Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[kuclas]

Ben can win some regular season games. That’s the problem. A tanking team really doesn’t need Ben. They don’t want to win 30-35 games. That will only put them in the 8-12th pick range.

A competing team wants Ben. But don’t want to give up their 2nd or 3rd best player.

Look at Denver and Golden state. Any player on their roster outside of Jokic, mpj and murray will get you Ben plus picks added

Any guys outside of klay and curry will get u Ben to golden state.

Chicago is willing to offer anyone outside of Levine.

But those players won’t make a difference for sixers.

That’s the issue with the Sixers. Ben is supposed to be the 2nd best player. And he’s being paid like the 2nd best player. He plays like the 2nd best player in regular season but come playoff time. He plays like the 4th or 5th best player. And teams value him as the 3rd or 4th best player for their team.

[sixers hoops]

I don’t think the Rockets wanted Simmons. It was clear they wanted picks and expirings.

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The bar for Philadelphia to acquire Harden kept increasing, and for their competition it did the reverse.

Ben eventually being put on the table was a moment in the discussion phases. But it went from Ben to Ben and Matisse to picks added to them demanding Maxey at the 11th hour. Fertitta and Houston were set on scalping Morey, they had no interest in doing a deal otherwise.

Lol. I love how everyone pulls up the one report that supports their argument. Ben Simmons was on the table and they still took the picks. They wanted picks. Don’t be so naive.

And if anybody needs them I have reports from Woj bookmarked that report the Sixers want more than Harden for Ben. I also have reports from Woj saying the Sixers have offered Ben and more for Harden.

Just from Woj tweets I have reports that can back up both sides of the argument.

And if anybody thinks Houston had real interest in Ben, but turned it down out of spite, you are clinging to a report from a particular camp. Houston wouldnt turn down a trade for Ja, Trae, Luca, Zion out of spite. Ben Simmons just didn’t have the value in comparison to the picks. If they really wanted Ben, he would be a Rocket right now. And I’m sure Houston is happy with their decision.

[eyeatoma]

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The bar for Philadelphia to acquire Harden kept increasing, and for their competition it did the reverse.

Ben eventually being put on the table was a moment in the discussion phases. But it went from Ben to Ben and Matisse to picks added to them demanding Maxey at the 11th hour. Fertitta and Houston were set on scalping Morey, they had no interest in doing a deal otherwise.

Lol. I love how everyone pulls up the one report that supports their argument. Ben Simmons was on the table and they still took the picks. They wanted picks. Don’t be so naive.

And if anybody needs them I have reports from Woj bookmarked that report the Sixers want more than Harden for Ben. I also have reports from Woj saying the Sixers have offered Ben and more for Harden.

Just from Woj tweets I have reports that can back up both sides of the argument.

And if anybody thinks Houston had real interest in Ben, but turned it down out of spite, you are clinging to a report from a particular camp. Houston wouldnt turn down a trade for Ja, Trae, Luca, Zion out of spite. Ben Simmons just didn’t have the value in comparison to the picks. If they really wanted Ben, he would be a Rocket right now. And I’m sure Houston is happy with their decision.

What's your take on Lillard?

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[phillynative]

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Lol i think ill go with legend R.I.P whos won 5 rings

[zaz102]

Ben can win some regular season games. That’s the problem. A tanking team really doesn’t need Ben. They don’t want to win 30-35 games. That will only put them in the 8-12th pick range.

A competing team wants Ben. But don’t want to give up their 2nd or 3rd best player.

Look at Denver and Golden state. Any player on their roster outside of Jokic, mpj and murray will get you Ben plus picks added

Any guys outside of klay and curry will get u Ben to golden state.

Chicago is willing to offer anyone outside of Levine.

But those players won’t make a difference for sixers.

That’s the issue with the Sixers. Ben is supposed to be the 2nd best player. And he’s being paid like the 2nd best player. He plays like the 2nd best player in regular season but come playoff time. He plays like the 4th or 5th best player. And teams value him as the 3rd or 4th best player for their team.

It'll definitely be tough to find a partner, but I think there may be packages based on 1st/2nd options out there (Sexton, McCollum, Lowry, DeRozan, Beal if he wants out). None of the options are perfect, but I think can be argued for.

[phillynative]

Sixers won 28 games in the season before Simmons
turned up

They won 10 games in the season before

He’S bArGnAnI

I think Embiid has some say here. Probably would have won more that 28 win season if he didnt go down. Embiid had the makings of a franchise player as soon as he stepped on the floor without a huge hype train behind him . Just talent, perseverance and a want to be better.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

"He's really got some sort of transformational quality about him, that put him into some pretty elite company with regard to comparisons. You talk about at the time pieces of LeBron James, pieces of Magic Johnson - these are some of the greatest players of all time. But they're big, they're strong, they've got great vision, they play with speed. I think when you look at the entire package of Ben Simmons as a player, those comparisons are warranted." - Bryan Colangelo

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Selecting Ben as number one overall is a bigger mistake than selecting Bargnani. And also worse than drafting Fultz over Tatum.

Atleast with Bargnani, BC drafted him because of the foresight with the landscape of the NBA which is trending towards a 3 heavy game. And you can see that he acknowledges that with his EOY seasons with the Suns ans Raps where he built teams that runs modern offense. Bargnani has the upside the issue with him is his work ethic. The only season where he really worked hard was when he almost made it as an allstar averaging like 20ppg (he was my fantasy player back then).

While Fultz was exactly the PG of today’s basketball. He can play multiple positions on defense that allows you to switch heavy on defense. Size advantage against most PGs. Score in 3 levels and is made to run PnR. Its just that nobody saw this “mysterious” injury happening

Who cares about size.. vision.. Boban has size and has 20-20 vision.

Thats the thing with drafting. Know when the data is noise. He got carried away with the “but he’s special” narrative.

The guy he should have selected was Ingram. Ingram has foundations to be a good shooter. Has freakish length and has also a good foundation as a ball handler. Even the Lakers played him some PG early on.

Ingram is Bargnani to what Ben is to LMA. The difference is Ingram was traded early on his career and he has this “near death” experience in his career that made him work his butt off because he is at risk of not getting paid like a #2 overall pick. Whereas Ben and Bargs, both number overall picks, got too comfortable with the status on their team that there was no urgency for them to work hard on their game.

Come on now, it was the right pick at the time. He literally regressed since then and still is very good player.

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I saw everything coming. Learned my lesson with Jah.

Started to value some skillsets than others, I had Ingram over Ben.

There was an article back then already projecting him to be Draymond 2.0, and it was controversial. Shooting with the wrong hand was also been a public info.

Drafting is like investing. You need to invest based on head wind.

Will tech be the next hot industry? If so, why continue investing in cocacola like Warren Buffet?

You need to look at the trend. This is the usual mistakes of teams. If people look at it this way, Suns and Kings would have Doncic and Trae and not Ayton and Bagley.

The draft is all about finding suckers who will overpay for some magic potion for immortality that is really the urine of a cat.

[sixers hoops]

Lol. I love how everyone pulls up the one report that supports their argument. Ben Simmons was on the table and they still took the picks. They wanted picks. Don’t be so naive.

And if anybody needs them I have reports from Woj bookmarked that report the Sixers want more than Harden for Ben. I also have reports from Woj saying the Sixers have offered Ben and more for Harden.

Just from Woj tweets I have reports that can back up both sides of the argument.

And if anybody thinks Houston had real interest in Ben, but turned it down out of spite, you are clinging to a report from a particular camp. Houston wouldnt turn down a trade for Ja, Trae, Luca, Zion out of spite. Ben Simmons just didn’t have the value in comparison to the picks. If they really wanted Ben, he would be a Rocket right now. And I’m sure Houston is happy with their decision.

What's your take on Lillard?

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I think the package of 3 firsts, 3 swaps, Ben, Maxey, And Thybulle guts out team enough that I doubt Doc can coach the Embiid, Lillard, Tobias and scraps to a title. Then we are down all of our resources to rebuild if it doesn’t work.

I think what I would offer would get best by other teams.

[SixersFanInNY]

Lol at the people who don’t want dame because of his contract….hilarious

Yeah, I really don't get it, people here acting like we will be paying Lillard max money at 37 yo or something, he will be like 34 when the contract ends.
In reality, what we need is 2 good years out of him, we need a player like him to pair with Embiid, I'm tired of organic growth and building through the draft, it is always the same, we never find this type of player and each year it's the same old story, bad offense with a really hard time to score in crunch time. If Lillard is trash at 33-34yo then so be it, Embiid will not be the same too after 3 years I think, you just wait two years and then start rebuilding. We are going nowhere right now.

There is no rebuilding for a long time with the kind of deals being proposed here. There is also not much chance at a title since Embiid+Lillard+Tobias is below the Nets big 3, and also less likely to be healthy. So the Sixers would still be going nowhere.

[Negrodamus]

It's kind of interesting that the two picks Colangelo made were both #1 and they had intense mental aversions to shooting. That alone should disqualify him from being a GM ever again.

[eyeatoma]

And if anybody needs them I have reports from Woj bookmarked that report the Sixers want more than Harden for Ben. I also have reports from Woj saying the Sixers have offered Ben and more for Harden.

Just from Woj tweets I have reports that can back up both sides of the argument.

And if anybody thinks Houston had real interest in Ben, but turned it down out of spite, you are clinging to a report from a particular camp. Houston wouldnt turn down a trade for Ja, Trae, Luca, Zion out of spite. Ben Simmons just didn’t have the value in comparison to the picks. If they really wanted Ben, he would be a Rocket right now. And I’m sure Houston is happy with their decision.

What's your take on Lillard?

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I think the package of 3 firsts, 3 swaps, Ben, Maxey, And Thybulle guts out team enough that I doubt Doc can coach the Embiid, Lillard, Tobias and scraps to a title. Then we are down all of our resources to rebuild if it doesn’t work.

I think what I would offer would get best by other teams.

To get another player that is close to his caliber would probably require about 90-90% of what you just mentioned. How are we going to be able to get a difference maker at all in that case? CJ isn't it. Has to be at the level of Shai, Lavine, Beal, Lillard.

I could see Garland/Sexton being possible, but we'd still need to make more moves. Other than that there isn't much we can do. Morey goes for the home run players, I think this really comes down to what Embiid wants. He's going to sign a supermax, he'll want to know that it's worth it to stick around. I get what you're all saying, but if you have those two players others will come as well. I also think we can pry Covington away on that Lillard deal, which would net us a starting lineup of:

Embiid
Harris
Cov
Green/Curry
Lillard

That is the best starting lineup in the league. Championship teams have been able to get players more often than not. If players will go to Milwaukee they'll come to Philly. Especially with Lillard as well.

[Slick SickSir]

What's your take on Lillard?

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I think the package of 3 firsts, 3 swaps, Ben, Maxey, And Thybulle guts out team enough that I doubt Doc can coach the Embiid, Lillard, Tobias and scraps to a title. Then we are down all of our resources to rebuild if it doesn’t work.

I think what I would offer would get best by other teams.

To get another player that is close to his caliber would probably require about 90-90% of what you just mentioned. How are we going to be able to get a difference maker at all in that case? CJ isn't it. Has to be at the level of Shai, Lavine, Beal, Lillard.

I could see Garland/Sexton being possible, but we'd still need to make more moves. Other than that there isn't much we can do. Morey goes for the home run players, I think this really comes to what Embiid wants. He's going to sign a supermax, he'll want to know that it's worth it to stick around. I get what you're all saying, but if you have those two players others will come as well. I also think we can pry Covington away on that Lillard deal, which would net us a starting lineup of:

Embiid
Harris
Cov
Green/Curry
Lillard

that is the best starting lineup in the league.

You also have shake still and re sign korkmaz and howard. Find a backup 4 and or run covington in the remaining backup 4 min. Howard is more playable now because you dont have simmons and thybulle playing with him

Embiid(32)/Howard(16)
Harris(33)/Covington(15)
Covington(17)/korkmaz(23)/Green(8)
Green(20)/curry(24)/shake(4)
Lillard(34)/shake(14)

How can anyone say that team isnt way better than this years

[Ferry Avenue]

It's hilarious that when faced with rational arguments by knowledgable professionals like Colangelo and his ex teammates in TJ and JJ, you guys have no other retort other than:

- Ben can't shoot freethrows
- Ben didn't dunk the ball once

The short sighted irrational and illogical comments you guys make just prove how little you know about basketball - or you're just so enraged at Ben that your brains are incapable of cognitive thought on the situtation. Probably both.

In the video you posted Redick states explicitly that having players who can create their own midrange shot is necessary in the playoffs.

What you're doing here is repeatedly stating Simmons's general value without appreciating how his general value doesn't translate specifically to playoff basketball.

If you had a QB in the NFL who was absolutely amazing in the regular season and was then virtually guaranteed to have a three or four interception game in the playoffs every year, what value would that QB have? That QB would have tremendous regular season value, while at the same time preventing his team from ever winning a Super Bowl.

Obviously that player needs to go if you ever want to win a championship. That's where this team is with Simmons. Great regular season value, rigid ceiling on the team's ability to win a championship.

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[eyeatoma]

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Yup, if we don't have enough assets, Morey will get creative. Might save us from having to make the cupboard bare.

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[SixthStreet]

It would definitely have to be a third team because I'm not interested in Minnesota's random collection of junk in return.

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Yup, if we don't have enough assets, Morey will get creative. Might save us from having to make the cupboard bare.

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Does anybody know if any of these sources (either Dame or Minn related) are legitimate?

[Arsenal]

Minnesota makes sense since they desperately want/need Ben Simmons in order to appease his two friends on the team, D'Lo and KAT.

I'd do something like this:

Sixers trade / Wolves receive:
PG Ben Simmons
SG Shake Milton

Wolves trade / Sixers receive
SG Anthony Edwards
PG Ricky Rubio

Then either roll with Edwards who has significant upside, or use him as a centerpiece in a trade for another star like Beal or Lillard.

[Cap Levi]

"He's really got some sort of transformational quality about him, that put him into some pretty elite company with regard to comparisons. You talk about at the time pieces of LeBron James, pieces of Magic Johnson - these are some of the greatest players of all time. But they're big, they're strong, they've got great vision, they play with speed. I think when you look at the entire package of Ben Simmons as a player, those comparisons are warranted." - Bryan Colangelo

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Selecting Ben as number one overall is a bigger mistake than selecting Bargnani. And also worse than drafting Fultz over Tatum.

Atleast with Bargnani, BC drafted him because of the foresight with the landscape of the NBA which is trending towards a 3 heavy game. And you can see that he acknowledges that with his EOY seasons with the Suns ans Raps where he built teams that runs modern offense. Bargnani has the upside the issue with him is his work ethic. The only season where he really worked hard was when he almost made it as an allstar averaging like 20ppg (he was my fantasy player back then).

While Fultz was exactly the PG of today’s basketball. He can play multiple positions on defense that allows you to switch heavy on defense. Size advantage against most PGs. Score in 3 levels and is made to run PnR. Its just that nobody saw this “mysterious” injury happening

Who cares about size.. vision.. Boban has size and has 20-20 vision.

Thats the thing with drafting. Know when the data is noise. He got carried away with the “but he’s special” narrative.

The guy he should have selected was Ingram. Ingram has foundations to be a good shooter. Has freakish length and has also a good foundation as a ball handler. Even the Lakers played him some PG early on.

Ingram is Bargnani to what Ben is to LMA. The difference is Ingram was traded early on his career and he has this “near death” experience in his career that made him work his butt off because he is at risk of not getting paid like a #2 overall pick. Whereas Ben and Bargs, both number overall picks, got too comfortable with the status on their team that there was no urgency for them to work hard on their game.

“We have Tony from Jersey on line 1. Tony thanks for calling in, how you feel about this Simmons guy?”

[Negrodamus]

Lol, a big three of Simmons, DLO, and Towns is going to blow up in their face.