Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[PhillyNj]

I'd definitely move DLo in a Simmons trade before moving Beasley. Malik is the type of flamethrower you need around Simmons to maximize his impact.

I generally agree. I’d take Beasley on his contract over DLo on his. But if a Simmons trade is made, I wonder if DLo’s connections will be taken into account. BFF to KAT and HS teammate to Simmons.

DLo isn't getting traded for Simmons, I don't think they want to trade Beasley in the deal either.

Pretty sure your correct most Sixers fans don’t want Dlo.
Looks to me if Simmons goes to the wolves(big if) Edwards has to go somewhere else.

[SO_MONEY]

I generally agree. I’d take Beasley on his contract over DLo on his. But if a Simmons trade is made, I wonder if DLo’s connections will be taken into account. BFF to KAT and HS teammate to Simmons.

DLo isn't getting traded for Simmons, I don't think they want to trade Beasley in the deal either.

Pretty sure your correct most Sixers fans don’t want Dlo.
Looks to me if Simmons goes to the wolves(big if) Edwards has to go somewhere else.

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[Howard Cosell]

I generally agree. I’d take Beasley on his contract over DLo on his. But if a Simmons trade is made, I wonder if DLo’s connections will be taken into account. BFF to KAT and HS teammate to Simmons.

DLo isn't getting traded for Simmons, I don't think they want to trade Beasley in the deal either.

Pretty sure your correct most Sixers fans don’t want Dlo.
Looks to me if Simmons goes to the wolves(big if) Edwards has to go somewhere else.

[jpatrick]

If it went up to a neutral group, like a trade board, I guarantee that they would say Edwards had more value on his rookie deal than Simmons does making 35m a year.

But I see proposed deals on the Philly board that have us moving Edwards plus other assets for Simmons. Unrealistic. But every fan base does that.

I actually think our front office values Edwards more than anyone else on the roster, including KAT. He’s simply the future of the franchise.

[Neeva]

Yep wolves would move Kat before Ant. Time to stop trying to shape this roster around Kat and keeping his ass happy. Build this roster around Ant.

[Howard Cosell]

Most fanbases are underestimating the season Edwards just had as a rookie (who is still only 19 years old) without a summer league or much of a preseason camp. The numbers Edwards put up in the 2nd half of the season and the way he did it was historic…historic for a young 19 year old at the time.

Edwards not being traded to Philly. It’s beyond absurd.

[Wolf_Cry]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to trade away any more first rounders, even if they're protected? Trying not to count the chickens before they hatch, but going forth if we're going to be perennial play off participants or contenders, generally the best way to build a team from that point are mid draft picks. Remember that getting Simmons here means we virtually will have no more money to spend except for the Exceptions. I know I'm getting way ahead of myself, but those years of KG-led teams with no room for growth thanks to the Joe Smith scandal still haunts me.

All circumstantial… I mean look at us since the Joe Smith era… we haven’t exactly rocked it regardless picks or trades. At some point you need to work to acquire some battle tested players that fill holes if you wanna talk playoffs. Draft picks come and go, but there are some hidden gems every year … to me the bigger challenge is the fact too many players are way overpaid under guaranteed contracts that teams cannot shed - without giving up a pick to dump it.

I’m 50/50 on Simmons, we need defense, but because Ant and McD’s progress into year two is unknown … will it be the sophomore slump or do they take a step forward. It’s a weird roster. One without a team leader. I gotta trust Finch right now more than anyone - I think he is the key to selecting the right path

I hear ya. Our draft picks haven't exactly worked out, but I still think that's the best way to improve a team that will be basically above the luxury tax for many years. And like you said, not only can you find gems in the later rounds but we need them in case certain contracts need to be shed...

[Wolf_Cry]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to trade away any more first rounders, even if they're protected? Trying not to count the chickens before they hatch, but going forth if we're going to be perennial play off participants or contenders, generally the best way to build a team from that point are mid draft picks. Remember that getting Simmons here means we virtually will have no more money to spend except for the Exceptions. I know I'm getting way ahead of myself, but those years of KG-led teams with no room for growth thanks to the Joe Smith scandal still haunts me.

Understandable. But at the same time, the franchises are at different points of development.

Just look at the ages of the roster. In 2001 (the first year of the forfeited picks), the youngest player on the team was third-year player Will Avery at 22 years old. On last year's roster, 8 of the 16 players on the roster were 22 or younger.

I guess if we're banking on the potential of the youth on the roster, that's a reasonable take. However, aside from McDaniels and Ant, that's pretty much it, right? Culver and Okogie are who they are- high energy players who have no offense. Beasley is still technically young, but I don't think he's got the ability to really change his game up. Nowell/Naz/Vanderbilt are bench guys. So basically if we do the trade and give up picks, this team may be stuck with what it is for a long time.

[SO_MONEY]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to trade away any more first rounders, even if they're protected? Trying not to count the chickens before they hatch, but going forth if we're going to be perennial play off participants or contenders, generally the best way to build a team from that point are mid draft picks. Remember that getting Simmons here means we virtually will have no more money to spend except for the Exceptions. I know I'm getting way ahead of myself, but those years of KG-led teams with no room for growth thanks to the Joe Smith scandal still haunts me.

All circumstantial… I mean look at us since the Joe Smith era… we haven’t exactly rocked it regardless picks or trades. At some point you need to work to acquire some battle tested players that fill holes if you wanna talk playoffs. Draft picks come and go, but there are some hidden gems every year … to me the bigger challenge is the fact too many players are way overpaid under guaranteed contracts that teams cannot shed - without giving up a pick to dump it.

I’m 50/50 on Simmons, we need defense, but because Ant and McD’s progress into year two is unknown … will it be the sophomore slump or do they take a step forward. It’s a weird roster. One without a team leader. I gotta trust Finch right now more than anyone - I think he is the key to selecting the right path

I hear ya. Our draft picks haven't exactly worked out, but I still think that's the best way to improve a team that will be basically above the luxury tax for many years. And like you said, not only can you find gems in the later rounds but we need them in case certain contracts need to be shed...

I wouldn't want to trade more than one of our own picks, but one shouldn't bother us that much. If we are trading multiple of our own picks is sure shouldn't be for Simmons...and I don't think it will be. If we trade two firsts for Simmons the second should be gained by taking advantage of this being a weak draft and the trade value of picks likely being regained You might just be able to buy a pick.

[Klomp]

Yep wolves would move Kat before Ant. Time to stop trying to shape this roster around Kat and keeping his ass happy. Build this roster around Ant.

Two different questions. Lakers built their roster around Shaq but were still willing to move Shaq before Kobe.

[Klomp]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to trade away any more first rounders, even if they're protected? Trying not to count the chickens before they hatch, but going forth if we're going to be perennial play off participants or contenders, generally the best way to build a team from that point are mid draft picks. Remember that getting Simmons here means we virtually will have no more money to spend except for the Exceptions. I know I'm getting way ahead of myself, but those years of KG-led teams with no room for growth thanks to the Joe Smith scandal still haunts me.

Understandable. But at the same time, the franchises are at different points of development.

Just look at the ages of the roster. In 2001 (the first year of the forfeited picks), the youngest player on the team was third-year player Will Avery at 22 years old. On last year's roster, 8 of the 16 players on the roster were 22 or younger.

I guess if we're banking on the potential of the youth on the roster, that's a reasonable take. However, aside from McDaniels and Ant, that's pretty much it, right? Culver and Okogie are who they are- high energy players who have no offense. Beasley is still technically young, but I don't think he's got the ability to really change his game up. Nowell/Naz/Vanderbilt are bench guys. So basically if we do the trade and give up picks, this team may be stuck with what it is for a long time.

Those are two pretty important pieces, no?

[Worm Guts]

Yep wolves would move Kat before Ant. Time to stop trying to shape this roster around Kat and keeping his ass happy. Build this roster around Ant.

Two different questions. Lakers built their roster around Shaq but were still willing to move Shaq before Kobe.

They built around Shaq when he was 25, traded him when he was 30 and Kobe was at the beginning of his prime. They wouldn’t have been more willing to trade Shaq during Kobe’s first or second year.

[Klomp]

Yep wolves would move Kat before Ant. Time to stop trying to shape this roster around Kat and keeping his ass happy. Build this roster around Ant.

Two different questions. Lakers built their roster around Shaq but were still willing to move Shaq before Kobe.

They built around Shaq when he was 25, traded him when he was 30 and Kobe was at the beginning of his prime. They wouldn’t have been more willing to trade Shaq during Kobe’s first or second year.

Shaq was 25, Kobe was 19
Towns is 25, Ant is 19

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I generally agree. I’d take Beasley on his contract over DLo on his. But if a Simmons trade is made, I wonder if DLo’s connections will be taken into account. BFF to KAT and HS teammate to Simmons.

DLo isn't getting traded for Simmons, I don't think they want to trade Beasley in the deal either.

Pretty sure your correct most Sixers fans don’t want Dlo.
Looks to me if Simmons goes to the wolves(big if) Edwards has to go somewhere else.

Heh. Well we’re wasting our time then

[XtremeDunkz]

Not sure why you guys think Morey would fall for trading Simmons for scumbag Beasley and protected firsts. Let's at least pretend to be realistic.

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[shangrila]

Not sure why you guys think Morey would fall for trading Simmons for scumbag Beasley and protected firsts. Let's at least pretend to be realistic.

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It's more what we'd be willing to give up. Or some of us, anyway. There's a fair few that aren't interested at all.

And honestly, after perusing the thread over on the 76ers board, I don't think anyone is being particularly realistic. Lillard and Edwards seem to be targets for you guys, for example, and at this point Simmons doesn't have the value to get either.

In all likelihood the Sixers keep Ben and try to run it back with minor tweaks. But it's the offseason so we're all bored without speculation.

[Howard Cosell]

Not sure why you guys think Morey would fall for trading Simmons for scumbag Beasley and protected firsts. Let's at least pretend to be realistic.

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1st of all….there isn’t anyone here who is saying Beasley + protected FRP’s would get it done for Simmons.

2nd, most Twolves fans are at consensus when understanding 76ers need a Win-Now player in the deal for Morey to pull the trigger and Twolves might not have the player 76ers need so a 3rd team would be need to be included…example:Toronto(Lowry).

Simmons will come at a cost for any team trying to obtain him in a deal with Morey. But believing Simmons has the value in the market for 76ers to get Edwards in a deal is a complete misunderstanding of the current value of Simmons. 76ers fans are overreaching, which is natural at this point.

[Norseman79]

What would a sign and trade for Spencer Dinwiddie likely cost? I don't want him on the Wolves per say, but as part of three team deal....

[fattymcgee]

Not sure why you guys think Morey would fall for trading Simmons for scumbag Beasley and protected firsts. Let's at least pretend to be realistic.

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Morey did give up the better player (Chris Paul) for Westbrook, plus he gave up two 1st round picks, plus two 1st round pick swaps. He usually gets the better end of the deal but he got fleeced here.

[jpatrick]

Not sure why you guys think Morey would fall for trading Simmons for scumbag Beasley and protected firsts. Let's at least pretend to be realistic.

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It's more what we'd be willing to give up. Or some of us, anyway. There's a fair few that aren't interested at all.

And honestly, after perusing the thread over on the 76ers board, I don't think anyone is being particularly realistic. Lillard and Edwards seem to be targets for you guys, for example, and at this point Simmons doesn't have the value to get either.

In all likelihood the Sixers keep Ben and try to run it back with minor tweaks. But it's the offseason so we're all bored without speculation.

Anything is possible, but I’m not sure running it back is realistic either. When Simmons has failed in past playoffs, I feel like everyone kinda had his back. This year, you have Embiid and Doc both taking at least subtle shots at home immediately following game six. Does Embiid sign an extension if Simmons, who doesn’t work well with Embiid, comes back?

I think a trade is made but it’ll be interesting to see what they get. You’d have to think a perimeter player that can create is a must return. I don’t think Lillard or Beal will hit the market, so do they accept a Sexton or McCollum (both bad fits with Maxey)? Do they take something like our deal where they get Beasley and then a PG from elsewhere swapped for our picks (Lowery, Ball, FVF, Brogdon)?

Morey’s as good GM. He isn’t going to panic.