MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[contract]

From all indications the Heat are not planning on letting Duncan explore free agency. They are expecting to offer him their deal before free agency starts. Nunn is the player they want to see what the market dictates and match if its reasonable

Why throw money at him before we see what kind of market exists for him? And why would he sign before testing the waters?

[contract]

From all indications the Heat are not planning on letting Duncan explore free agency. They are expecting to offer him their deal before free agency starts. Nunn is the player they want to see what the market dictates and match if its reasonable

Why throw money at him before we see what kind of market exists for him? And why would he sign before testing the waters?

Never mind ... I found the answer.

"If a team matches an offer sheet and retains its free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent..."

[Kobewade11]

There’s really no incentive for Duncan to not test the market.

[unowen85]

The Heat organization should seriously consider Baker Acting Riley if it looks like he’s about to give Robinson that deal.

[AirP.]

I don't think that's what happened. I think Giannis' and Bam's agent used the prospect of Giannis coming to strongarm the Heat into giving Bam his extension last offseason.

They didn't strong-arm the Heat, he would have gotten a max contract from someone this off-season even if he had a major injury, it was already a forgone conclusion. So Miami offered the max contract with an incentive for themselves... a 5-year extension with no player option. Getting a max years contract without a player option gives the team more time or more leverage if they want to move Bam.

We're trying to win now. Flexibility today is worth a ton more than anything that may happen 3 years down the line.

Yeah, we got strong armed.

Miami could have said they wanted to see Bam do well a 2nd full year before handing out a max deal. It made 0 difference in his pay this last season whether he signed it last off-season or this upcoming one. What did change is what Miami could ask for loyalty in return as in no player option like many young players ask for.

[MettaWorldPanda]

5 reasons reporting interest in THJ. I for one would love getting THJ down here. His old man Timmy was by far one of my favorite players of all time back to his Run TMC days and of course the great memories he brought this franchise. Seeing Tim Jr on the Heat just feels right.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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THJ could really press the Mavs here into a S&T. Dragic and Okpala might get it done. I mean the Mavs should be thrilled with that offer.

[AirP.]

Duncan Robinson... incredible 3pt shooter, a bad defender, he can't create his own shot, and in the last 2 seasons he's averaged 13.5 and then 13.1 points while having plays ran specifically for him. It looks like just another bad contract being handed out by Miami. Hopefully they do a S&T with him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Duncan Robinson... incredible 3pt shooter, a bad defender, he can't create his own shot, and in the last 2 seasons, he's averaged 13.5 and then 13.1 points while having plays ran specifically for him. It looks like just another bad contract being handed out by Miami. Hopefully they do a S&T with him.

If they can S&T trade for THJ we really have no reason overpaying Duncan as a backup 2. I would then S&T Duncan for picks and trade exception.

[Flash4thewin]

They didn't strong-arm the Heat, he would have gotten a max contract from someone this off-season even if he had a major injury, it was already a forgone conclusion. So Miami offered the max contract with an incentive for themselves... a 5-year extension with no player option. Getting a max years contract without a player option gives the team more time or more leverage if they want to move Bam.

We're trying to win now. Flexibility today is worth a ton more than anything that may happen 3 years down the line.

Yeah, we got strong armed.

Miami could have said they wanted to see Bam do well a 2nd full year before handing out a max deal. It made 0 difference in his pay this last season whether he signed it last off-season or this upcoming one. What did change is what Miami could ask for loyalty in return as in no player option like many young players ask for.

Isn’t that what happened? Bam doesn’t have an option in his last year. The market indicated Bam needed to be paid or he and his agent would rightfully demand a trade. I don’t blame Bam at all, this is his first contract.

[Flash4thewin]

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THJ could really press the Mavs here into a S&T. Dragic and Okpala might get it done. I mean the Mavs should be thrilled with that offer.

Not really, not to mention we would be paying THJ a starting salary of at least 23 mil, and if the Mavs don’t want to play via a trade and I don’t blame them because that offer is trash, we would need to renounce everyone and then they can sign Dragic for the MLE or even less.

[AirP.]

We're trying to win now. Flexibility today is worth a ton more than anything that may happen 3 years down the line.

Yeah, we got strong armed.

Miami could have said they wanted to see Bam do well a 2nd full year before handing out a max deal. It made 0 difference in his pay this last season whether he signed it last off-season or this upcoming one. What did change is what Miami could ask for loyalty in return as in no player option like many young players ask for.

Isn’t that what happened? Bam doesn’t have an option in his last year. The market indicated Bam needed to be paid or he and his agent would rightfully demand a trade. I don’t blame Bam at all, this is his first contract.

Miami could have waited another year and offered the same exact contract, Bam saw 0 of that money because he signed a year early. The only thing that changed was having that contract in hand just in case something bad happened(a bad injury) and thinking Miami would have left him out to dry.

You can argue all day about it, but as a trade asset, Bam is worth more as an asset with a longer contract. If you're a team rebuilding and trading for Bam, you'd rather having him signed for 5 years than 4+1 where he could leave a year earlier if he were to be moved to a team that he doesn't want to stay with.

All I'm saying is that I believe Miami was fine with signing Bam early because they got something out of it, they may never trade Bam but if they do, they have him locked into a maximum lengthed contract he can't leave early from. They weren't strong-armed, they were fine with the outcome. I still don't understand how Riley expected to build a contender in the modern NBA with a front line of Giannis and Bam, toss in Butler and there's just not enough money to acquire shooting to offset those 3 who don't shoot many 3s.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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THJ could really press the Mavs here into a S&T. Dragic and Okpala might get it done. I mean the Mavs should be thrilled with that offer.

Not really, not to mention we would be paying THJ a starting salary of at least 23 mil, and if the Mavs don’t want to play via a trade and I don’t blame them because that offer is trash, we would need to renounce everyone and then they can sign Dragic for the MLE or even less.

Your probably right. Herro or Achuiwa might be enough though. If you trade Dragic and Herro that’s 23 million.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Let’s say we go the cap space route. We can easily free up 23 million by renouncing everyone except Duncan and Nunn. The issue is we don’t have access to the MLE and will have a bunch of holes to fill. The best case is S&T for us and for Dallas for that matter.

Dallas trades

SG Tim Hardaway Jr 23m
SG/SF Josh Richardson
PG Trey Burke

for

SG Tyler Herro
PG Goran Dragic
SF Andre Iguodala

Does that work?

[-The Coach-]

Kawhi refers to the regular season as “82 practices”.

Big fan but it would never work.

[oreon]

Thinking about the Kawhi thing. There's a totaly crazy scenario which has 1 % chance of happening and I don't know if the numbers add up.
The Heat could trade Bam, Herro + Precious + picks for Dame
Then S&T Dragic + Duncan to Clippers for Kawhi

Because Kawhi is a S&T we would need to be under the tax apron so this is where the math gets dicey. But I believe he has a PO, so he can opt in and we wouldn't have to worry about the tax apron. But Clippers would so that could be a sticking point and unless they can reroute Dragic to a 3rd team.

It's a crazy scenario but knowing Riley this is up his alley. I think it could work provided Kawhi is willing to wait a year before getting the big deal. Now for all this to happen, Butler, Dame and Kawhi need to be plotting behind the scenes. Butler and Kawhi apparently have a relationship but neither of them seem close to Dame. So again its probably unlikely. But I was thinking about SAS with the Kawhi to Miami move. And the only way I could see this happening if there was a 3rd move. The clippers roster is better than the Heat, making the move makes no sense unless we can add a 3rd elite player.

[dean456]

The only problem with the Dallas S&T scenarios is that if Dallas renounce their free agents they'd have 34.5mil in cap space. Taking back Dragic or Iggy would cut that in half. If they feel like they are able to sign better players than those two they will likely let Hardaway Jr walk if he wants out.

If Dallas do go the route of trading guys like Porzingis and Powell then maybe they look at what they can get but its hard to imagine them getting better guys from us than they might get via free agency.

[RexBoyWonder]

Let’s say we go the cap space route. We can easily free up 23 million by renouncing everyone except Duncan and Nunn. The issue is we don’t have access to the MLE and will have a bunch of holes to fill. The best case is S&T for us and for Dallas for that matter.

Dallas trades

SG Tim Hardaway Jr 23m
SG/SF Josh Richardson
PG Trey Burke

for

SG Tyler Herro
PG Goran Dragic
SF Andre Iguodala

Does that work?

I wouldnt move herro and dragic for about to get paid roleplayers.

we need scorers that create.

[Hallstar]

Let’s say we go the cap space route. We can easily free up 23 million by renouncing everyone except Duncan and Nunn. The issue is we don’t have access to the MLE and will have a bunch of holes to fill. The best case is S&T for us and for Dallas for that matter.

Dallas trades

SG Tim Hardaway Jr 23m
SG/SF Josh Richardson
PG Trey Burke

for

SG Tyler Herro
PG Goran Dragic
SF Andre Iguodala

Does that work?

I swear this fanbase hates talent. Mark Cuban would learn to fly a plane to make sure they got to Miami safely.

As far as Duncan.....20 secs to dribble hand off for everybody