Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[Sportfan73]

Let's hope the Wolves front office is a little more realistic than their fanbase. I've seen offers on the GB of Rubio, and Jaden McDaniels for Ben being thrown around.

Similar "offers" in the trade thread on the T-Wolves board. A lot of "We want to trade for Simmons but we're not giving up any of our top 6 players".

But that's a sensible position, because Simmons isn't better than most teams' top players.

If a team were hypothetically trying to trade him to the Sixers, I wouldn't want to give up Embiid, Harris, Curry, or Maxey. Giving up one of those players for Simmons would make the Sixers worse. Likewise these fans of other teams don't want to see their teams get worse.

Two years ago things would've been different, but now people can see him for the player he really is.

Two years ago we could have got Lillard straight up for him and might have traded Joel for him. Still would trade anyone else on this roster for him and he still can be a centerpiece to acquire a superstar. Just isn’t worth it alone without players and picks

[Misteclipse]

Going for Dame is a no brainer. Yea he has a massive contract until he's 34 but he'll likely be playing at a high level until then anyways and it's not like we'll have cap room to spend on players that don't want to come here anyways. And with Embiid's injuries we only have a 4-5 year window anyways so by the time Dame's contract is up we'll likely be gearing up for another rebuild anyways.

The key will probably be finding a third team so that we don't have to include picks past 2025. If Timberwolves really want Simmons that badly to pair with KAT and DLO that's a no brainer. GSW is another team I can see being a third. The Cavs another one.

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[FireMorey]

Simmon's trade value isn't going to decline like people think it is. Value always regresses to the mean after recency bias fades. A month from now, Simmons' value will rebound and ego-driven GMs will believe they're the ones who can make him into an elite player. Whether or not that team is Portland remains to be seen, but if not, can always get a 3rd team involved to reroute stuff to Portland for Lillard.

Either way, Morey was brought in to figure this stuff out. So get it done, and don't become "Almost Ainge" Part II. Realistically, not many teams could outbid Simmons, Thybulle/Maxey, picks. Heat maybe, but apparently Herro and Robinson didn't have the best years from what I've been hearing. At least Simmons only had a bad playoffs, not a bad season.

[stormi]

Not true.

Read on Twitter

The bar for Philadelphia to acquire Harden kept increasing, and for their competition it did the reverse.

Ben eventually being put on the table was a moment in the discussion phases. But it went from Ben to Ben and Matisse to picks added to them demanding Maxey at the 11th hour. Fertitta and Houston were set on scalping Morey, they had no interest in doing a deal otherwise.

Lol. I love how everyone pulls up the one report that supports their argument. Ben Simmons was on the table and they still took the picks. They wanted picks. Don’t be so naive.

And if anybody needs them I have reports from Woj bookmarked that report the Sixers want more than Harden for Ben. I also have reports from Woj saying the Sixers have offered Ben and more for Harden.

Just from Woj tweets I have reports that can back up both sides of the argument.

And if anybody thinks Houston had real interest in Ben, but turned it down out of spite, you are clinging to a report from a particular camp. Houston wouldnt turn down a trade for Ja, Trae, Luca, Zion out of spite. Ben Simmons just didn’t have the value in comparison to the picks. If they really wanted Ben, he would be a Rocket right now. And I’m sure Houston is happy with their decision.

It's a lot of correlation vs. causation in this post. There were numerous reports to come out succeeding the Harden saga that said they simply would not do a deal with Philadelphia for James Harden. If we're doing the receipts game let me know.

[stormi]

Simmon's trade value isn't going to decline like people think it is. Value always regresses to the mean after recency bias fades. A month from now, Simmons' value will rebound and ego-driven GMs will believe they're the ones who can make him into an elite player. Whether or not that team is Portland remains to be seen, but if not, can always get a 3rd team involved to reroute stuff to Portland for Lillard.

Either way, Morey was brought in to figure this stuff out. So get it done, and don't become "Almost Ainge" Part II. Realistically, not many teams could outbid Simmons, Thybulle/Maxey, picks. Heat maybe, but apparently Herro and Robinson didn't have the best years from what I've been hearing. At least Simmons only had a bad playoffs, not a bad season.

The Pelicans are probably the team that could put out the most enticing package combining a collection of young players and a coup of draft picks. + the allure to play with Zion if that exists.

If Dame puts out a shortlist of teams though and it includes the regular suspects I think we have pole position.

[thenbaman]

Ben is way better than than the treatment he is receiving here.
Funny how everyone has such short memories.

[Negrodamus]

Psst, some of us have felt this way since 2018.

[mhunt]

[Roy The Natural]

Simmon's trade value isn't going to decline like people think it is. Value always regresses to the mean after recency bias fades. A month from now, Simmons' value will rebound and ego-driven GMs will believe they're the ones who can make him into an elite player. Whether or not that team is Portland remains to be seen, but if not, can always get a 3rd team involved to reroute stuff to Portland for Lillard.

Either way, Morey was brought in to figure this stuff out. So get it done, and don't become "Almost Ainge" Part II. Realistically, not many teams could outbid Simmons, Thybulle/Maxey, picks. Heat maybe, but apparently Herro and Robinson didn't have the best years from what I've been hearing. At least Simmons only had a bad playoffs, not a bad season.

The Pelicans are probably the team that could put out the most enticing package combining a collection of young players and a coup of draft picks. + the allure to play with Zion if that exists.

If Dame puts out a shortlist of teams though and it includes the regular suspects I think we have pole position.

Boston would be above Philly as well if it's on the list. However, I don't think a list matters in Dame's situation. It's best offer gets him.

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah Simmons gave me very bad vibes in 2016, unfortunately there is more than being talented.

[FireMorey]

Simmon's trade value isn't going to decline like people think it is. Value always regresses to the mean after recency bias fades. A month from now, Simmons' value will rebound and ego-driven GMs will believe they're the ones who can make him into an elite player. Whether or not that team is Portland remains to be seen, but if not, can always get a 3rd team involved to reroute stuff to Portland for Lillard.

Either way, Morey was brought in to figure this stuff out. So get it done, and don't become "Almost Ainge" Part II. Realistically, not many teams could outbid Simmons, Thybulle/Maxey, picks. Heat maybe, but apparently Herro and Robinson didn't have the best years from what I've been hearing. At least Simmons only had a bad playoffs, not a bad season.

The Pelicans are probably the team that could put out the most enticing package combining a collection of young players and a coup of draft picks. + the allure to play with Zion if that exists.

If Dame puts out a shortlist of teams though and it includes the regular suspects I think we have pole position.

Don't think Lillard fits their timeline. They aren't ready to win and I don't think they'd want to rush their rebuild.

[stormi]

Simmon's trade value isn't going to decline like people think it is. Value always regresses to the mean after recency bias fades. A month from now, Simmons' value will rebound and ego-driven GMs will believe they're the ones who can make him into an elite player. Whether or not that team is Portland remains to be seen, but if not, can always get a 3rd team involved to reroute stuff to Portland for Lillard.

Either way, Morey was brought in to figure this stuff out. So get it done, and don't become "Almost Ainge" Part II. Realistically, not many teams could outbid Simmons, Thybulle/Maxey, picks. Heat maybe, but apparently Herro and Robinson didn't have the best years from what I've been hearing. At least Simmons only had a bad playoffs, not a bad season.

The Pelicans are probably the team that could put out the most enticing package combining a collection of young players and a coup of draft picks. + the allure to play with Zion if that exists.

If Dame puts out a shortlist of teams though and it includes the regular suspects I think we have pole position.

Boston would be above Philly as well if it's on the list. However, I don't think a list matters in Dame's situation. It's best offer gets him.

Don't think they would. Tatum is off the table and their asset quality after Brown falls off a cliff. Also no pick this year. I think Miami is lacking picks also. And the Lakers have no enticing tradable assets.

[Sportfan73]

Simmon's trade value isn't going to decline like people think it is. Value always regresses to the mean after recency bias fades. A month from now, Simmons' value will rebound and ego-driven GMs will believe they're the ones who can make him into an elite player. Whether or not that team is Portland remains to be seen, but if not, can always get a 3rd team involved to reroute stuff to Portland for Lillard.

Either way, Morey was brought in to figure this stuff out. So get it done, and don't become "Almost Ainge" Part II. Realistically, not many teams could outbid Simmons, Thybulle/Maxey, picks. Heat maybe, but apparently Herro and Robinson didn't have the best years from what I've been hearing. At least Simmons only had a bad playoffs, not a bad season.

The Pelicans are probably the team that could put out the most enticing package combining a collection of young players and a coup of draft picks. + the allure to play with Zion if that exists.

If Dame puts out a shortlist of teams though and it includes the regular suspects I think we have pole position.

We also have morey, who got outbid once and came here to bring stars and chips. I don’t think he gets out bid again

[stormi]

Simmon's trade value isn't going to decline like people think it is. Value always regresses to the mean after recency bias fades. A month from now, Simmons' value will rebound and ego-driven GMs will believe they're the ones who can make him into an elite player. Whether or not that team is Portland remains to be seen, but if not, can always get a 3rd team involved to reroute stuff to Portland for Lillard.

Either way, Morey was brought in to figure this stuff out. So get it done, and don't become "Almost Ainge" Part II. Realistically, not many teams could outbid Simmons, Thybulle/Maxey, picks. Heat maybe, but apparently Herro and Robinson didn't have the best years from what I've been hearing. At least Simmons only had a bad playoffs, not a bad season.

The Pelicans are probably the team that could put out the most enticing package combining a collection of young players and a coup of draft picks. + the allure to play with Zion if that exists.

If Dame puts out a shortlist of teams though and it includes the regular suspects I think we have pole position.

Don't think Lillard fits their timeline. They aren't ready to win and I don't think they'd want to rush their rebuild.

Reports are Zion and his family are getting restless, who knows how serious those are. Young players don't want to wait anymore. Luka is getting frustrated too with his lack of help in Dallas.

[Roy The Natural]

The Pelicans are probably the team that could put out the most enticing package combining a collection of young players and a coup of draft picks. + the allure to play with Zion if that exists.

If Dame puts out a shortlist of teams though and it includes the regular suspects I think we have pole position.

Boston would be above Philly as well if it's on the list. However, I don't think a list matters in Dame's situation. It's best offer gets him.

Don't think they would. Tatum is off the table and their asset quality after Brown falls off a cliff. Also no pick this year. I think Miami is lacking picks also. And the Lakers have no enticing tradable assets.

I think there is a significant separation between Brown and Simmons for a rebuilding team like Portland would be. I don't think that Portland would be interested outright in Simmons if they are rebuilding. He'd need to be rerouted to somewhere that he pulls back value that Portland wants..... which complicates things. Meanwhile I do think that Portland would be interested in Brown. I think Brown fits well into basically any rebuild and allows you to not limit your pool of players that you can draft while rebuilding. Brown is still trending upwards, Ben is not. Late picks are only of marginal importance. I don't think you can acquire Lillard without having a true upward trending young guy as the core of the package. Some 76er fans may disagree with me, but I just plain don't see Simmons as that kind of guy.

He's been in the league 5 years. Has shown very little growth since entering the league. He's an exceedingly difficult player to build around while simultaneously not being good enough to justify building around. I just don't see him as a player that a Portland team blowing it up would be interested in... really almost at all. If he brings back the right pieces in a 3-team... then sure. But you're going to need to find those pieces. I don't think Portland would be interested in blowing the team up and handing the keys to a player with as many question marks about not only his game, but his mentality and work ethic as Ben Simmons has swirling around him right now. Needs to be someone on an upwards trajectory that is flashing high end potential.

But hey.. that's just my view. Jaylen Brown+Robert Williams+some picks isn't something that Philly can match in my opinion. They just don't have pieces that are as interesting IMO.

[Arsenal]

Let's hope the Wolves front office is a little more realistic than their fanbase. I've seen offers on the GB of Rubio, and Jaden McDaniels for Ben being thrown around.

Similar "offers" in the trade thread on the T-Wolves board. A lot of "We want to trade for Simmons but we're not giving up any of our top 6 players".

But that's a sensible position, because Simmons isn't better than most teams' top players.

If a team were hypothetically trying to trade him to the Sixers, I wouldn't want to give up Embiid, Harris, Curry, or Maxey. Giving up one of those players for Simmons would make the Sixers worse. Likewise these fans of other teams don't want to see their teams get worse.

Two years ago things would've been different, but now people can see him for the player he really is.

Wrong. I understand you're down on Simmons, but don't talk nonsense to justify lowball offers by idiot fans. In your hypothetical we would trade Harris, Curry or Maxey for Simmons in a heartbeat.

[Arsenal]

I'm doing everything I can to hold onto Maxey in a Lillard deal. Tyrese has a chance to be our primary perimeter initiator in a few years when Lillard starts declining.

[Arsenal]

Boston would be above Philly as well if it's on the list. However, I don't think a list matters in Dame's situation. It's best offer gets him.

Don't think they would. Tatum is off the table and their asset quality after Brown falls off a cliff. Also no pick this year. I think Miami is lacking picks also. And the Lakers have no enticing tradable assets.

I think there is a significant separation between Brown and Simmons for a rebuilding team like Portland would be. I don't think that Portland would be interested outright in Simmons if they are rebuilding. He'd need to be rerouted to somewhere that he pulls back value that Portland wants..... which complicates things. Meanwhile I do think that Portland would be interested in Brown. I think Brown fits well into basically any rebuild and allows you to not limit your pool of players that you can draft while rebuilding. Brown is still trending upwards, Ben is not. Late picks are only of marginal importance. I don't think you can acquire Lillard without having a true upward trending young guy as the core of the package. Some 76er fans may disagree with me, but I just plain don't see Simmons as that kind of guy.

He's been in the league 5 years. Has shown very little growth since entering the league. He's an exceedingly difficult player to build around while simultaneously not being good enough to justify building around. I just don't see him as a player that a Portland team blowing it up would be interested in... really almost at all. If he brings back the right pieces in a 3-team... then sure. But you're going to need to find those pieces. I don't think Portland would be interested in blowing the team up and handing the keys to a player with as many question marks about not only his game, but his mentality and work ethic as Ben Simmons has swirling around him right now. Needs to be someone on an upwards trajectory that is flashing high end potential.

But hey.. that's just my view. Jaylen Brown+Robert Williams+some picks isn't something that Philly can match in my opinion. They just don't have pieces that are as interesting IMO.

Where is this utopia where the Celtics hand over Jaylen Brown + picks? I don't see it.

[stormi]

I'm doing everything I can to hold onto Maxey in a Lillard deal. Tyrese has a chance to be our primary perimeter initiator in a few years when Lillard starts declining.

Ben + Tisse/Shake + picks. Fax it through

[Arsenal]

Yeah, my offer for Lillard starts with Ben + Shake. I want to keep Thybulle as our top perimeter defender, and Maxey as our heir apparent for Lillard. They can have literally anything else (except Embiid of course).