Trade targets

AingesBurner · Post #101 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:06 am

bkohler wrote:I wonder if you could be part of the Simmons trade and not bring back Simmons - like could you snag Jaylen Brown or Pascal Siakam - they’re lesser talents but less risk as well.

Doubt it, those guys are better than Simmons at this point.

Post #102 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:29 am

I saw chatter among fans that the Lakers have an incentive to ship Kuzma to the Jazz in a S&T for Conley because of their cap situation. I don't think it's going to happen, but if we somehow get Kuzma for Conley, it would help. We could then try and trade Bojan for a PG.

bkohler · Post #103 » by **bkohler** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:09 pm

Would you trade Bojan for a PG or just move Mitchell there and look for another wing to play SG?

I’ve always thought being undersized hurts our D a bit.

bkohler · Post #104 » by **bkohler** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:09 pm

Would you trade Bojan for a PG or just move Mitchell there and look for another wing to play SG?

I’ve always thought being undersized hurts our D a bit.

Post #105 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:17 pm

bkohler wrote:Would you trade Bojan for a PG or just move Mitchell there and look for another wing to play SG?

I’ve always thought being undersized hurts our D a bit.

I'm open to moving DM to the PG position but we've been supporting this for ages and it hasn't happened. So within the constraints of Snyder's reluctance to play DM at PG, the next best solution, under the assumption that Conley will not be back, is imho to trade Bojan for a point guard. And Kuzma fits DM's timeline better anyway.

Twosticker21 · Post #106 » by **Twosticker21** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:59 pm

David Locke brought up Lonzo Ball as a tall point guard to pair with Mitchell. What are the pro/con of Lonzo vs Simmons?

Ball - cheaper and may have a better all round game?
Simmons - expensive, great defender, questionable shooting.

Clearly neither Ball or Simmons is replacing Conley 3pt shooting, but do we get better pick and roll with them? Can teams play small ball with a Ball or Simmons/Gobert PnR? Which one would be better in pick and roll with Gobert?

bkohler · Post #107 » by **bkohler** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:59 pm

Yeah, I wonder about taller PG's - like Malcolm Brogdon, Lonzo Ball, Dejounte Murray. I don't think we'd have the piece to get any of those but I wonder about someone in that arch-type, and oversized PG to go with our undersized SG.

bkohler · Post #108 » by **bkohler** » Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:05 pm

Twosticker21 wrote:David Locke brought up Lonzo Ball as a tall point guard to pair with Mitchell. What are the pro/con of Lonzo vs Simmons?

Ball - cheaper and may have a better all round game?
Simmons - expensive, great defender, questionable shooting.

Clearly neither Ball or Simmons is replacing Conley 3pt shooting, but do we get better pick and roll with them? Can teams play small ball with a Ball or Simmons/Gobert PnR? Which one would be better in pick and roll with Gobert?

Ball is a RFA this year unless I'm mistaken, so he'd have to agree to come play here. Might be able to do a sign and trade with Bojan for him.

That would be an interesting team, with some ideal cheap pickups could look like this:

Ball / A. Caruso
DM / Clarkson
Ingles / Kuzma
Royce / Batum
Gobert / Favors / Dok

IDK If I love it but it's interesting, long and with good defense.

KqWIN · Post #109 » by **KqWIN** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:29 pm

Lonzo would be an ideal fit to play with Mitchell IMO. He's just a really great complimentary player in general, I'd love to get him.

I think NOP might be the team to try and exploit. Their FO is under a ton of pressure to win now and they have some pieces that would really fit here. The tax apron makes a S&T with Conley very difficult, but NOP is pretty close to having the cap situation to make it work. I also like Josh Hart a ton and would be willing to move Bojan or Clarkson in a trade for him.

Both players are restricted and would have to agree to a trade, but both are also good friends of Mitchell's so maybe we can get their agents to play hardball.

sip · Post #110 » by **sip** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:32 pm

KqWIN wrote:Lonzo would be an ideal fit to play with Mitchell IMO. He's just a really great complimentary player in general, I'd love to get him.

I think NOP might be the team to try and exploit. Their FO is under a ton of pressure to win now and they have some pieces that would really fit here. The tax apron makes a S&T with Conley very difficult, but NOP is pretty close to having the cap situation to make it work. I also like Josh Hart a ton and would be willing to move Bojan or Clarkson in a trade for him.

Both players are restricted and would have to agree to a trade, but both are also good friends of Mitchell's so maybe we can get their agents to play hardball.

I like the fit of Lonzo and NAW. Lonzo has already shown to be a solid defender though as well and we obviously need a guy like that. I would prefer to move Ingles rather than Bojan but I think could be the piece to get Ball. Long term the combo of Ball and Mitchell could be pretty special on both ends of the court.

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dr0welf · Post #111 » by **dr0welf** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:21 pm

Overall I think we are coming back with a similar team. Just looking at the team and our options thier really isn't a lot we can do to improve the team. We can make moves but most just give us different looks and not necessarily improve the team.

players contract ends: Conley, Niang, Ilyasova, Morgan, Brantley, Forrest
players gone: Ilyasova, Thomas (not guaranteed)
players expected to resign: Conley, Niang, Forrest, Brantley, Morgan
needs: back up pg, better small ball center option, perimeter defenders who can still shoot

I feel unless you can swing for the fences and get a shot on a perfect fit guy like Ingram you are holding steady. I'm expecting Conley to come back for around the 15Mil per year range. I feel that last time he switched teams he struggled and does not want to go through that again. He likes the team and the city I believe he stays. But we still need a PG that can learn from him and become that future PG. I don't know if the team feels Forrest could be that guy, he showed some good signs this year.

I think Morgan and Azubuike could be groomed to be our small ball guys but they need more court time during the regular season. And AZ needs to not get injured.

Favors, Ingles, Bogie are your trade pieces aka expendable. Royce could be on that list as well but I don't see them moving him unless we are getting a better defensive ayer back by packaging him with one of the other 3.

KqWIN · Post #112 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:59 am

I don't disagree that this will likely be the play, but if we come back with the same team we're just a worse team with no potential. We are a very old team and you have to expect that most of the guys will get worse. It's also very unlikely that Conley comes back at this point IMO. His cost will be closer to $30M than $15. A team like NY with max space will give him a ton of money on a short amount of years.

I think we need to flip as many of the rotation players for younger players with the chance to improve. We had our two year window to go all in. It was squandered because of bad decisions around the margins but also because Quin has been an awful, inexcusably bad playoff coach.

Time to get some fresh faces and a coach who can instill the correct defensive principles. And no...I don't believe DL/Zanik care to adjust the roster or that Quin is capable of being a strong playoff coach. That is what needs to happen though.

ForeverRDjazz · Post #113 » by **ForeverRDjazz** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:09 am

Do sign and trade to 76s Conley and Portland gets Ben Simmons and Jazz get Dame time. straight up.

bkohler · Post #114 » by **bkohler** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:37 am

ForeverRDjazz wrote:Do sign and trade to 76s Conley and Portland gets Ben Simmons and Jazz get Dame time. straight up.

Unless I'm mistaken you wouldn't be able to do that because of the hard cap. We can't go over the tax apron. Maybe we could dump Ingles/Clarkson/Bojan/Favors and make it work, but I think that's doubtful. You'd probably just include those in the trade to make it more appealing to the other teams.

However, If Simmons is the big piece to get Dame the sixers would just cut us out and take him themselves. The only real trade option for Dame would be for Mitchell...

ForeverRDjazz · Post #115 » by **ForeverRDjazz** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:45 am

bkohler wrote:
ForeverRDjazz wrote:Do sign and trade to 76s Conley and Portland gets Ben Simmons and Jazz get Dame time. straight up.

Unless I'm mistaken you wouldn't be able to do that because of the hard cap. We can't go over the tax apron. Maybe we could dump Ingles/Clarkson/Bojan/Favors and make it work, but I think that's doubtful. You'd probably just include those in the trade to make it more appealing to the other teams.

However, If Simmons is the big piece to get Dame the sixers would just cut us out and take him themselves. The only real trade option for Dame would be for Mitchell...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfsc854k

Post #116 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:33 am

ForeverRDjazz wrote:Do sign and trade to 76s Conley and Portland gets Ben Simmons and Jazz get Dame time. straight up.

No way either team other than the Jazz does this. The Sixers could just trade Simmons for Lillard, they don't need the Jazz. In fact, the Sixers' fanbase is drooling over the idea of Simmons for Lillard, and the Sixers could add some more pieces as well if needed. The Jazz have nothing to offer.

TNJazz · Post #117 » by **TNJazz** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:58 pm

The only thing the Jazz have going for them is that Lillard has stated his affinity for the Organization and if this is where he wants to go, then maybe that might play a very small role...It could happen...

OK, on reflection, its only wishful dreaming...

babyjax13 · Post #118 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:01 pm

ForeverRDjazz wrote:
bkohler wrote:
ForeverRDjazz wrote:Do sign and trade to 76s Conley and Portland gets Ben Simmons and Jazz get Dame time. straight up.

Unless I'm mistaken you wouldn't be able to do that because of the hard cap. We can't go over the tax apron. Maybe we could dump Ingles/Clarkson/Bojan/Favors and make it work, but I think that's doubtful. You'd probably just include those in the trade to make it more appealing to the other teams.

However, If Simmons is the big piece to get Dame the sixers would just cut us out and take him themselves. The only real trade option for Dame would be for Mitchell...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfsc854k

That is last year's salaries. You are proposing a sign and trade, there are rules about how those work for teams over the cap/tax.

sip · Post #119 » by **sip** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:03 pm

I wonder if the warriors would have any interest in Bogey and Ingles for Wiggins and 7. They add 2 elite 3pt shooters to play off of Curry. For us we get a super athletic wing in Wiggins that finally bought into playing defense this last year. He and Royce would be a pretty formidable defensive combo on the perimeter. If not 7 then maybe 14.

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babyjax13 · Post #120 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:49 am

sip wrote:I wonder if the warriors would have any interest in Bogey and Ingles for Wiggins and 7. They add 2 elite 3pt shooters to play off of Curry. For us we get a super athletic wing in Wiggins that finally bought into playing defense this last year. He and Royce would be a pretty formidable defensive combo on the perimeter. If not 7 then maybe 14.

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Warriors fans have been on board with that general trade in the past. I like it as a way to reset. Too bad it is not 6, would love to get Scottie Barnes, but I'd probably grab Keon Johnson or Moses Moody w/7.