Dame Could Push For Trade Per Haynes

[Waynearchetype]

I hate this, and dont think its really happening, but if it did I am looking at a picks-galore trade w/ NYK.

Barrett
Knox
19
32
2023 DAL FRP
2024 NYK Swap Option (Unprotected)
2025 NYK FRP (Unprotected)
2026 NYK Swap Option (Unprotected)
2027 NYK FRP (Unprotected)

Give me that. I want that. I dont care about that 2022 pick b/c a team w/ prime Dame + Randle is going to be good. I want those picks a few years out when Dame is older, and in the meantime we can run a treadmill team w/ some fun youth.

G - CJ McCollum / Daishen Nix (32)
G - Norman Powell / Anfernee Simons
F - RJ Barrett / Nassir Little / Kevin Knox
F - Robert Covington / JT Thor (19)
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Zach Collins

Thats a 7/8 seed that keeps the fans interested enough IMO. Then rely on NYK being bad once Dame declines and use their picks to get blue chip talent. I like this sort of middle ground more than bottoming out, losing interest and hoping we dont get into a perennial rebuild small market feedback loop like MIN / SAC.

I would definitely try to grab Quickley or Obi Toppin instead of Knox. If you're trading Dame, you should clean house as well, you really want to hit that low lotto for at least a year or two. It's Unlikely Norm would be interested in staying at that point, and 7/8 seed is purgatory that we've experienced plenty already.

[Tor_Raps]

I don't think this would be the best offer but would it be good enough to be considered? It would have to be done during free agency once Trent jr picks his team.

Toronto Trades:
Fred
Boucher
Trent Jr (separate transaction)
Baynes (team option picked up)
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder

Toronto Receives:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Trades:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Receives :
Fred
Boucher
Baynes
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder
Assets from 3rd team for Trent Jr.

3rd Team Trades:
Assets

3rd Team Receives:
Trent Jr

[DusterBuster]

I don't think this would be the best offer but would it be good enough to be considered? It would have to be done during free agency once Trent jr picks his team.

Toronto Trades:
Fred
Boucher
Trent Jr (separate transaction)
Baynes (team option picked up)
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder

Toronto Receives:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Trades:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Receives :
Fred
Boucher
Baynes
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder
Assets from 3rd team for Trent Jr.

3rd Team Trades:
Assets

3rd Team Receives:
Trent Jr

I still wish Portland had just matched Trent JR. If they were destined for a rebuild, I would have liked to see him as a centerpiece.

Reasonable trade offer btw if we're entertaining Dame trade ideas. Teams have gotten FAR worse deals for their stars.

[Tor_Raps]

I don't think this would be the best offer but would it be good enough to be considered? It would have to be done during free agency once Trent jr picks his team.

Toronto Trades:
Fred
Boucher
Trent Jr (separate transaction)
Baynes (team option picked up)
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder

Toronto Receives:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Trades:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Receives :
Fred
Boucher
Baynes
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder
Assets from 3rd team for Trent Jr.

3rd Team Trades:
Assets

3rd Team Receives:
Trent Jr

I still wish Portland had just matched Trent JR. If they were destined for a rebuild, I would have liked to see him as a centerpiece.

Reasonable trade offer btw if we're entertaining Dame trade ideas. Teams have gotten FAR worse deals for their stars.

Feel free to take Trent Jr back in that proposal if he can be convinced to sign back. Stuff like that has happened before. He can be traded for Nurkic in a separate transaction while the rest stays for Lillard.

[Waynearchetype]

I don't think this would be the best offer but would it be good enough to be considered? It would have to be done during free agency once Trent jr picks his team.

Toronto Trades:
Fred
Boucher
Trent Jr (separate transaction)
Baynes (team option picked up)
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder

Toronto Receives:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Trades:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Receives :
Fred
Boucher
Baynes
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder
Assets from 3rd team for Trent Jr.

3rd Team Trades:
Assets

3rd Team Receives:
Trent Jr

I still wish Portland had just matched Trent JR. If they were destined for a rebuild, I would have liked to see him as a centerpiece.

Reasonable trade offer btw if we're entertaining Dame trade ideas. Teams have gotten FAR worse deals for their stars.

Feel free to take Trent Jr back in that proposal if he can be convinced to sign back. Stuff like that has happened before. He can be traded for Nurkic in a separate transaction while the rest stays for Lillard.

Get rid of the pick swap and add a 2026 1st and I think that gets you Lillard. I don't think Nurkic would be included though.

[DusterBuster]

I don't think this would be the best offer but would it be good enough to be considered? It would have to be done during free agency once Trent jr picks his team.

Toronto Trades:
Fred
Boucher
Trent Jr (separate transaction)
Baynes (team option picked up)
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder

Toronto Receives:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Trades:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Receives :
Fred
Boucher
Baynes
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder
Assets from 3rd team for Trent Jr.

3rd Team Trades:
Assets

3rd Team Receives:
Trent Jr

I still wish Portland had just matched Trent JR. If they were destined for a rebuild, I would have liked to see him as a centerpiece.

Reasonable trade offer btw if we're entertaining Dame trade ideas. Teams have gotten FAR worse deals for their stars.

Feel free to take Trent Jr back in that proposal if he can be convinced to sign back. Stuff like that has happened before. He can be traded for Nurkic in a separate transaction while the rest stays for Lillard.

Yeah, not sure on the restrictions about trading for Trent tho... he's a RFA this summer I believe, so not sure Toronto can even really trade him.

That aside, I really think this summer is probably it for me following/caring about the NBA. I've been kinda lukewarm on it for the last couple seasons anyhow, but now its like legitimately not fun to watch, follow or discuss with anyone because almost every topic - no matter how small - has become ridiculously toxic. Literally, everything has to come back to racism, sexism/misogyny, mental health, etc. Not saying those aren't super important topics that aren't worthy of discussion and haven't been in the discourse at times before, but it feels like it's overshadowing the game and really sucking the fun/escapism out of the sport for me.

So yeah, trade Lillard, blow the team up, sell the franchise, move it to Seattle... I'm just kinda at the "whatever" moment for myself.

[PDXKnight]

I don't think this would be the best offer but would it be good enough to be considered? It would have to be done during free agency once Trent jr picks his team.

Toronto Trades:
Fred
Boucher
Trent Jr (separate transaction)
Baynes (team option picked up)
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder

Toronto Receives:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Trades:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Receives :
Fred
Boucher
Baynes
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder
Assets from 3rd team for Trent Jr.

3rd Team Trades:
Assets

3rd Team Receives:
Trent Jr

take out nurk and add paschal. I know he’s not a throw in but none of these other guys move me. Siakum + bunch of picks is fairer at least from my perspective. Fred and boucher i don’t love siakum is something we can actually use going forward for even if he has regressed he is still a nice young(er) piece

[Tor_Raps]

I don't think this would be the best offer but would it be good enough to be considered? It would have to be done during free agency once Trent jr picks his team.

Toronto Trades:
Fred
Boucher
Trent Jr (separate transaction)
Baynes (team option picked up)
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder

Toronto Receives:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Trades:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Receives :
Fred
Boucher
Baynes
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder
Assets from 3rd team for Trent Jr.

3rd Team Trades:
Assets

3rd Team Receives:
Trent Jr

take out nurk and add paschal. I know he’s not a throw in but none of these other guys move me. Siakum + bunch of picks is fairer at least from my perspective. Fred and boucher i don’t love siakum is something we can actually use going forward for even if he has regressed he is still a nice young(er) piece

You're getting the 4th pick in this transaction in a draft where any of these guys would go #1 in most years. That was supposed to offset not getting a star player back.

[DusterBuster]

I don't think this would be the best offer but would it be good enough to be considered? It would have to be done during free agency once Trent jr picks his team.

Toronto Trades:
Fred
Boucher
Trent Jr (separate transaction)
Baynes (team option picked up)
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder

Toronto Receives:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Trades:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Receives :
Fred
Boucher
Baynes
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder
Assets from 3rd team for Trent Jr.

3rd Team Trades:
Assets

3rd Team Receives:
Trent Jr

take out nurk and add paschal. I know he’s not a throw in but none of these other guys move me. Siakum + bunch of picks is fairer at least from my perspective. Fred and boucher i don’t love siakum is something we can actually use going forward for even if he has regressed he is still a nice young(er) piece

Let's be clear though, if Dame demands a trade, he's going to pick where he goes. Olshey will respect Dame's request for his desired location(s) over making sure the Blazers get back a ton of assets. I don't see Toronto being on that list even if they're willing to back up the brinks truck of assets.

Dame's said on Twitter in the past that if he didn't stay with the Blazers, the two places he'd want to go are the Lakers or Jazz. So if that's the path we're on right now, I think that's the two teams the Blazers would be negotiating with. If they want to get any sort of value from those teams for Dame, they need to figure this out quick while Dame is still under contract so they still have some leverage. That said, I don't see what value those two teams have... Lakers leveraged pretty much every asset they have for the rest of the decade to get AD. Jazz aren't moving Mitchell or Rudy for Dame, so the Blazers would be looking at the leftover pieces and a ton of mediocre picks probably at best from Utah... but I wouldn't be surprised to see the deal be something like that.

[Norm2953]

I've been thinking any Dame trade would require a solid young player who could develop into an all-star
and either a secondary solid player/picks or the usual combination of picks/pick swaps.

Potential offers from Boston would presumably involve Jaylen Brown, Philadelphia (Simmons), Knicks (Barrett),
Toronto (Siakum), GSW (Wiseman) with some others perhaps involved if the cost is not too high. Let's see who
is the motivated to want to push in their chips in search of an NBA title.

[soobias]

i think the blazers problem is that jody has no clue about what to do with the team personnel wise.
i think she doesnt know about who's a good hire or who to talk to about GM's, President, and thats why NO job has been/is safe.

[Waynearchetype]

Let's be clear though, if Dame demands a trade, he's going to pick where he goes. Olshey will respect Dame's request for his desired location(s) over making sure the Blazers get back a ton of assets. I don't see Toronto being on that list even if they're willing to back up the brinks truck of assets.

Dame's said on Twitter in the past that if he didn't stay with the Blazers, the two places he'd want to go are the Lakers or Jazz. So if that's the path we're on right now, I think that's the two teams the Blazers would be negotiating with. If they want to get any sort of value from those teams for Dame, they need to figure this out quick while Dame is still under contract so they still have some leverage. That said, I don't see what value those two teams have... Lakers leveraged pretty much every asset they have for the rest of the decade to get AD. Jazz aren't moving Mitchell or Rudy for Dame, so the Blazers would be looking at the leftover pieces and a ton of mediocre picks probably at best from Utah... but I wouldn't be surprised to see the deal be something like that.

This is the most disappointing take I've read all day. Id hope Olshey would be better at his job than that.

[b33nine]

I think GSW have the most realistic assets if the trade were to happen this summer.

While getting Simmons from Philadelphia is very intriguing, the lack of viable draft picks concerns me and to get any kind of real value on them, the picks/swaps would need to be 3+ years out. Though if we did build around Simmons he's young enough that you'd be adding cost controlled (hopefully good) rookies while he's still in his late 20's.

Brown intrigues me the least because you're in the same situation with draft picks, but Brown seems like he has the least potential still to be added to his game.

Crazy to think that we might get a redo of the Lamarcus era after Roy/Oden fizzled out with CJ

[Norm2953]

I don't think this would be the best offer but would it be good enough to be considered? It would have to be done during free agency once Trent jr picks his team.

Toronto Trades:
Fred
Boucher
Trent Jr (separate transaction)
Baynes (team option picked up)
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder

Toronto Receives:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Trades:
Lillard
Nurkic

Portland Receives :
Fred
Boucher
Baynes
2021 4th pick
2022 Protected 1st Rounder
2023 1st round Pick Swap
2024 Protected 1st Rounder
Assets from 3rd team for Trent Jr.

3rd Team Trades:
Assets

3rd Team Receives:
Trent Jr

take out nurk and add paschal. I know he’s not a throw in but none of these other guys move me. Siakum + bunch of picks is fairer at least from my perspective. Fred and boucher i don’t love siakum is something we can actually use going forward for even if he has regressed he is still a nice young(er) piece

Let's be clear though, if Dame demands a trade, he's going to pick where he goes. Olshey will respect Dame's request for his desired location(s) over making sure the Blazers get back a ton of assets. I don't see Toronto being on that list even if they're willing to back up the brinks truck of assets.

Dame's said on Twitter in the past that if he didn't stay with the Blazers, the two places he'd want to go are the Lakers or Jazz. So if that's the path we're on right now, I think that's the two teams the Blazers would be negotiating with. If they want to get any sort of value from those teams for Dame, they need to figure this out quick while Dame is still under contract so they still have some leverage. That said, I don't see what value those two teams have... Lakers leveraged pretty much every asset they have for the rest of the decade to get AD. Jazz aren't moving Mitchell or Rudy for Dame, so the Blazers would be looking at the leftover pieces and a ton of mediocre picks probably at best from Utah... but I wouldn't be surprised to see the deal be something like that.

He's under contract for at least the next 3 seasons. if he wanted out, Portland would work with him to send him to a team
that has a reasonable shot at a title but he's going to go to a team that will send Portland the best offer for his services. I
think it will come down to the team who is most motivated to try to win in 21/22.

[DusterBuster]

take out nurk and add paschal. I know he’s not a throw in but none of these other guys move me. Siakum + bunch of picks is fairer at least from my perspective. Fred and boucher i don’t love siakum is something we can actually use going forward for even if he has regressed he is still a nice young(er) piece

Let's be clear though, if Dame demands a trade, he's going to pick where he goes. Olshey will respect Dame's request for his desired location(s) over making sure the Blazers get back a ton of assets. I don't see Toronto being on that list even if they're willing to back up the brinks truck of assets.

Dame's said on Twitter in the past that if he didn't stay with the Blazers, the two places he'd want to go are the Lakers or Jazz. So if that's the path we're on right now, I think that's the two teams the Blazers would be negotiating with. If they want to get any sort of value from those teams for Dame, they need to figure this out quick while Dame is still under contract so they still have some leverage. That said, I don't see what value those two teams have... Lakers leveraged pretty much every asset they have for the rest of the decade to get AD. Jazz aren't moving Mitchell or Rudy for Dame, so the Blazers would be looking at the leftover pieces and a ton of mediocre picks probably at best from Utah... but I wouldn't be surprised to see the deal be something like that.

He's under contract for at least the next 3 seasons. if he wanted out, Portland would work with him to send him to a team
that has a reasonable shot at a title but he's going to go to a team that will send Portland the best offer for his services. I
think it will come down to the team who is most motivated to try to win in 21/22.

Yeah, every fan says that but it NEVER works that way in reality. 9 times out of 10, teams always do-right by their star players when they want out, and they do so at the expense of getting top value for their star.

Be prepared to be bummed at the return if the Blazers move Dame. Or continue to live in the fantasy world every other fan tries to convince themselves is reality that they'll send their start anywhere for the best deal, whatever floats your boat.

[DusterBuster]

Let's be clear though, if Dame demands a trade, he's going to pick where he goes. Olshey will respect Dame's request for his desired location(s) over making sure the Blazers get back a ton of assets. I don't see Toronto being on that list even if they're willing to back up the brinks truck of assets.

Dame's said on Twitter in the past that if he didn't stay with the Blazers, the two places he'd want to go are the Lakers or Jazz. So if that's the path we're on right now, I think that's the two teams the Blazers would be negotiating with. If they want to get any sort of value from those teams for Dame, they need to figure this out quick while Dame is still under contract so they still have some leverage. That said, I don't see what value those two teams have... Lakers leveraged pretty much every asset they have for the rest of the decade to get AD. Jazz aren't moving Mitchell or Rudy for Dame, so the Blazers would be looking at the leftover pieces and a ton of mediocre picks probably at best from Utah... but I wouldn't be surprised to see the deal be something like that.

This is the most disappointing take I've read all day. Id hope Olshey would be better at his job than that.

It's not a take, it's reality. This is something you can go back and see in nearly all of the previous superstar trades over the last 5 years. The star dictates where they want to go and teams oblige. Aside from the one arbitration of Leonard to Toronto, this is just how it works. The star says the team or teams he's willing to go to, and it's the organization's job to get as much value as possible from those select teams.

I don't know why fans want to keep their head in the sand so much and believe this fantasy tale that they can just trade a star to any team in the league and will get max value possible. That's not how this has EVER worked.

[b33nine]

It's also very uncommon for teams to comply with a request like that when the player has as much time left on their contract that Lillard does. If he did request a trade, and we didn't like any of the offers from his list of teams, we'd probably tell them to go find the assets we need and it'd be a race to build a viable asset package similarly to what Brooklyn did with Indianapolis. Might take a year for them to find the right deal.

[Norm2953]

I've never said they would get maximum value but let's see where indeed where he wants to go for
neither the Jazz or Lakers have any real assets to offer up unless Portland took on guys like KCP
and picks in 2030. Portland does have some options to at least send him to the Eastern conference,
to a team that is acceptable to him. I personally think it will be the Knicks in the end who are the
most motivated for a package of RJ Barrett + players/picks

[Waynearchetype]

It's not a take, it's reality. This is something you can go back and see in nearly all of the previous superstar trades over the last 5 years. The star dictates where they want to go and teams oblige. Aside from the one arbitration of Leonard to Toronto, this is just how it works. The star says the team or teams he's willing to go to, and it's the organization's job to get as much value as possible from those select teams.

I don't know why fans want to keep their head in the sand so much and believe this fantasy tale that they can just trade a star to any team in the league and will get max value possible. That's not how this has EVER worked.

Yeah I'm sure Jimmy Butler wanted to go to Minnesota as well. Stars get traded to their preferred destination when that team has enough value to pay for them. Even the Brooklyn trade, in abstract, was more value than LAL or UTAH could offer without including their own top players (though Houston spun off the more valuable youth in that deal to other teams for poor return, but that was them floundering and not the value paid by Brooklyn for harden).

Like, we can't prove a negative, and that negative being every star that wanted out but just didn't get traded. Those aren't countable instances, but I'm sure they happen. Most stars get traded on the last year of their contract, if Lillard wanted to pull a Harden and not show up/fight with team mates/ be a general diva I'm sure he could force the Blazers hand. But its ridiculous to think they would accept a worse package than Harden, and Dames pride would likely stop him from being that disgruntled.

[DusterBuster]

It's not a take, it's reality. This is something you can go back and see in nearly all of the previous superstar trades over the last 5 years. The star dictates where they want to go and teams oblige. Aside from the one arbitration of Leonard to Toronto, this is just how it works. The star says the team or teams he's willing to go to, and it's the organization's job to get as much value as possible from those select teams.

I don't know why fans want to keep their head in the sand so much and believe this fantasy tale that they can just trade a star to any team in the league and will get max value possible. That's not how this has EVER worked.

Yeah I'm sure Jimmy Butler wanted to go to Minnesota as well. Stars get traded to their preferred destination when that team has enough value to pay for them. Even the Brooklyn trade, in abstract, was more value than LAL or UTAH could offer without including their own top players (though Houston spun off the more valuable youth in that deal to other teams for poor return, but that was them floundering and not the value paid by Brooklyn for harden).

Like, we can't prove a negative, and that negative being every star that wanted out but just didn't get traded. Those aren't countable instances, but I'm sure they happen. Most stars get traded on the last year of their contract, if Lillard wanted to pull a Harden and not show up/fight with team mates/ be a general diva I'm sure he could force the Blazers hand. But its ridiculous to think they would accept a worse package than Harden, and Dames pride would likely stop him from being that disgruntled.

Butler wasn't (arguably still isn't) a superstar with the kind of pull of a Dame, Harden, AD. Not a 1:1 comparison.