Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[cpower]

i am actually ok with Derozan, depends on how we get him though

[xdrta+]

i am actually ok with Derozan, depends on how we get him though

He's a free agent. Unless you think he'll sign for the MLE, you can't get him.

[cpower]

i am actually ok with Derozan, depends on how we get him though

He's a free agent. Unless you think he'll sign for the MLE, you can't get him.

spurs are under the cap so they can do SnT with Oubre and pick?

[xdrta+]

i am actually ok with Derozan, depends on how we get him though

He's a free agent. Unless you think he'll sign for the MLE, you can't get him.

spurs are under the cap so they can do SnT with Oubre and pick?

The Warriors would have to receive DeRozan in a S&T which they can't do. Their salary is over the Apron which means they can't receive a player in a sign-and-trade. They could send one out (Oubre) but they can't receive one.

[azwfan]

I'm all in on DeRozan for the minimum. Fire Bob if he can't get it done!

[Scoots1994]

Man.. a 7+14+Wiseman+Wiggins+Paschal trade for Lillard might look very good to Portland..

I saw some crazy speculation of the Sixers offering literally everything but Embiid for Dame (any combination of players in addition to Simmons and all their first and first swaps). No way the Warriors are in it.

[ILOVEIT]

I thought trades between teams could not include two sign and trades for those two players?


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They don't seem to realize that the Warriors can't receive a player in a S&T, their team salary is too high, it's above the Apron. You would think they would look at those things before they put out something like that.

Thank you.

[whatisacenter]

Slater was on the Game today and stated that the Warriors couldn’t take back a player in an Oubre S&T because it would trigger the hard cap…SMH the hosts getting it wrong would be bad enough but when the insider says it I lose a little respect.

Edit: and he didn’t differentiate between a player under contract or not. Said all they could get is a TPE.

[FNQ]

Slater was on the Game today and stated that the Warriors couldn’t take back a player in an Oubre S&T because it would trigger the hard cap…SMH the hosts getting it wrong would be bad enough but when the insider says it I lose a little respect.

Edit: and he didn’t differentiate between a player under contract or not. Said all they could get is a TPE.

That was my understanding of it too actually. The Coon FAQ says that if you get "a player" back, not "the player".. which I read as getting any player back for the S&T makes the apron the hard cap.

Either way I'm not concerned. If the Warriors wanted that salary slot they could have a trade before. And I really dont think Oubre gets us anything in a S&T anyways, I figure the team paying him the salary he wants has suffered enough already

[MUhoops]

Just messing with the trade checker for fun, not likely but could see Christian Wood, Collin Sexton and some of these other pieces being in play. I'd doubt this many teams would agree to pick swaps in the top 4, just throwing this out for entertainment.

Warriors Get:

Pascal Siakam, PF (from TOR)
Taurean Prince, PF (from CLE)


Toronto Raptors get:

#2 pick (from HOU)
#18 pick (from HOU)
#14 pick (from GSW)
future 1st (from GSW)
Andrew Wiggins, SF (from GSW)


Cleveland Cavaliers get:

Christian Wood, C (from HOU)
Eric Paschall, PF (from GSW)
Alen Smallagic, PF (from GSW)
#4 pick (from TOR)


Houston Rockets get:

James Wiseman, C (from GSW)
Collin Sexton, PG (from CLE)
#3 pick (from CLE)

[Commodor]

Just messing with the trade checker for fun, not likely but could see Christian Wood, Collin Sexton and some of these other pieces being in play. I'd doubt this many teams would agree to pick swaps in the top 4, just throwing this out for entertainment.

Warriors Get:

Pascal Siakam, PF (from TOR)
Taurean Prince, PF (from CLE)


Toronto Raptors get:

#2 pick (from HOU)
#18 pick (from HOU)
#14 pick (from GSW)
future 1st (from GSW)
Andrew Wiggins, SF (from GSW)


Cleveland Cavaliers get:

Christian Wood, C (from HOU)
Eric Paschall, PF (from GSW)
Alen Smallagic, PF (from GSW)
#4 pick (from TOR)


Houston Rockets get:

James Wiseman, C (from GSW)
Collin Sexton, PG (from CLE)
#3 pick (from CLE)

So warriors trade a bunch of assets for two power forwards? Even tough they already have Green and JTA locked into that spot?

That's gonna be a no from me dog.

[Commodor]

Look like Dallas is interested in Oubre this summer. They should have a lot of cap room but also have guys like THJ or Boban to resign.

I wonder if there is a situation where we may be able to facilitate a S&T for a TPE or late round pick if they end up near the cap.

[FNQ]

Look like Dallas is interested in Oubre this summer. They should have a lot of cap room but also have guys like THJ or Boban to resign.

I wonder if there is a situation where we may be able to facilitate a S&T for a TPE or late round pick if they end up near the cap.

If they end up near the cap, then we'd only get a small TE (useless) and have to take a player back... I just wouldnt expect anything from Oubre walking

[ChuckDurn]

One thing that occurred to me (but which I’m not a fan of)……. A lot of the trade scenarios bandied about have the Warriors dealing Wiggins, but not getting a SF in return.

Were we to do that, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Warriors then try to re-sign Oubre, to play SF. If they think they can bring him back (and WANT TO), it’s a different way to look at the value of any Wiggins deal. Almost like thinking “we’re also getting Oubre back in the trade”. Otherwise, I assume they expect that Oubre (or more accurately, his contract slot) will be leaving, and it’s unlikely they’ll get anything back on his departure.

Again, I’m not a big fan of it, but that could play into some of the Warriors’ thinking in considering potential deals…… that they could just bring back Oubre to fill an open slot at SF.

[Mob Byers]

One thing that occurred to me (but which I’m not a fan of)……. A lot of the trade scenarios bandied about have the Warriors dealing Wiggins, but not getting a SF in return.

Were we to do that, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Warriors then try to re-sign Oubre, to play SF. If they think they can bring him back (and WANT TO), it’s a different way to look at the value of any Wiggins deal. Almost like thinking “we’re also getting Oubre back in the trade”. Otherwise, I assume they expect that Oubre (or more accurately, his contract slot) will be leaving, and it’s unlikely they’ll get anything back on his departure.

Again, I’m not a big fan of it, but that could play into some of the Warriors’ thinking in considering potential deals…… that they could just bring back Oubre to fill an open slot at SF.

That would be disappointing, I don't see it.

[whatisacenter]

One thing that occurred to me (but which I’m not a fan of)……. A lot of the trade scenarios bandied about have the Warriors dealing Wiggins, but not getting a SF in return.

Were we to do that, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Warriors then try to re-sign Oubre, to play SF. If they think they can bring him back (and WANT TO), it’s a different way to look at the value of any Wiggins deal. Almost like thinking “we’re also getting Oubre back in the trade”. Otherwise, I assume they expect that Oubre (or more accurately, his contract slot) will be leaving, and it’s unlikely they’ll get anything back on his departure.

Again, I’m not a big fan of it, but that could play into some of the Warriors’ thinking in considering potential deals…… that they could just bring back Oubre to fill an open slot at SF.

Yeah, not a fan as well but good point.

[and1GS]

I hate to break it to the rest of the NBA but we are not paying an Andrew Wiggins tax as high as the #14 pick or a lightly protected future first. Think 1-2 seconds or a top 25 protected first at most.

[Scoots1994]

One interesting thing I've seen almost not noted at all ... the Warriors could sign and KEEP Oubre. No question it would HORRIBLY expensive, but when he was playing well and when he had a defined role late in the year he was a good player for the Warriors, and it's possible the Warriors could choose to spend the money to keep him and keep the money slot available. If he's off the team by the end of the season the tax penalty is mitigated some (I think).

[xdrta+]

One interesting thing I've seen almost not noted at all ... the Warriors could sign and KEEP Oubre. No question it would HORRIBLY expensive, but when he was playing well and when he had a defined role late in the year he was a good player for the Warriors, and it's possible the Warriors could choose to spend the money to keep him and keep the money slot available. If he's off the team by the end of the season the tax penalty is mitigated some (I think).

The tax is computed on the team salary as of the day of the last regular season game. If a player is traded away before the end of the season, then none of his salary is taxed.

[ILOVEIT]

One interesting thing I've seen almost not noted at all ... the Warriors could sign and KEEP Oubre. No question it would HORRIBLY expensive, but when he was playing well and when he had a defined role late in the year he was a good player for the Warriors, and it's possible the Warriors could choose to spend the money to keep him and keep the money slot available. If he's off the team by the end of the season the tax penalty is mitigated some (I think).

The tax is computed on the team salary as of the day of the last regular season game. If a player is traded away before the end of the season, then none of his salary is taxed.

Really appreciate your knowledge and details on these things! Thank you. I prefer to make trades why firmly standing in the clouds lol