Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3

[Ball4life32]

Thoughts on a trade package of Collins, Huerter for Wiseman and #7?

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We get a young star Center to groom behind Capela. We also get a young prospect at #7 to add to our stable of wing prospects.

Still start

Capela
D Hunter
Bogdan Bogdan
Trae

With Cam, Wiseman and #7 in our development program and a starting lineup of of proven performers — we could pursue a veteran Forward to round out the starting five and be set up for the next 5-7 years.

We already have a young star C to groom in Okongwu who looks better than Wiseman. Not sure why he’s not listed but no interest in this deal in terms of fit or talent. Two of Capela/Okongwu/Wiseman wouldn’t be the best fit on the court together in the hawks system imo. This team would take a step back next year and I’m not seeing how they’re set up for 5-7 years after this.

[myrak433]

Thoughts on a trade package of Collins, Huerter for Wiseman and #7?

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We get a young star Center to groom behind Capela. We also get a young prospect at #7 to add to our stable of wing prospects.

Still start

Capela
D Hunter
Bogdan Bogdan
Trae

With Cam, Wiseman and #7 in our development program and a starting lineup of of proven performers — we could pursue a veteran Forward to round out the starting five and be set up for the next 5-7 years.

The value is there..... but I would rather get a star level vet to pair with Trae. Try and get KAT or Lavine.

Really? You're interested in Lavine? Why didn't you say anything about that sooner?

I have been saying that for more than a year

[Jamaaliver]

I have been saying that for more than a year

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic, bud.

We are all aware of your fondness for Zach...

[myrak433]

I have been saying that for more than a year

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic, bud.

We are all aware of your fondness for Zach...

Yeah you are probably right. But let me clear something up...... I am not a Lavine stan. I just believe Trae needs another 25 per scorer. I just think Lavine would be the easiest for the Hawks to get, without cutting the whole team.

[HMFFL]

Golden State would be a good system for Zach LaVine. He can be the motor the team needs with Curry getting older (not declining) and Klay with his injuries woes.

I do believe we have the pieces to make a trade happen if he becomes available. .

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[leo7]

I'd go with Wiseman. We desperately need more size in the front court. Huerter Collins Capela for Wiseman.

[Jamaaliver]

We already have a young star C to groom in Okongwu who looks better than Wiseman. Not sure why he’s not listed but no interest in this deal in terms of fit or talent. Two of Capela/Okongwu/Wiseman wouldn’t be the best fit on the court together in the hawks system imo. This team would take a step back next year and I’m not seeing how they’re set up for 5-7 years after this.

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Seeing how we’ve been manhandled in the front court repeatedly the last two rounds,
I’d seriously advise us grabbing another young, talented, high ceiling big man to groom behind Capela. Okongwu is only 6’8”/6’9” tops.

And we’ll be facing off against top level bigs for years to come. Whether it’s Embiid, Giannis, Siakam, Bam. We’ll need legitimate size and talent to withstand them.
James Wiseman at 7’1” 240+ pounds is (theoretically) the kind of prospect that could really payoff for us down the line.

[Jamaaliver]

I'd go with Wiseman. We desperately need more size in the front court. Huerter Collins Capela for Wiseman.

I’m definitely willing to gamble on a Wiseman acquisition, but I’m not sure I’d pay that much for an unproven teenager…

[CP War Hawks]

GS is ready to compete now. Capela for Wiseman while his value is low is a calculated risk worth trying. Probably could extract one of their draft picks.

Love what OO brings to the table but this team simply needs a huge human being down there, that's coordinated to boot. Let them both compete to see who take the position.

[Ball4life32]

We already have a young star C to groom in Okongwu who looks better than Wiseman. Not sure why he’s not listed but no interest in this deal in terms of fit or talent. Two of Capela/Okongwu/Wiseman wouldn’t be the best fit on the court together in the hawks system imo. This team would take a step back next year and I’m not seeing how they’re set up for 5-7 years after this.

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Seeing how we’ve been manhandled in the front court repeatedly the last two rounds,
I’d seriously advise us grabbing another young, talented, high ceiling big man to groom behind Capela. Okongwu is only 6’8”/6’9” tops.

And we’ll be facing off against top level bigs for years to come. Whether it’s Embiid, Giannis, Siakam, Bam. We’ll need legitimate size and talent to withstand them.
James Wiseman at 7’1” 240+ pounds is (theoretically) the kind of prospect that could really payoff for us down the line.

Okongwu was +4 tonight, he wasn’t the one getting manhandled. He’s been the most effective player on the team guarding Giannis (as a rookie) and did a great job on Embiid as well. Okongwu is also similar height to Siakam/Bam with similar wingspans.

Bucks with their veteran team whipped the Hawks on the boards tonight but they are the #2 in rebounding team (hawks are #5) in the nba and it isn’t just because of their big man. Every Bucks starter had more rebounds today than their single game averages. Middleton had 13 rebounds… Pj Tucker had 11. Getting outrebounded isn’t bc of lack of height in this game or series imo with the way their guards/wings have been rebounding.

But I think Okongwu showed more as a rookie than Wiseman despite the min difference and would not swap the two because Wiseman is bigger. And would definitely not add Collins + Huerter all while essentially making Wiseman the future C over Okongwu. A straight swap would make much more sense for the hawks but I still like Big O over Wiseman on both sides of the ball.

[Jamaaliver]

Okongwu was +4 tonight, he wasn’t the one getting manhandled. He’s been the most effective player on the team guarding Giannis (as a rookie) and did a great job on Embiid as well. Okongwu is also similar height to Siakam/Bam with similar wingspans.

Bucks with their veteran team whipped the Hawks on the boards tonight but they are the #2 in rebounding team (hawks are #5) in the nba and it isn’t just because of their big man. Every Bucks starter had more rebounds today than their single game averages. Middleton had 13 rebounds… Pj Tucker had 11. Getting outrebounded isn’t bc of lack of height in this game or series imo with the way their guards/wings have been rebounding.

But I think Okongwu showed more as a rookie than Wiseman despite the min difference and would not swap the two because Wiseman is bigger. And would definitely not add Collins + Huerter all while essentially making Wiseman the future C over Okongwu. A straight swap would make much more sense for the hawks but I still like Big O over Wiseman on both sides of the ball.

It's really difficult to look at Okongwu and be 100% certain he's the starting Center on a contending team for the next 5-7 years. Whether it's Embiid in the East or Gobert/Ayton/A Davis in the West, we're gonna have to go through talented 7 footers to win a title.

There's a good chance that based on Okongwu's limited size/height, he's best suited at PF.

I mean, Capela was struggling last night and we gave up 33 points to 33 year old Brook Lopez.

[jayu70]

Lopez was scoring easy baskets off dribble penetration, your bigs (no matter who they are) will be at a big disadvantage without our perimter players offering at least some resistance at the point of attack on the perimter. They didn't.
Our Rebounding is an entirely different story.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Lopez was scoring easy baskets off dribble penetration, your bigs (no matter who they are) will be at a big disadvantage without our perimter players offering at least some resistance at the point of attack on the perimter. They didn't.
Our Rebounding is an entirely different story.

Context is always in keys in these type of debates. Capela had to keep collapsing for penetration into the lane all night. That leads to easy lobs, and obviously the opposing center free to get easy put backs. It's exactly what makes Trae so lethal. Not only that, but there's times when Collins doesn't rotate over to help stop Clint's man.

[jayu70]

Lopez was scoring easy baskets off dribble penetration, your bigs (no matter who they are) will be at a big disadvantage without our perimter players offering at least some resistance at the point of attack on the perimter. They didn't.
Our Rebounding is an entirely different story.

Context is always in keys in these type of debates. Capela had to keep collapsing for penetration into the lane all night. That leads to easy lobs, and obviously the opposing center free to get easy put backs. It's exactly what makes Trae so lethal. Not only that, but there's times when Collins doesn't rotate over to help stop Clint's man.

I just posted this link with the defensive miscues from the 1st quarter.
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/434023-peachtree-hoops-defense-drops-off-as-hawks-drop-game-5-in-milwaukee-trail-3-2-to-bucks/

[Geaux_Hawks]

Lopez was scoring easy baskets off dribble penetration, your bigs (no matter who they are) will be at a big disadvantage without our perimter players offering at least some resistance at the point of attack on the perimter. They didn't.
Our Rebounding is an entirely different story.

Context is always in keys in these type of debates. Capela had to keep collapsing for penetration into the lane all night. That leads to easy lobs, and obviously the opposing center free to get easy put backs. It's exactly what makes Trae so lethal. Not only that, but there's times when Collins doesn't rotate over to help stop Clint's man.

I just posted this link with the defensive miscues from the 1st quarter.
https://www.hawksquawk.net/topic/434023-peachtree-hoops-defense-drops-off-as-hawks-drop-game-5-in-milwaukee-trail-3-2-to-bucks/

Great work. Those clips showcase that we were not ready for Lopez or any of the Bucks to be working on the interior like they were. This was a game where I would've like to have seen Nate pull out a 1-3-1 zone and trapped Holiday. I could live with Tucker shooting in the corner.

[atlantabbq99]

We all love the Red Mamba, but if the Hawks can add Kawhi or DeRozan or Oladpio, it might be the right time to trade Huerter, while his stock is at its highest its ever been.

Maybe the Hawks can get a pick or a win now player like Norman Powell, or Bobby Portis

[D21]

We all love the Red Mamba, but if the Hawks can add Kawhi or DeRozan or Oladpio, it might be the right time to trade Huerter, while his stock is at its highest its ever been.

Maybe the Hawks can get a pick or a win now player like Norman Powell, or Bobby Portis

Kawhi if you want, but I would take Powell or Portis over DeRozan and Oladipo any day of the week
Oladipo is too much injury prone, and DeRozan, I already talk about and explain it too much but can almost guarantee the best he would add his an horrible team defense when on the floor.

[saloonyk8]

Would Minnesota take this if KAT wants out:

Collins, Capela, Huerter, 2 FRP

For KAT

I would rather trade two FRP than Reddish or Hunter

[Jamaaliver]

Would Minnesota take this if KAT wants out:

Collins, Capela, Huerter, 2 FRP

For KAT

I would rather trade two FRP than Reddish or Hunter

That's likely where they'd START the bidding. But other teams would offer more appealing packages with better picks/stars.

And we'd have to sweeten the deal.

If I'm trading for KAT, I'd be focused on keeping Trae, Capela and Hunter to play next him. Nothing else would be off the table.

Capela
KAT
Hunter
Bogdan
Trae

is a championship level starting five. I'd pay through the nose for that...

[D21]

Would Minnesota take this if KAT wants out:

Collins, Capela, Huerter, 2 FRP

For KAT

I would rather trade two FRP than Reddish or Hunter

Hunter and Reddish are keepers. No way ATL trade them, even for KAT
And Collins, Capela, Huerter, 2 FRP for KAT is too much IMO, he's not worth more than the three players wihtout the FRP. Schlenk love flexibility and won't put FRP for KAT, his only one playoffs experience was 15pts/13rbds/2ast... 27% from 3pts, so far from his regular season production except on rebounding. A bit like Randle this season, he may get a regular season treatment where teams "let" him play and try to limit the other players, but once defended well in playoffs...