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Mik317 wrote:Also are we even sure Lillard is still on the market? I think that piece was mainly to distance himself from the Billups thing and to let the fo feel the heat more than an actual trade request. Chauncey was his second choice behind Kidd ( says a lot about his decision making lol) and I don’t see him bailing on him right away…. Feels like this isn’t as open as everyone is acting
Mik317 wrote:Defense is still important. We lost game seven because Curry was food for example.
Just can’t be your main calling card and honestly our defense was pretty poopy in the playoffs it feels… didn’t really seem to make it hard for anyone nor cause turnovers as much no?
which is WAY MORE on Harris than Simmonssyntax wrote:Mik317 wrote:Defense is still important. We lost game seven because Curry was food for example.
Just can’t be your main calling card and honestly our defense was pretty poopy in the playoffs it feels… didn’t really seem to make it hard for anyone nor cause turnovers as much no?
Philly had 3rd best defensive rating in the playoffs and an overall net rating of +7.5... meaning they were pretty unlucky to get bounced.
The only stat that stands out is Philly shoots a low number of 3s... 2nd last out of all playoff teams.
DCasey91 wrote:I think defense is very important. The subset though of a high offensive hub individuals takes precedence but that’s been that way since the beginning. Offense in general is the overrated aspect not the offensive hub to build around.
You can get scorers, shooters, roleplayers what have you, the star primary is the hardest and most valued.
Basketball has been helio or 1/2, or in rare cases three and full maximization with the surrounding parts. It’s not exactly a team sport (too much gravity per player as being 5x5 the WAR is absurd here) but it’s not all on the individual either. The star build around opens the door that’s why they are so highly sought after.
Trout has GOAT level WAR and a GOAT start (already first ballot hall of fame and just entering his prime years lol). But his replacement level is borderline all star for NBA term (7 more or less). Absurd gravity in basketball. Different sports, Huge variance (slumps can be months on end of zero to low value metrics). Whereas basketball is way less variance.
Lebron took nuff nuffs to the finals lol. Can’t happen for other “team” sports.
PhilaOwnsBoston wrote:Comparing two players offensively and defensively can be more nuanced as well. Specifically Maxey vs Thybulle. Also have to look at how the offensive-first player is defensively vs how the defensive-first player is offensively.
I think Maxey has more defensive potential than Thybulle has offensive potential. I actually think if you were to trade Thybulle, in the next year is the perfect time. He's viewed as close to an elite defender that is still young, but I think his offensive game has very little upside. I'd be shocked if he ever cracks the 12 ppg mark any time soon or is ever a consistent shooter from deep. If teams start to believe his offense won't improve much, his value will start to decline.
However, Maxey I think has some defensive potential. Could see him being a 20 ppg scorer in this league too, who can score off the dribble and shoot respectably from 3. I think Maxey definitely has value now, but I think his peak value is yet to come, while Thybulle's might be right now.
So just from a purely maximizing value perspective, I think Thybulle is the better one to deal now. If Maxey develops like some hope he can and he turns into a stud, you could always revisit trading him down the road again(if you want to) as his value continues to increase.
DCasey91 wrote:Thybulle isn’t going to hit 40% on 3’s. Anything more then 6ppg is asking a lot. Fact is Bridge’s floor is really Thybulle’s ceiling.
Misteclipse wrote:Defense is still important but defense is much easier to find than elite offense. You can easily find defensive role players with the MLE, buyout market, trades, ring chasing vets in free agency, etc. Could probably get RoCo back in any trade with the Blazers.
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Me too. We should try hard to keep him, but If he's need to complete the trade so it is, but he would really improve backing up Dame.Arsenal wrote:mhunt wrote:
I'm doing everything I can to hold onto Maxey in a Lillard deal. Tyrese has a chance to be our primary perimeter initiator in a few years when Lillard starts declining.
51X3RF4N wrote:I'd circle back to Cleveland and try to involve a 3rd team like Indy.
Would Indy do some combination of Sexton for Brogdon?
Sixers send Ben to Cleveland, get back Brogdon, Nance, Osman and a future pick?
Brogdon/Maxey
Curry/Osman
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Nance
Embiid/Howard
It's last year's team except Brogdon as an upgrade on offense in the half court. Osman as more consistent Korkmaz but with better defense and playmaking. Nance as a better 4 off the bench.
Nance, Osman and Curry on great contracts.
That's solid depth, built well and on the right timeline with Joe and Reed in the wings still plus pick this year and another future 1st.
That's how a dynasty is built around Joel.
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syntax wrote:51X3RF4N wrote:I'd circle back to Cleveland and try to involve a 3rd team like Indy.
Would Indy do some combination of Sexton for Brogdon?
Sixers send Ben to Cleveland, get back Brogdon, Nance, Osman and a future pick?
Brogdon/Maxey
Curry/Osman
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Nance
Embiid/Howard
It's last year's team except Brogdon as an upgrade on offense in the half court. Osman as more consistent Korkmaz but with better defense and playmaking. Nance as a better 4 off the bench.
Nance, Osman and Curry on great contracts.
That's solid depth, built well and on the right timeline with Joe and Reed in the wings still plus pick this year and another future 1st.
That's how a dynasty is built around Joel.
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Why would Indy want Sexton and not Brogdon?
Nemesis21 wrote:It is absolutely hilarious hearing people still say Embiid has superstar potential.The guy is one injury away from being Greg Oden.Except Oden manged to play over 100 games in the NBA, I don't think Embiid will play more.
syntax wrote:DCasey91 wrote:Thybulle isn’t going to hit 40% on 3’s. Anything more then 6ppg is asking a lot. Fact is Bridge’s floor is really Thybulle’s ceiling.
Why not?
DCasey91 wrote:syntax wrote:DCasey91 wrote:Thybulle isn’t going to hit 40% on 3’s. Anything more then 6ppg is asking a lot. Fact is Bridge’s floor is really Thybulle’s ceiling.
Why not?
He’s been inconsistent since college, his wrist position is bunk atm which leads to enormous variance.
Plus he doesn’t even have the game to average 10ppg let alone 6.
He’s like a -4 on offense but can be a +4 on defense. So you 100% need a Lillard type to make him viable on long minutes (25+mins).
I mean Durant is one of the most efficient scorers ever and he had to play with Westbrook and Roberson lol. Westbrick took more shots then him no wonder he left. Dude won a scoring title and he didn’t even take the most shots on the team.
There’s a reason Howard/Ben/Thybulle is doo doo for long.
DCasey91 wrote:syntax wrote:DCasey91 wrote:Thybulle isn’t going to hit 40% on 3’s. Anything more then 6ppg is asking a lot. Fact is Bridge’s floor is really Thybulle’s ceiling.
Why not?
He’s been inconsistent since college, his wrist position is bunk atm which leads to enormous variance.
Plus he doesn’t even have the game to average 10ppg let alone 6.
He’s like a -4 on offense but can be a +4 on defense. So you 100% need a Lillard type to make him viable on long minutes (25+mins).
I mean Durant is one of the most efficient scorers ever and he had to play with Westbrook and Roberson lol. Westbrick took more shots then him no wonder he left. Dude won a scoring title and he didn’t even take the most shots on the team.
There’s a reason Howard/Ben/Thybulle is doo doo for long.
syntax wrote:DCasey91 wrote:syntax wrote:
Why not?
He’s been inconsistent since college, his wrist position is bunk atm which leads to enormous variance.
Plus he doesn’t even have the game to average 10ppg let alone 6.
He’s like a -4 on offense but can be a +4 on defense. So you 100% need a Lillard type to make him viable on long minutes (25+mins).
I mean Durant is one of the most efficient scorers ever and he had to play with Westbrook and Roberson lol. Westbrick took more shots then him no wonder he left. Dude won a scoring title and he didn’t even take the most shots on the team.
There’s a reason Howard/Ben/Thybulle is doo doo for long.
Haven't heard that about his wrist. What is your source?
Thybulle is shooting 37.8% from deep since the All-Star break and he is taking 2.5 triples per game. Up from 26.2% from deep on 2.0 attempt per game.
Thybulle is the Sixers starting SF of the future, i'd bet my house on it.
Ok? Your point is? No sane person allows a Thybulle to hold up a trade for a legitimate superstar like Lillard. Lillard wins us a championship. Simmons and Thybulle don't.syntax wrote:Misteclipse wrote:Defense is still important but defense is much easier to find than elite offense. You can easily find defensive role players with the MLE, buyout market, trades, ring chasing vets in free agency, etc. Could probably get RoCo back in any trade with the Blazers.
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Because RoCo is garbage.
Thybulle was getting 5 block 5 steal games in college.
If he can get 2+ stl 2 blkS in the NBA...
One player gets more than 2 steals and it's Jimmy Butler.
There are 30 guys in the NBA scoring 20ppg.
