- Shooting: 56% at the rim (26.6% of his shots), 35% 2pt jumpers (22% of his shots), 35.4% 3FG (50.9% of his shots), 80% FT (.243 FTr)
- 16 ppg, 3 apg, 5 rpg, 3.7 STL%, 5.7 OBPM, 5.5 OBPM, 11.1 BPM

McBride:
- Standing vert: 31.0
- Max vert: 38.5
- Three quarters sprint: 3.10
- Shuttle run : 3.13
- Lane agility: 11.08
- W/S: 6'8.75
- Shooting: 60% at the rim (20% of his shots), 37% 2pt jumpers (37% of his shots), 41% 3FG (30% of his shots), 81% FT (.338 FTr)
- 16 ppg, 5 apg, 4 rpg, 3.1 STL%, 6.5 OBPM, 3.0 DBPM, 9.5 BPM

Actually, his numbers are good to me. Even the height to wingspan ratio reminds me of Mitchell. He’s a good player.

The issue for me is the eyetest. He’s PG skills is not as advanced as Mitchell. He runs the PG position more like Marcus Smart. There’s no shiftiness to his game and this leads him to settle a lot on jumpers.

Seems to me that a large chunk of those shots at the rim he has could be coming from lobs, shots at the post and transition rather than drives off PnR or Iso.

[Negrodamus]

What you posted here reminds me back in the days where people were raising red flags in this board on DLo on how TJ McConnel schooled him.

It actually reminds me of the Donovan Mitchell days when everyone was telling me that he's a nice 3&D player but not worthy of the 3rd overall pick.

Honestly, those two have a lot in common (low attempts at the rim, excellent defense, some point guard experience, was the teams offense essentially). The only thing stopping me from calling McBride a top 5 pick is that he's clearly not the athlete Mitchell was. But he's not far off.

Mitchell:
- Standing vert: 36.5
- Max vert: 40.5
- Three quarters sprint: 3.01
- Shuttle run : 3.07
- Lane agility: 11.53
- W/S: 6'10
- Shooting: 56% at the rim (26.6% of his shots), 35% 2pt jumpers (22% of his shots), 35.4% 3FG (50.9% of his shots), 80% FT (.243 FTr)
- 16 ppg, 3 apg, 5 rpg, 3.7 STL%, 5.7 OBPM, 5.5 OBPM, 11.1 BPM

McBride:
- Standing vert: 31.0
- Max vert: 38.5
- Three quarters sprint: 3.10
- Shuttle run : 3.13
- Lane agility: 11.08
- W/S: 6'8.75
- Shooting: 60% at the rim (20% of his shots), 37% 2pt jumpers (37% of his shots), 41% 3FG (30% of his shots), 81% FT (.338 FTr)
- 16 ppg, 5 apg, 4 rpg, 3.1 STL%, 6.5 OBPM, 3.0 DBPM, 9.5 BPM

Actually, his numbers are good to me. Even the height to wingspan ratio reminds me of Mitchell. He’s a good player.

The issue for me is the eyetest. He’s PG skills is not as advanced as Mitchell. He runs the PG position more like Marcus Smart. There’s no shiftiness to his game and this leads him to settle a lot on jumpers.

Seems to me that a large chunk of those shots at the rim he has could be coming from lobs, shots at the post and transition rather than drives off PnR or Iso.

I completely understand the eye test, and that's why I added that McBride isn't a top 5 pick because it's clear watching Mitchell that he was a blur with the ball in his hands. I will say, however, that Mitchell running the PG position is a bit of revisionist history. He was very much off ball with Quentin Snider hammering away on the ball. That can be seen in his relatively low AST%. He also had the luxury of playing with Deng Adel too, who was a threat to actually score the ball. WVU was clearly offensively deficient this year aside from McBride.

I don't see him leading a team to the top seed in the West, but I do think there is star upside and there's very obviously elite 3&D role player potential (similar to what people said about Mitchell). This is an obvious choice at 28, but once again, I'm not expecting him to be there when we pick.

[stormi]

Mann vs McBride -

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=19
Solid screen on McBride gives Mann daylight to throw a nice oop
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=119
McBride cooks Omar Payne (haven’t seen Mann on McBride yet)
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=153
Just an absurdly good effort play by McBride to get the O-Reb on a missed 3
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=213
McBride drains post up jumper on Mann. Wish he would have taken him to the hole; can’t complain about the result though
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=238
Great help recognition on defense by McBride; big man still gets the bucket
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=314
McBride gets Mann a second time but uses screen to be put on another dude and takes an ill-advised, contested midrange pull-up jumper.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=343
McBride gets a postup opp on inbounds against 6’10 Colin Castleton; hits the fadeaway jumper again in the post.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=355
McBride undresses Mann on this play: Denies him the screen opp, then leads Mann into an out of control drive resulting in a charge. (they subsequently sub Mann out)
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=482
Check out the awareness on the McBride box out. He eventually gets pushed out of the way (prob foul) and has an unlucky bounce, but this is a common theme with him. He’s very intelligent on the court and puts in massive effort
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=505
Bad shot by McBride with 10+ secs on the shotclock. Gets his own rebound, but sometimes he takes these shots because he’s an elite shooter and no one else on this team can score. Would love to see more attempts at drawing contact, especially from someone with a near 6’10 W/S

(Mann back in)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=647
Might have panicked a little since there was still time on the clock, but I don’t hate how well McBride creates space here on the miss. Mann gets rebound
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=731
McBride recognizes his cut caused the double team and makes a back door cut to give Culver some relief, thus getting him in a somewhat ominous position under the basket for someone who is 6’2, but he draws the foul and gets to the line. (2/2 FT)


https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=789
McBride, who hasn’t sat yet, picks Mann up full court and harasses him. Mann eventually gets a nice hesi, which Miles doesn’t bite on, and a drive with an excellent backdoor cut pass which isn’t converted.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=833
After a comedy of errors from the other 4 WVU players on offense, UF gets a fast break where Mann fills a gap, gets to an open spot on the corner, but misses the three. Once again, McBride is boxing the **** out of a random big man on the shot. UF gets O-rebound because Culver was lazy.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=893
McBride gets cake assist on a very long (by college standards) three.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=911
Mann cooks #0 with a cross over but misses the three.

(Mann back out of the game)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1023
McBride throws a nice, but risky, transition pass that gets Culver an and-1
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1077
Twice great help defensive plays by McBride on the switches. Sound defensive possession for WVU

(McBride out of the game but comes back in like 3 minutes later)

https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1434
Another great tough pass by McBride on the inbounds play to Culver for a bucket.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1449
McBride gets called for a ticky tack foul on Appleby. Probably could have been a no-call there.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1633
Another great pass off a PnR that results in a Culver trip to the line.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=1995
Poor guy can’t even make a move on McBride without getting stripped
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2334
Yeesh, again McBride is pressuring this dude and drawing a backcourt violation
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2493
LOL, ref bails #0 out after a clean strip by McBride. Can’t win them all I suppose.
https://youtu.be/zv312ZmeUaw?t=2563
McBride has a good look but passes to a wide open guy for 3.

(End of half) Mann: 0 points, based off infographic. I don't remember McBride's point total.

I recognize this sounds like I’m kissing McBride’s ass and being critical of Mann, but watch the half for yourself. McBride plays near perfect on defense and has a somewhat cold shooting half. He doesn’t have flashy passes and I’d love to see him get to the rim more, but his floor is an elite roleplayer, no question. I’ve seen the Marcus Smart comparisons and they do have a similar look to them (literally, the hair and some facial features), but I don’t think they are really all the same aside from elite defense. Smart was a force in college at the rim, but could not shoot at all. McBride is an elite shooter with a form that could have unlimited range, but isn’t as aggressive to the rim as Smart. I wish I had access to the defensive matchup stats like NBA.com has because I’d love to see how UF players shot with McBride on them. I think maybe one guy scored 2 points on him all half. I might do this for the second half if I have time, but it was a fun watch despite both guys not really scoring much.

Going to parse through these clips after the Switzerland/France game. Thanks