Alperen Şengün

[fteru6uhre54ew]

You guys wish that he is 6'10" or 6'11 he is a 6'9 and he look clearly smaller than Ilyasova. The only you need to look is at the shoulder have a more large or short neck or hair doesn't count for basketball. He can play at the 5 maybe yes on offense on defense no way in his life he is small and limited physically that's why I see him as a Saric type of guy.

Sabonis is a 6'11 he is much bigger than this kid.

I mean u can see him here (11) versus Usman that they have the same height and Usman is a 6'8 without shoes and a really short neck

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Have you seen Sabonis next to 6'9,75 without shoes Turner? Sabonis "Measured 6’10’’ in shoes, with a 6’10.5’’ wingspan and 238 lbs at the 2015 Nike Basketball Academy".

Tbh, I think those could be similar to Senguns measurements, maybe with an inch or two longer wingspan. The guy hasn't turned 19 yet. Who knows, maybe he grows 1-2 cms without the height going straight up to his neck.

Sabonis is a 6'11 with shoes and he look in the same heigh as Turner in the first photo. He was a 6'10 in Europe measured without shoes in Unicaja. And this kid is a 6'9 or 6'9,5 with shoes same as Usman as u can see

[Charm]

What's the point of posting photos from 2019, when he was 16 years old? Clearly he has grown since then.

[Mirotic12]

You guys wish that he is 6'10" or 6'11 he is a 6'9 and he look clearly smaller than Ilyasova. The only you need to look is at the shoulder have a more large or short neck or hair doesn't count for basketball. He can play at the 5 maybe yes on offense on defense no way in his life he is small and limited physically that's why I see him as a Saric type of guy.

Sabonis is a 6'11 he is much bigger than this kid.

I mean u can see him here (11) versus Usman that they have the same height and Usman is a 6'8 without shoes and a really short neck

In the picture posted, Sengun is clearly taller than Ilyasova, despite that Ilysaova is closer to the camera. I don't know what picture you are talking about where Ilysaova looks taller than Sengun, but it most certainly isn't this picture.

[Brick Layer]

Given the level of activity Charm has exhibited on Alperen Sengun, he sounds like he's his agent.

[fteru6uhre54ew]

What's the point of posting photos from 2019, when he was 16 years old? Clearly he has grown since then.

No they didn't grow. Both have a really mature body in that moment with a solid frame as u can see in that photo and the same heigh as a half a year ago. U can see it in the photo next to Cedi that he is still in the same height

[Mirotic12]

What's the point of posting photos from 2019, when he was 16 years old? Clearly he has grown since then.

There obviously isn't one. Just like posting that a picture that shows Sengun is taller than Ilyasova gets a response that it clearly showed Ilyasova was taller.

[fteru6uhre54ew]

You guys wish that he is 6'10" or 6'11 he is a 6'9 and he look clearly smaller than Ilyasova. The only you need to look is at the shoulder have a more large or short neck or hair doesn't count for basketball. He can play at the 5 maybe yes on offense on defense no way in his life he is small and limited physically that's why I see him as a Saric type of guy.

Sabonis is a 6'11 he is much bigger than this kid.

I mean u can see him here (11) versus Usman that they have the same height and Usman is a 6'8 without shoes and a really short neck

In the picture posted, Sengun is clearly taller than Ilyasova, despite that Ilysaova is closer to the camera. I don't know what picture you are talking about where Ilysaova looks taller than Sengun, but it most certainly isn't this picture.

Oh yes he look clearly smaller than Ersan just look at the shoulders of both he has the shoulders below Ersan. Have a long neck isn't important for basketball

[Mirotic12]

No they didn't grow. Both have a really mature body in that moment with a solid frame as u can see in that photo and the same heigh as a half a year ago. U can see it in the photo next to Cedi that he is still in the same height

That's strange, because when Sengun was 16, he was listed at 6-7. So you are saying in the picture below that Sengun still looks the same height, as in he still looks 6-7? It's odd, because Osman was measured at 6-7 barefoot and he looks noticeably shorter than Sengun in that same pic below.

Seems a stretch to claim that Sengun hasn't grown since he was 16, when he was listed at 6-7. Unless you want to also claim that Cedi Osman is really only 6-4 or 6-5 without shoes on.

Oh yes he look clearly smaller than Ersan

[fteru6uhre54ew]

Man if you don't want to see it is your problem, he is a little bit more tall than Cedi they look in a pretty similiar heigh but this kid has a long neck

Yes there are a lot of kids that they grow and mature his body in a younger age and they didn't grow more. It's the case with Usman and with this kid.

[peZt]

Ersan has clearly higher shoulders. The only thing that's taller for Sengün are his neck and his hair. Which is practically irrelevant for Basketball. He might be 6'10 in shoes cause of his neck but functionally he's 6'9 or actually 6'8 like Cedi

[Mirotic12]

Man if you don't want to see it is your problem, he is a little bit more tall than Cedi they look in a pretty similiar heigh but this kid has a long neck

Yes there are a lot of kids that they grow and mature his body in a younger age and they didn't grow more. It's the case with Usman and with this kid.

Sengun was listed at 2.01 meters without shoes, which is equal to 6'7" without shoes, when he was 16. His last measurement listing was at age 18, and he was listed at 2.07 meters without shoes on, which is equal to 6'9 1/2" without shoes on.

The NBA measured Ilyasova at 6'8" without shoes on. In the picture I posted, Sengun looks like he is at least an inch taller than Ilyasova. So he's at least 6'9" without shoes on, or he is 6'9 1/2" without shoes on, as his last measurement indicated. A half an inch in height can easily be from just the difference in the time of day when the measurement is taken. It's normal for people to vary in height by 1/4" to 1" in height, depending on the time of day.

Sengun is not 6'8" or 6'9" in shoes, as keeps getting claimed here by some, and he is not 6'7", as was his height at age 16, and you are now saying that he didn't grow since then... It's obvious, and it's a bit ridiculous that this has to keep being debated.

[Mirotic12]

Ersan has clearly higher shoulders. The only thing that's taller for Sengün are his neck and his hair. Which is practically irrelevant for Basketball. He might be 6'10 in shoes cause of his neck but functionally he's 6'9 or actually 6'8 like Cedi

Not all people are built the same physically. Having higher shoulders does not universally mean you have a higher reach. Having a long neck and a big head does not universally mean you have a lower reach. That is not how human anatomy works.

You can have higher shoulders than someone, and also have a lower standing reach than them. Your shoulder height appearance can also be influenced by your posture. Ilysaova is also closer to the camera.

[fteru6uhre54ew]

Man if you don't want to see it is your problem, he is a little bit more tall than Cedi they look in a pretty similiar heigh but this kid has a long neck

Yes there are a lot of kids that they grow and mature his body in a younger age and they didn't grow more. It's the case with Usman and with this kid.

Sengun was listed at 2.01 meters without shoes, which is equal to 6'7" without shoes, when he was 16. His last measurement listing was at age 18, and he was listed at 2.07 meters without shoes on, which is equal to 6'9 1/2" without shoes on.

The NBA measured Ilyasova at 6'8" without shoes on. In the picture I posted, Sengun looks like he is at least an inch taller than Ilyasova. So he's at least 6'9" without shoes on, or he is 6'9 1/2" without shoes on, as his last measurement indicated. A half an inch in height can easily be from just the difference in the time of day when the measurement is taken. It's normal for people to vary in height by 1/4" to 1" in height, depending on the time of day.

Sengun is not 6'8" or 6'9" in shoes, as keeps getting claimed here by some, and he is not 6'7", as was his height at age 16, and you are now saying that he didn't grow since then... It's obvious, and it's a bit ridiculous that this has to keep being debated.

Maybe is that the last guy that he measured him he need to do it again because he isn't a 2,07 meters without shoes a he is not close.

peZt in the last post has explained it very well

[Mirotic12]

Ersan has clearly higher shoulders. The only thing that's taller for Sengün are his neck and his hair. Which is practically irrelevant for Basketball. He might be 6'10 in shoes cause of his neck but functionally he's 6'9 or actually 6'8 like Cedi

Maybe is that the last guy that he measured him he need to do it again because he isn't a 2,07 meters without shoes a he is not close.

peZt in the last post has explained it very well

The lines drawn on the image, clearly show that Sengun is about an inch or so taller than Ilyasova, who the NBA measured at 6'8" without shoes on. And you can also see that Ilyasova is closer to the camera, which would make him appear taller in comparison to Sengun than he actually is.

Being closer to the camera makes you look bigger, and being further from the camera makes you look smaller. Both Sengun and Ilyasova appear to be standing slightly hunched, so it's about the same that way. So based on a picture from just a couple days ago, Sengun is probably around at least 6-9 without shoes on, and that might be a bit conservative.

And once again, shoulder height appearance can be largely influence based on your posture. And again, Ilyasova is closer to the camera. So by being closer to the camera, it makes his shoulders appear bigger by comparison.

[Charm]

"undersized"

Seriously, if he was bigger and more athletic than he already is, he'd basically be Shaq with a jumpshot.

[ezhkw8u69e]

The real question is will you be man enough to stand up and take the flak if Alperen Sengun is struggling to succeed in the NBA?

I had Jarrett Culver 3rd, so yeah.

[ezhkw8u69e]

"undersized"

Seriously, if he was bigger and more athletic than he already is, he'd basically be Shaq with a jumpshot.

True for me too tbh.

[ezhkw8u69e]

Ersan has clearly higher shoulders. The only thing that's taller for Sengün are his neck and his hair. Which is practically irrelevant for Basketball. He might be 6'10 in shoes cause of his neck but functionally he's 6'9 or actually 6'8 like Cedi

The lines drawn on the image, clearly show that Sengun is about an inch or so taller than Ilyasova, who the NBA measured at 6'8" without shoes on. And you can also see that Ilyasova is closer to the camera, which would make him appear taller in comparison to Sengun that he actually is.

Being closer to the camera makes you look bigger, and being further from the camera makes you look smaller. Both Sengun and Ilyasova appear to be standing slightly hunched, so it's about the same that way. So based on a picture from just a couple days ago, Sengun is at least 6-9 without shoes on, and that might be a bit conservative.

And once again, shoulder height appearance can be largely influence based on your posture. And again, Ilyasova is closer to the camera. So by being closer to the camera, it makes his shoulders appear bigger by comparison.

Again, he's saying top of the head does not matter. Look where the base of the neck is on each player. Sertac's neck base is basically where Sengun's mouth is. Functionally Ilyasova and Sengun are the same height. Their eyes are at the same level. Shoulders at the same level. Sertac, a legit 7-footer, has several inches (I'd guess 3) advantage where his shoulders are. That is all that matters.

[Hal14]

Yeah it’s funny people always assume all white guys are built the same. McHale is extremely long. So is a guy like Pau. Very different than Sengun. Once again Sengun built much more like Kevin Love. It’s the obvious physical comp.

Except Love is 2 inches shorter

[Mirotic12]

Functionally Ilyasova and Sengun are the same height. Their eyes are at the same level. Shoulders at the same level.

Except that,

1. Shoulder height does not automatically determine standing reach.

2. Distance to the camera matters. Ilyasova is closer to the camera, which artificially makes him look bigger by comparison to Sengun.

3. Posture influences the appearance of your overall height and of your shoulders height. Sengun's shoulders are drooping down more than Ilyasova's. That makes them look smaller. It might be the angle Sengun has his hands at behind his back. By having his hands further back, it pushes his shoulders further from the camera. But whatever the reason, he is drooping his shoulders down more.

4. Despite all of this, some of the claims are just wrong. Ilyasova does not appear to have higher shoulders. The shoulder line of Sengun can be seen from the lines drawn to actually hit at the chin level of Ilyasova. Ilyasova's chin is in line with the Adam's apple of Sengun, despite that Ilyasova is closer to the camera.

5. You argue that having a longer neck makes someone functionally shorter if they have lower shoulders...Ilyasova has a short neck, which makes his shoulders appear to be higher than they actually are. That's an optical illusion.

Some people just want to believe Sengun is smaller than he is. We had this same exact thing in the Poku draft thread. Some people were convinced Poku could not be over 6-9 or 6-10 in shoes. The NBA measured Poku at 7-0 without shoes and 7-1 in shoes, and we never heard a thing about those height posts again. Then suddenly it all started up again with Sengun. With all the "he can't be over 6-8 or 6-9 in shoes" posts, and now even we are getting it pushed to 6-7, as in he didn't grow since age 16. He was listed at 6-7 at age 16.