MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

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Hypothetically what if we did this?

4 team trade
Miami, Houston, OKC and Portland

Miami gets - Lillard and Gordon
OKC gets - Precious, KZ Okpala and maybe our 2022 2nd rounder.
Houston get - Herro
Portland gets - Dragic, Iggy, #23 and #24 of the 2021 draft and 3 future FRPs and up to 4 pick swaps

Feel like that's pretty close to the package OKC got for Paul George after he signed his extension.

Miami would get Lillard, Butler, Bam and Robinson for the next 4yrs and also add Gordon for 3yrs and possibly retain guys like Ariza and Oladipo for cheap.

This would be assuming Dame chose Miami similar to how Paul George chose the LAC's.

All those picks and pick swaps that Portland is getting ... who is supplying them?

And I would add; what is OKC's motivation to do this? Are we assuming they value KZ and Precious more than the picks?

I'm assuming that some of the picks are coming from Houston to dump Gordon. But yeah, I don't understand why OKC is involved. Maybe that nets 1 first round pick from them ... but surely not 2.

[contract]

Hypothetically what if we did this?

4 team trade
Miami, Houston, OKC and Portland

Miami gets - Lillard and Gordon
OKC gets - Precious, KZ Okpala and maybe our 2022 2nd rounder.
Houston get - Herro
Portland gets - Dragic, Iggy, #23 and #24 of the 2021 draft and 3 future FRPs and up to 4 pick swaps

Feel like that's pretty close to the package OKC got for Paul George after he signed his extension.

Miami would get Lillard, Butler, Bam and Robinson for the next 4yrs and also add Gordon for 3yrs and possibly retain guys like Ariza and Oladipo for cheap.

This would be assuming Dame chose Miami similar to how Paul George chose the LAC's.

All those picks and pick swaps that Portland is getting ... who is supplying them?

In this scenario we'd get our 2023 back from OKC allowing us trade our picks again and we'd send 3FRPs and whatever pick swaps and Houston would send the #23 and #24 to them for Herro.

Admittedly its going to be a tall task to get OKC to play ball but I have faith Riley would be able to do what it takes to get it done.

OK I see.

[dean456]

Hypothetically what if we did this?

4 team trade
Miami, Houston, OKC and Portland

Miami gets - Lillard and Gordon
OKC gets - Precious, KZ Okpala and maybe our 2022 2nd rounder.
Houston get - Herro
Portland gets - Dragic, Iggy, #23 and #24 of the 2021 draft and 3 future FRPs and up to 4 pick swaps

Feel like that's pretty close to the package OKC got for Paul George after he signed his extension.

Miami would get Lillard, Butler, Bam and Robinson for the next 4yrs and also add Gordon for 3yrs and possibly retain guys like Ariza and Oladipo for cheap.

This would be assuming Dame chose Miami similar to how Paul George chose the LAC's.

All those picks and pick swaps that Portland is getting ... who is supplying them?

And I would add; what is OKC's motivation to do this? Are we assuming they value KZ and Precious more than the picks?

They might have interest in those guys they might not I can't say for sure obviously. The main thing is all we'd need to do is get OKC something better than our 2023 pick to entice them to give ours back.

We could find another team in the league who'd take Precious and KZ and a 2nd for a protected/unprotected 1st that's potentially better than ours. Maybe we facilitate a S&T with Robinson that nets us a 1st? There's plenty of options, If all that's stopping Riley from getting Dame, Jimmy and Bam together is finding a way to make OKC happy he will find a way to do it.

[dean456]

All those picks and pick swaps that Portland is getting ... who is supplying them?

And I would add; what is OKC's motivation to do this? Are we assuming they value KZ and Precious more than the picks?

I'm assuming that some of the picks are coming from Houston to dump Gordon. But yeah, I don't understand why OKC is involved. Maybe that nets 1 first round pick from them ... but surely not 2.

They could do it to dump Gordon or they could keep Gordon and do just picks straight up for Herro. I don't feel like #23 and #24 is too steep a cost for a guy like Herro. I mean if it didn't lead to a pathway to Lillard I wouldn't even entertain that for Herro despite his recent level of play.

OKC are involved because we'd need our 2023 pick back from them in order to trade our 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027 and 2028 picks

[AirP.]

I get Oladipo is a risk, but it's one of those risks you need to take to have a shot at a championship.

Quick question...
Does anyone think it's possible Miami attacks the offseason as an over the cap team, make whatever moves they can and initially go into the luxury tax to retain Oladipo with the thought he'll be out 1/2 a season. Then before the deadline make a decision on him, if he looks good to go keep him and send out some salary to get under the tax or possibly move him to get from under the tax. Also, they can utilize the luxury tax as a way to get Oladipo to take less or a team option contract(which would make him easier to move if Miami wants to cut ties with him).

If you think there's 0 percent chance he's done... fine, but I don't think that's the case although I'm skeptical about him being his old self again(hoping for ~90%). Just leave him out of negotiations/pay no mind to him until the rest of the roster is set, then negotiate with him with only going into the tax being the issue and use that as leverage.

[AirP.]

Here's the reporter who also does the Locked on Rockets podcast...

Not sold on Butler and Bam being your 2 bigs, maybe flip Robinson into a legit big next to Bam? I'd rather have Markkanan in a swap of RFAs with Robinson or find a way to get M.Bagley.

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[gom]

There is a minimum 1 FRP for taking the Wall contract. I would actually push for more. The most likely scenario is for him to break if used as a starter. Pairing him with broken Oladipo in a lineup is just a bad joke.

[RexBoyWonder]

1) Forget Dame, pure pipe dream. We don't have assets.

2) Herro/Rockets connection is interesting. No way we get #2 pick, but they have a few guys we can use to win now - mainly C.Wood and Gordon.

Would you do Herro + Dragic + Iggy
For
C.Wood + Gordon

?

Not sure really

[The Bunk]

Hypothetically, although extremely unlikely, would you trade Herro to Houston for 2 firsts this year and a 2023 1? Then, package those picks with Bam for Dame.

Any way we could still sign Jarrett Allen?

[AirP.]

Hypothetically, although extremely unlikely, would you trade Herro to Houston for 2 firsts this year and a 2023 1? Then, package those picks with Bam for Dame.

Any way we could still sign Jarrett Allen?

Allen is a restricted free agent that Cleveland gave up a 1st for so why do people think Cleveland won't retain him by matching whoever to retain him?

[BenoUdrihFTL]

I get Oladipo is a risk, but it's one of those risks you need to take to have a shot at a championship.

Quick question...
Does anyone think it's possible Miami attacks the offseason as an over the cap team, make whatever moves they can and initially go into the luxury tax to retain Oladipo with the thought he'll be out 1/2 a season. Then before the deadline make a decision on him, if he looks good to go keep him and send out some salary to get under the tax or possibly move him to get from under the tax. Also, they can utilize the luxury tax as a way to get Oladipo to take less or a team option contract(which would make him easier to move if Miami wants to cut ties with him).

If you think there's 0 percent chance he's done... fine, but I don't think that's the case although I'm skeptical about him being his old self again(hoping for ~90%). Just leave him out of negotiations/pay no mind to him until the rest of the roster is set, then negotiate with him with only going into the tax being the issue and use that as leverage.

I'm on board with re-signing Dipo. Fact is, if we want to add potential all-star level players to this roster while retaining Butler/Bam then Dipo and Porzingis are probably the most realistic options outside of forfeiting all flexibility to sign 35yo Lowry

And if Dipo's latest surgeon is being truthful, then Dipo has essentially never returned 100% from his 2019 injury. If the surgery and rehab is done right this time, who knows, perhaps he comes back looking closer to the 2018 version than he has ever since getting injured

[Kobewade11]

Here's the reporter who also does the Locked on Rockets podcast...

Dude thinks they’re getting a pick for someone else taking on Wall’s contract? Lmao

[AirP.]

Here's the reporter who also does the Locked on Rockets podcast...

Dude thinks they’re getting a pick for someone else taking on Wall’s contract? Lmao

Well, I'd expect them to sit on his contract until they get some type of asset, a pick(2nd rounder) or a young player they like(KZ?). There's really no rush to move Wall with only 1+1 left on his huge contract.

[AirP.]

And if Dipo's latest surgeon is being truthful, then Dipo has essentially never returned 100% from his 2019 injury. If the surgery and rehab is done right this time, who knows, perhaps he comes back looking closer to the 2018 version than he has ever since getting injured

If I'm Miami I don't trust anyone but my own doctors. Miami needs to know what was specifically done and how the recovery is going, something they have a right to do since they did acquire him at the deadline. I am pro-Oladipo but I'm leaning heavily on my medical staff to decide how big of a risk it is to bring him back.

[Beenie]

Hypothetically, although extremely unlikely, would you trade Herro to Houston for 2 firsts this year and a 2023 1? Then, package those picks with Bam for Dame.

Any way we could still sign Jarrett Allen?

My guess is Port might just rather have Herro instead of those 2 picks (the ones in the 20s).

Bam, Herro, salary filler, and a FFR for Dame.

In this hypothetical, Mia could still swing Jarret Allen either by opting out of their club options contracts or by way of trades.

[RexBoyWonder]

Wall is top 3 worst contact in the league, and I'm being generous to him.

Taking his contract for anything short of HUGE sweeteners is madness.


tradeable Assets : Duncan S&T, Herro, Precious, Dragic, Iggy

Interesting names to target : Sexton, E.Gordon, C.Wood, Norman Powell, Dipo for cheap, Lowry, Prozingis (if very cheap)

Names I'd stay away from : Wall, Lonzo, S.Adams, Drummond, Schroder,

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[Kobewade11]

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We didn't need him embarrassing us on the world stage.

[Bishop45]

Wall is top 3 worst contact in the league, and I'm being generous to him.

Taking his contract for anything short of HUGE sweeteners is madness.


tradeable Assets : Duncan S&T, Herro, Precious, Dragic, Iggy

Interesting names to target : Sexton, E.Gordon, C.Wood, Norman Powell, Dipo for cheap, Lowry, Prozingis (if very cheap)

Names I'd stay away from : Wall, Lonzo, S.Adams, Drummond, Schroder,

Waiting until it's too late isnt the wave, Bam/Yimmy should be on that list. None of those name's under targets will make us competitive

We'll do the politically correct thing tho-- so Sexton all the way

[Kobewade11]

Wall is top 3 worst contact in the league, and I'm being generous to him.

Taking his contract for anything short of HUGE sweeteners is madness.


tradeable Assets : Duncan S&T, Herro, Precious, Dragic, Iggy

Interesting names to target : Sexton, E.Gordon, C.Wood, Norman Powell, Dipo for cheap, Lowry, Prozingis (if very cheap)

Names I'd stay away from : Wall, Lonzo, S.Adams, Drummond, Schroder,

Waiting until it's too late isnt the wave, Bam/Yimmy should be on that list. None of those name's under targets will make us competitive

We'll do the politically correct thing tho-- so Sexton all the way

There's a line between competitive and being a contender. It starts with the core of the team, the starting SF cant be shooting 25% from 3 so Jimmy is going to have to address that. Bam has to address his lack of aggression and Herro has to take the next leap in his development. If two of those three things happen and you add a Lowry to the mix I don't see any reason why that team wouldn't be competitive. By competitive I mean a 2nd round ceiling/with luck, injuries, perhaps a conference finals run. For better or worse our fates are tied to how badly do our two best players want to improve.