Thoughts on Wiseman? How would he fit.

[Laimbeer]

I'm gleaming his attitude and effort aren't the best, but I don't know for sure. If he's a good teammate that wants to get better I'd be very interested.

[bstein14]

Two trades would make sense and work cap wise.

One would be:
Grant + Plumlee + Josh Jackson + #37 + #42 for Wiggins + Wiseman + #7 + #14

This deal would save Golden State $16 million in salary, but nearly $100 million total when factoring in luxury tax payments.

Another deal that works in the checker would be

Wiseman + Oubre (sign and trade) + #14 for Grant + #37

I don't think Grant lands you #7 and Wiseman but you need to have Wiseman or Wiggins coming back in any Grant deal to make salaries match.

That said, I mostly want to keep Grant but any package that would bring back last years #2 Wiseman and this year's #7 would be hard to pass up, even if we have to take on two years of Wiggin's max deal.

[ComboGuardCity]

I mean I love Grant and would love to keep him. But #7, #14, and Wiseman for Grant is a deal you have to take.

[Pharaoh]

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[Laimbeer]

You aren't getting 7, 14 and Wiseman for Grant and pieces.

[vege]

If Wiggins is included it's an automatic no from me, no matter what assets they added.

[Pharaoh]

Yea I know I’m extremely one way. I’m big time in the camp of picking Cade and rolling with what we got and seeing where we are then making the moves next off season.

Which is absolutely what should be done

Agreed. The wholesale changes to tear down the whole roster and start over have already been done. I have never been a fan of the idea of constantly swapping out players because if this player appears to be better than the player you'd trade, you make the trade and your team instantly becomes better. And then you move on to the next player. In simple terms, the value of the pieces doesn't necessarily add up to more than the value of the whole. You've got to stop and evaluate what you've got as a team, then make moves. And don't get me wrong--if there's an argument to be made that, hypothetically, replacing Grant with Wiseman makes more sense for the Pistons because Grant provides X, Wiseman provides Y, and the Pistons moving forward need more Y than X, sure, make the case. But doing it just because you could see Wiseman having an NBA "value" of 90 on a scale of 1 to 100 while Grant is only projected to have a value of 85? No thanks.

This.

Assuming we do draft Cade and bring back essentially the same group as last season the thing we lack most is experience.

That's going to come.

Cade - Hayes - Lee - FJ
Cade - Hayes - FJ - JJ - Bey - Sirvy
Bey - JJ - Grant - Cade - Sirvy
Grant - Sekou - ?
Stewart - Plumlee - Grant - Sekou (?)

We're versatile on both ends, there is shooting on the team, defensive acumen takes time and so does offensive execution.

Patience is key now.

Let's not go blowing our incoming cap flexibility a year too early. We've waited this long to build something, one more year isn't going to be a issue

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[MotownMadness]

I mean I love Grant and would love to keep him. But #7, #14, and Wiseman for Grant is a deal you have to take.

Oh for sure, just give he 7th and Wiseman

[sfballa13]

If Wiggins is included it's an automatic no from me, no matter what assets they added.

I wonder if we can work out a deal where

Wiggins and #14 go to another team like OKC as a salary dump - not sure if OKC even has the room to absorb Wiggins

Grant to Warriors

Wiseman and #7 to Detroit

Wiseman was not given the proper opportunity to shine, the veterans didnt want him in GS, Kerr reluctantly played him in offensive action that didnt suit his skillset. I think he can do big things in a change of environment that is if he can stay healthy

[tmorgan]

I wholeheartedly disagree with that positive spin on Wiseman’s rookie year. He was led along properly, had the smartest defender in the league to lean on and listen to, and he had absolutely no clue what to do anyway. Terrible reads, terrible instincts. No amount of athletic ability was enough to save him.

On offense, once he got the ball the play was over. No vision, no reads, just try and score.

The kid has negative basketball IQ right now. He’s talented, and the team that signs him to his second contract may end up with a decent or even good player, but these next couple of years are gonna suck. If we want to tank another year, sure, pick him up.

[bstein14]

Year 3 for Cade, and year 4 for Bey/Stewart/Hayes will be a big year for us. Jerami Grant is 31 and a FA the summer before that year. I think that is the main reason to consider this deal, is that Wiseman and a lotto pick or two better fit with the age of the young core. That said, I can 100% see the need to keep Grant and his veteran presence on the team with Cade coming in. I think you don't want it to be too much of an all youth **** show like it was in Philly when you're trying to develop a #1 pick in Cade. It's entirely possible that Bey, Stewart, and Cade will all be really good players looking to get big contracts after their rookie deals are up, and we might need to let Grant go at that point anyways so we can afford to pay all the young guys.

It's so far down the road its hard to put too much thought into it because so much can change between now and then, but I'd assume that Weaver is looking at how things may play out cap space and luxury tax wise two, three and four years down the road.

[Pharaoh]

Year 3 for Cade, and year 4 for Bey/Stewart/Hayes will be a big year for us. Jerami Grant is 31 and a FA the summer before that year. I think that is the main reason to consider this deal, is that Wiseman and a lotto pick or two better fit with the age of the young core. That said, I can 100% see the need to keep Grant and his veteran presence on the team with Cade coming in. I think you don't want it to be too much of an all youth **** show like it was in Philly when you're trying to develop a #1 pick in Cade. It's entirely possible that Bey, Stewart, and Cade will all be really good players looking to get big contracts after their rookie deals are up, and we might need to let Grant go at that point anyways so we can afford to pay all the young guys.

It's so far down the road its hard to put too much thought into it because so much can change between now and then, but I'd assume that Weaver is looking at how things may play out cap space and luxury tax wise two, three and four years down the road.

But Grant won't be your typical 31 year old NBA player. He hasn't spent his entire career playing 75+ games a season and playing 35 minutes per night.

Assuming the kids develop there's nothing wrong with Grant being option 2 or 3 behind Cade and Bey.

That said we might move him before he hits free agency in order to prepare the payroll for the extensions of Hayes, Bey & Stewart.

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[Uncle Mxy]

Sekou and 3 second rounders for Wiseman won't cut it?

[whitehops]

my understanding is that they want to turn their draft picks into players that can help them compete now, and they don't have time to wait for wiseman to develop so they're attaching him with the picks.

if they're packaging wiggins and wiseman together i think grant + plumlee + salary filler (and a 2RP) could net wiggins, wiseman and 14 from the warriors. trying to be realistic, grant and plumlee would be awesome fits in golden state but i doubt they would value those guys enough to give up the 7th pick.

and personally i'm not even sure i like the deal for us. it'd be nice to add another lotto pick but i don't love adding wiggins and wiseman to get it.

[The Moose]

I wholeheartedly disagree with that positive spin on Wiseman’s rookie year. He was led along properly, had the smartest defender in the league to lean on and listen to, and he had absolutely no clue what to do anyway. Terrible reads, terrible instincts. No amount of athletic ability was enough to save him.

On offense, once he got the ball the play was over. No vision, no reads, just try and score.

The kid has negative basketball IQ right now. He’s talented, and the team that signs him to his second contract may end up with a decent or even good player, but these next couple of years are gonna suck. If we want to tank another year, sure, pick him up.

i get drummond vibes from him in the worst way possible