Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[arkuo]

Its going to be very difficult to get a max slot next year due to Luka's SuperMax.

Would have to not resign anyone. Waive Maxi (non guaranteed final year), stretch/waive Powell, decline club option on Green. That would leave you with a team of Luka, KP, Burke and Terry and around $30 mil of cap room. Its possible, but to got that route you need to be 100% sure your target is going to sign.

Too risky IMO. Bill Duffy has to do some advanced "tampering" and get a solid commitment from Lavine before the Mavs can put the wheels in motion for this. Too many moving parts.

It’s not unheard of for agents to talk to their clients about the upcoming off season. That wouldn’t be tampering since he’s the agent. He’s allowed to talk to his client about all his options at any point.


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This is true. Without Donnie, Cuban and Harrison need to talk Bill Duffy into moving his client here then. And it may be in Duffy's best interest to get some eyeballs into Lavine. We know Luka gets stories from the national media, would help to up his value rather than just winning 30 games a year in Chitown.

[Mr B]

Too risky IMO. Bill Duffy has to do some advanced "tampering" and get a solid commitment from Lavine before the Mavs can put the wheels in motion for this. Too many moving parts.

It’s not unheard of for agents to talk to their clients about the upcoming off season. That wouldn’t be tampering since he’s the agent. He’s allowed to talk to his client about all his options at any point.


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This is true. Without Donnie, Cuban and Harrison need to talk Bill Duffy into moving his client here then. And it may be in Duffy's best interest to get some eyeballs into Lavine. We know Luka gets stories from the national media, would help to up his value rather than just winning 30 games a year in Chitown.

Not to mention that coming to Dallas and playing with Luka could get LaVine a shoe deal (with Nico’s help). Would LaVine be interested in a deal with Jordan Brand or Nike?


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[arkuo]

It’s not unheard of for agents to talk to their clients about the upcoming off season. That wouldn’t be tampering since he’s the agent. He’s allowed to talk to his client about all his options at any point.


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This is true. Without Donnie, Cuban and Harrison need to talk Bill Duffy into moving his client here then. And it may be in Duffy's best interest to get some eyeballs into Lavine. We know Luka gets stories from the national media, would help to up his value rather than just winning 30 games a year in Chitown.

Not to mention that coming to Dallas and playing with Luka could get LaVine a shoe deal (with Nico’s help). Would LaVine be interested in a deal with Jordan Brand or Nike?


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That possible shoe deal would be enough motivation for Duffy to convince Lavine. Those extra zeroes added to his bank account in commissions should be very convincing. He stays in Chicago with Vucevic, that's barely a playoff team to be honest.

The chance to get paid the same max, get a chance to win, and add a shoe deal or endorsement package on top of that? That's a no brainer for any player in the league now. EXCEPT if he loves Chicago that much, which I doubt.

[arkuo]

Here's a thought. I hope Kidd plays DFS at PF more since his skills are more suited there. DFS and Kleber are the same player. You can start one, but not both. DFS will get slower as he ages which makes his natural progression to PF have more sense. He plays 3&D and runs inside for follow up dunks. That's a modern day PF. He is what he is at this point. 28 going 29 years of age.

This opens up the SF slot for the Mavs to sign someone who can actually score 15 pts or more per game. I saw a trade idea online about Lowry and Derozan splitting the available cap room and signing in Dallas. Could be nice veteran additions?

C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- DFS / Kleber
SF- Derozan / Green
SG- Doncic / Burke
PG- Lowry / Brunson

[JJP]

I saw that online as well.

If that actually happened, Nico Harrison would be given the keys to the city.

[Mavrelous]

Here's a thought. I hope Kidd plays DFS at PF more since his skills are more suited there. DFS and Kleber are the same player. You can start one, but not both. DFS will get slower as he ages which makes his natural progression to PF have more sense. He plays 3&D and runs inside for follow up dunks. That's a modern day PF. He is what he is at this point. 28 going 29 years of age.

This opens up the SF slot for the Mavs to sign someone who can actually score 15 pts or more per game. I saw a trade idea online about Lowry and Derozan splitting the available cap room and signing in Dallas. Could be nice veteran additions?

C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- DFS / Kleber
SF- Derozan / Green
SG- Doncic / Burke
PG- Lowry / Brunson

DFS was too small for Kawhi, he's no starting 4.

[Mr B]

The importance of adding a veteran is something not a lot of people are talking about either. I mean we’ve talked about adding a player like DeRozen but haven’t talked about just having a veteran presence on this team. Look at what adding Chris Paul did for the Suns. I think it would be very beneficial for the Mavs to add a veteran leading. Someone that has been elite at some point in his career but is now on the down side of his career and is still chasing that ring. DeRozen fits that mold but there are others out there. Would anyone be interested in Melo?


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[arkuo]

Here's a thought. I hope Kidd plays DFS at PF more since his skills are more suited there. DFS and Kleber are the same player. You can start one, but not both. DFS will get slower as he ages which makes his natural progression to PF have more sense. He plays 3&D and runs inside for follow up dunks. That's a modern day PF. He is what he is at this point. 28 going 29 years of age.

This opens up the SF slot for the Mavs to sign someone who can actually score 15 pts or more per game. I saw a trade idea online about Lowry and Derozan splitting the available cap room and signing in Dallas. Could be nice veteran additions?

C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- DFS / Kleber
SF- Derozan / Green
SG- Doncic / Burke
PG- Lowry / Brunson

DFS was too small for Kawhi, he's no starting 4.

I think the term there is soft. DFS too soft.

We have PJ Tucker who is shorter than DFS going toe to toe against KD.

[arkuo]

The importance of adding a veteran is something not a lot of people are talking about either. I mean we’ve talked about adding a player like DeRozen but haven’t talked about just having a veteran presence on this team. Look at what adding Chris Paul did for the Suns. I think it would be very beneficial for the Mavs to add a veteran leading. Someone that has been elite at some point in his career but is now on the down side of his career and is still chasing that ring. DeRozen fits that mold but there are others out there. Would anyone be interested in Melo?


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Cuban knew this. Tried to add Danny Green and Kemba to fill the vet role. Got spurned twice. Too bad though.

Maybe Lowry and Derozan could provide that satbility down the stretch. This Dallas team had difficulty closing games and maintaining leads. Those are signs of inexperience.

[Mavrelous]

Here's a thought. I hope Kidd plays DFS at PF more since his skills are more suited there. DFS and Kleber are the same player. You can start one, but not both. DFS will get slower as he ages which makes his natural progression to PF have more sense. He plays 3&D and runs inside for follow up dunks. That's a modern day PF. He is what he is at this point. 28 going 29 years of age.

This opens up the SF slot for the Mavs to sign someone who can actually score 15 pts or more per game. I saw a trade idea online about Lowry and Derozan splitting the available cap room and signing in Dallas. Could be nice veteran additions?

C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- DFS / Kleber
SF- Derozan / Green
SG- Doncic / Burke
PG- Lowry / Brunson

DFS was too small for Kawhi, he's no starting 4.

I think the term there is soft. DFS too soft.

We have PJ Tucker who is shorter than DFS going toe to toe against KD.

PJ is way thicker than slim DFS.

[JD45]

Portland's Collins fractures his foot again. I think this is the 3rd time in a year. He was on my reclamation project free agents, but now his career could be over. I think Kurt Thomas came back from multiple foot fractures and had a long career, but seems like most don't.

[Dirk]

Portland's Collins fractures his foot again. I think this is the 3rd time in a year. He was on my reclamation project free agents, but now his career could be over. I think Kurt Thomas came back from multiple foot fractures and had a long career, but seems like most don't.

Good call. I liked Collins. Poor guy... he hasn't played in a year and is out indefinitely again!?

[Mavrelous]

Portland's Collins fractures his foot again. I think this is the 3rd time in a year. He was on my reclamation project free agents, but now his career could be over. I think Kurt Thomas came back from multiple foot fractures and had a long career, but seems like most don't.

Tough luck, I had my eyes on him as a good defensive big man, hope he can return from all these injuries.

[Apz]

So just get any old player in and he brings vet leadership? Wtf u guys smoking over there? DDR? Melo? Thats no leadership. Sure they are old, but might aswell resign jjb or dirk if we just want an old player. Could get j johnson or lee back, they got more vet leadership then those guys mentioned. Only one remotely compareable to paul is lowry that might be available, but i dont like paying him the money he wants for the years he want. Vet leadership is more of an attitude then it is skill. Its to not have young guys evolve bad habits, show the way, fight hard and set standards in the team. Can u imagine melos influence? Sure u can, watch ny a few years ago. DDR doesnt play defense, its beneath him. That the kind of attitude u want in your team?

[JJP]

Cynt Marshall addresses Kidd's abuse issues

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2021/06/29/cynt-marshall-jason-kidd-had-long-conversations-about-his-2001-domestic-abuse-charge/

[Mr B]

So just get any old player in and he brings vet leadership? Wtf u guys smoking over there? DDR? Melo? Thats no leadership. Sure they are old, but might aswell resign jjb or dirk if we just want an old player. Could get j johnson or lee back, they got more vet leadership then those guys mentioned. Only one remotely compareable to paul is lowry that might be available, but i dont like paying him the money he wants for the years he want. Vet leadership is more of an attitude then it is skill. Its to not have young guys evolve bad habits, show the way, fight hard and set standards in the team. Can u imagine melos influence? Sure u can, watch ny a few years ago. DDR doesnt play defense, its beneath him. That the kind of attitude u want in your team?

How is DeRozen any different than Shawn Marion? And regardless of what you think there really is no difference between Melo and Chris Paul. I’m speaking in terms of veteran impact and leadership obviously and not style of play. Look at Utah with Conley, they wouldn’t have made it to the 2nd round without him. And no, it can’t be just some bum. It has to be someone that was at least a really good player. That’s the only way that veteran is going to command respect from Luka. Melo has his flaws but Melo can get buckets and he’s going to finish in the top 10 all time in points (he already there). Once he was humbled in Portland he seems to have finally realized he’s near the end of his career and not the same offensive force he was in the past.

Now before you fire back, I’m not saying Melo HAS to be the guy. I’m just saying he’s an option. Along with Conley, DeRozen, and Lowry. Honestly if the Mavs wanted to go fairly cheap (maybe the small exception or vet min) for a veteran how about Patty Mills. He’s small but if he can replace Brunson (after he’s traded) that might be a good role for him. Also my hope is that Hinton can beat out Trey Burke in camp (if either or both is still here).


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[Mr B]

Any chance Toronto would have an interest in a extended Brunson? By all accounts they are prepared to lose Lowry. Instead of letting him just walk would it make sense (for the Raptors) to sign and trade Lowry for Brunson?


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[Mr B]

Or if not for Lowry how about a sign and trade of THJ for Duncan Robinson?

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[arkuo]

Or if not for Lowry how about a sign and trade of THJ for Duncan Robinson?

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LOL probably THJ's camp sending out feelers in case Mavs let him walk. Yeah S&T for Duncan Robinson works too.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah Miami isn't signing both of them.