Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[zaz102]

I'm sure Sixers fans will talk themselves into the team if they run it back. That's what the fan base does. Come the fall, fans will believe Simmons will start scoring and shooting jumpers like has happened almost every year since he's been drafted. And believe that Harris can develop into a closer. I don't think the fans actually believe it, but fans want hope so they talk themselves into it. And then the hopes will be dashed yet again and the cycle continues.

But frankly, it doesn't matter if the fans buy in or not. It matters if Embiid does. And if they run it back and have another disappointing playoffs, he's going to want out of here in the worst way. So before you talk yourself into running it back, keep in mind it could possibly cost you Joel Embiid.

I would be shocked if this teams ends next season by running it back. They almost made a major trade 2x last year and I'm sure are feeling a lot more pressure for next year.

Morey didn't say much in his end of year press conference, but what he did say was he had to do a better job getting the right players to help them win. I guess he could mean minor moves, but based on what I said in the first paragraph, I think he's looking for more.

Well theres about 50 coaches, research and development and strategy and analytics guys working on it right now if it makes you feel better.

I'm not worried about it. I trust Morey.

I think a big issue the team had was the poor and constant change of FO leadership during the critical years where they needed direction.

I think Morey is a good leader and can provide that direction. He's obviously a lot smarter and successful at being an NBA GM than me, everyone on this board, and most of other GMs in the NBA.

[Iverson Armband]

I was talking abotu GSW players. You do need stars, just not a whole team full of them like people on here want.

Sixers have their stars too.

They have one. Singular.

I dunno a 3x all-star and all-nba team player seems like a star to me.

Cool, now would you like me to list all of what doesn’t seem like one?

That tired well is running dry. Quick.

So I hope you and Ben enjoy it while it lasts. I hope he soaked it all in and really took in the ASG sights this year, because all of that is coming to a screeching halt

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

You trade Ben, you have to trade half the team to fit whatever new identity the team has. Morey will consult Doc, Doc will say lets run it back.

If Morey thinks we have a shot (Embiid healthy, Simmons improved) at the title he'll pull the trigger on some better talent to fit around Ben and JoJo,

Sixers were no.1 in the east and their defensive fast paced play was destroying teams. Don't forget Ben and JoJo are young and everyone has to lose a few times in the playoffs to rise up to where they need to be to win. Also this was Doc and Morey's first year, neither of them knew what would work and what wouldn't.

Be excited to run it back.

Sorry, but this playoff loss is going to remain fresh for quite some time. It's going to have a super long shelf life! I'm talking box of pasta shelf life. Not gonna forget this one any time soon and the idea of running it back at the moment sounds like a bad one. Now, I personally would be fine running it back IF we somehow were able to trade for Collin Sexton while keeping Simmons, Tobias, and Embiid. We need a scoring guard. There's literally no arguing that. If the team thinks Maxey can take a huge step and be that guy for us, then i'm going to trust the process, but I think Morey is looking to add talent, and I think Ben Simmons is very much available for trade at this time. Again, that may change. We'll see how the draft shakes out. If we can make moves on draft night and creep into the lotto or late lotto to take Trey Mann or a another scoring guard, i'll be fine running it back. But we have to add talent and it has to be in the form of a scoring guard.

You really thought they would win it all in Doc's first year after a couple of hasty trades? I didnt...

We should have beaten Atlanta, c'mon now.

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They have one. Singular.

I dunno a 3x all-star and all-nba team player seems like a star to me.

Cool, now would you like me to list all of what doesn’t seem like one?

That tired well is running dry. Quick.

So I hope you and Ben enjoy it while it lasts. I hope he soaked it all in and really took in the ASG sights this year, because all of that is coming to a screeching halt

He became a useless player overnight? You honestly believe that?

$hit if we gave up on players after a bad finals series there would be no LeBron, Harden, Paul George, Kobe etc in the league.

[eyeatoma]

I dunno a 3x all-star and all-nba team player seems like a star to me.

Cool, now would you like me to list all of what doesn’t seem like one?

That tired well is running dry. Quick.

So I hope you and Ben enjoy it while it lasts. I hope he soaked it all in and really took in the ASG sights this year, because all of that is coming to a screeching halt

He became a useless player overnight? You honestly believe that?

$hit if we gave up on players after a bad finals series there would be no LeBron, Harden, Paul George, Kobe etc in the league.

He's had a bad series for 4 years now.

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Cool, now would you like me to list all of what doesn’t seem like one?

That tired well is running dry. Quick.

So I hope you and Ben enjoy it while it lasts. I hope he soaked it all in and really took in the ASG sights this year, because all of that is coming to a screeching halt

He became a useless player overnight? You honestly believe that?

$hit if we gave up on players after a bad finals series there would be no LeBron, Harden, Paul George, Kobe etc in the league.

He's had a bad series for 4 years now.

Well, he's played in 3.

One of them the keys were thrown to Butler.

One of them was his rookie year.

Then this year - which despite all the Ben pile on was a team effort in losing.

But I agree, he is inexperienced and needs to get better in these situations. Which probably means having him score more in the regular season if you want him to start scorign in the playoffs.

[ConstableChaos]

Let's say Trae's Offense = Ben's Defense and Trae's Defense = Ben's offense

It is much harder to hide Ben's offense, rather than expose Trae's defense as we just saw in the previous series.

In saying that it is much easier to fix Ben's offense, since 90% of it must be between the ears (Trae will always be a poor defender simply due to his size). Hopefully this guy matures (not sure if that's the right word?), locks himself in a gym and just works on his game rather than posting videos of pull up 3's. I've been saying this for years - but if THIS failure in the playoffs doesn't get his head right i'm not sure what will

A change of scenery would be best for all parties involved.

[Kobblehead]

Defense will never be equal to offenses lol

Luka was destroying Kawhi and PG
Trae was destroying Simmons and Thybulle
Kawhi destroyed Ben and Jimmy

etc

Defense will never hold a candle to offense

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Defense will never be equal to offenses lol

Luka was destroying Kawhi and PG
Trae was destroying Simmons and Thybulle
Kawhi destroyed Ben and Jimmy

etc

Defense will never hold a candle to offense

3 of the 4 teams in the conf finals are top 10 defense. The other is the Hawks who are 16th or something.

Last year's champs no.1 defense.

The GSW defense was legendary.

[DCasey91]

I still abide by top 10 defense and top 10 offense. It comes hand in hand.

Defense is always important especially in the playoffs when everything slows down a touch and way more halfcourt play.

[DCasey91]

GSW had a godly perimeter setup

Iggy, Thompson, Green and Durant is some length and versatility.

Also Lakers had AD/LBJ which destroys small ball. Made Herro and Robinson massive liabilities.

Hence why splitting up Embiid/Ben without enough received back might not have the results that everyone is expecting. It basically guarantees the first part of the equation (defense).

We are the Raptors without Leonard lol.

[kuclas]

I still abide by top 10 defense and top 10 offense. It comes hand in hand.

Defense is always important especially in the playoffs when everything slows down a touch and way more halfcourt play.

Defense wasn’t the issue with Sixers except
For the first half of the first game.

The issue was offense the last 5 minutes of games 4-5/7. And a lot of blame is Simmons. And a fatigued Embiid. It’s a bad combination. Your star point guard unwilling to score and can’t make free throws. Your star center can’t make plays during crunch time.

[DCasey91]

I get that trust me I do. It’s fitting a square peg into a big hole ain’t going to work (this goes for Embiid hyper centrism too).

I still believe we are actually not that far off offensively wise.

We held the Hawks to very modest totals it wasn’t the defense that was the problem.

I’m fine for sacking Ben for the 2nd option.

For me I would move Harris first but that’s me. Both could be gone that’s cool. But expectation might be different and not what is expected to be.

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It wasn't bens role to score all year. You can't expect him to take it on in crunch time in playoff games.

[okboomer]

I still abide by top 10 defense and top 10 offense. It comes hand in hand.

Defense is always important especially in the playoffs when everything slows down a touch and way more halfcourt play.

I dont know the stats but this does seem like the teams recently in the finals were top 10 in both. Dont think you can be average to below average in either one. But ultimately you need players who can put the ball in the hoop, which the 76ers have a problem with. These consistent 4 minute scoring droughts normally dont end well in the playoffs.

[youngcrev]

Let's say Trae's Offense = Ben's Defense and Trae's Defense = Ben's offense

It is much harder to hide Ben's offense, rather than expose Trae's defense as we just saw in the previous series.

In saying that it is much easier to fix Ben's offense, since 90% of it must be between the ears (Trae will always be a poor defender simply due to his size). Hopefully this guy matures (not sure if that's the right word?), locks himself in a gym and just works on his game rather than posting videos of pull up 3's. I've been saying this for years - but if THIS failure in the playoffs doesn't get his head right i'm not sure what will

A change of scenery would be best for all parties involved.

I don't think that's the case.

Ben's a low impact half court player, but when he's not terrified to touch the ball he's not a liability on that end. He's limited in what he can do, but it's not like he's normally a complete zero on that end like a Thybulle.

The difference is simply that elite individual offense is more valuable than elite individual defense. Always been the case, but particularly with how the game is called now.

[DCasey91]

If you can get Lowry and CJ while keeping Ben then do that. (Harris and Milton for CJ).

Lowry
CJ
3&D for cheap
Ben
Embiid

6th man: Curry
Maxey
GRob III (would be handy pickup imo)
28th pick
Reed as the backup

Super easy. That setup has top ten in both departments written all over it. Ben is 4th option. Ballhandlers, scorers, playmakers, shooting.

Maxey I’d keep over Milton (Surplus with a great contract) and Thybulle (not the ideal team for him).
Plus Hill’s expiring. So you can replenish the stock down the line.

I think this can work out.

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The two blowout games were won. The bench shouldn't have been in

[Kobblehead]

Top 10 offense and top 10 defense will come naturally if you build your team the right way.

Get PFs and Cs that defend. Get PG, SGs and SFs that score off the dribble.

[Sportfan73]

The two blowout games were won. The bench shouldn't have been in

This. Docs rotations lost those games and the series way more than anything Ben did or didn’t do