MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Quick question, mostly towards the Riley can do no wrong people. How does it feel to know that 40% of the starting lineup of a current finals team could have been in Miami the last 2 seasons with Butler and Bam for very little in assets by simply ditching a hail Mary plan of 2021 where Giannis says no to a super max for a very good team and also selects Miami to sign with?

I don't hate Riley, he built an incredible culture in Miami and has done some great stuff in the past but he's made a lot of bad moves in recent history, he was gifted Butler, OKC tried to gift Miami CP3 and he said no(he's either the #1 or #2 of a finals team this year), he said no to a PF that helped this team get to the finals(who's there again this year), he's allowed some overpayments to recent Miami players and possibly another one is coming with Robinson(one way player who's one strength has given Miami 13 ppg).

Who knows, maybe Riley isn't sticking to his beliefs (toughness/defense) or others are having more input because this last season's team wasn't very tough at all.

It was a roll of the dice either way. Gambling on CP3 to suddenly become a durable player in the twilight of his career or gambling on Giannis to leave a less than ideal organization in a less than ideal NBA locale. We know who Riley is -- he swings for the fences and we love him for it when he connects -- so there's not much surprise as to which gamble he went with

The gamble was way more risky one way then the other...

Will CP3 stay healthy after getting him for expiring's and very little assets(if any) and then actually building the roster as good as possible with NO 2021 cap space causing issues.
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hoping Giannis says no to signing a max then waiting a year to ask to be traded, and all the while letting the roster keep getting worse even after the team made the finals.

Sorry but I think there was nearly zero chance Giannis left Milwaukee before signing the max AND selecting Miami.

Your opinion. No way of knowing if CP3's health holds up last playoffs beyond the 1st round, and he's already had two different injuries these playoffs on top of catching covid (nerve injury R1, torn ligaments in shooting hand R3). If injuries to LeBron, AD, Kawhi, Ibaka don't occur then we're very likely looking at yet another fruitless CP3 season that's in some degree attributable to him once again getting injured in the playoffs

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[Kobewade11]

Quick question, mostly towards the Riley can do no wrong people. How does it feel to know that 40% of the starting lineup of a current finals team could have been in Miami the last 2 seasons with Butler and Bam for very little in assets by simply ditching a hail Mary plan of 2021 where Giannis says no to a super max for a very good team and also selects Miami to sign with?

I don't hate Riley, he built an incredible culture in Miami and has done some great stuff in the past but he's made a lot of bad moves in recent history, he was gifted Butler, OKC tried to gift Miami CP3 and he said no(he's either the #1 or #2 of a finals team this year), he said no to a PF that helped this team get to the finals(who's there again this year), he's allowed some overpayments to recent Miami players and possibly another one is coming with Robinson(one way player who's one strength has given Miami 13 ppg).

Who knows, maybe Riley isn't sticking to his beliefs (toughness/defense) or others are having more input because this last season's team wasn't very tough at all.

still whining about this? We wanted our picks back from OKC, they wanted more picks. Sometimes deals just dont get done. This was the sentiment in real time:

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As far as Crowder who cares. If we gave him the multi year deal he wanted and got smoked by the Bucks you would be here saying whY dId RiLeY caVe? CP3 went on to get moved to Phoenix, Crowder got the contract he wanted, get over it. We would all bat 1.000 playing the hindsight game, nobody does woe is me better than Heat fans I swear.

[Kobewade11]

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if this is true we gotta trade this guy just for being an idiot.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Well at least Herro didn't marry her first lol

[twix2500]

As far Riley failure to acquire Westbrook and Paul it was not that he didn't value them. He was playing chicken trying to get the most out of the deal and betting on that no one was gonna out bid the Heat. Riley doesn't just give you what you want he tries to play the market. Sometimes he fails.

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if this is true we gotta trade this guy just for being an idiot.

Too young for not wrapping up. But most youngins fall asleep in it because it's the first time they ever gotten it so easily.

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[carnageta]

IG models really be thinking they're strong independent individuals. Lol what a skank.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I’m curious, what do you guys think are potential landing spots for Nunn? And what we could we get in a ST from said team?

I would have to think Chicago has to be at the top of his list and they have a need with Coby White out for like for 4-5 months after shoulder surgery.

[greg4012]

It was a roll of the dice either way. Gambling on CP3 to suddenly become a durable player in the twilight of his career or gambling on Giannis to leave a less than ideal organization in a less than ideal NBA locale. We know who Riley is -- he swings for the fences and we love him for it when he connects -- so there's not much surprise as to which gamble he went with

The gamble was way more risky one way then the other...

Will CP3 stay healthy after getting him for expiring's and very little assets(if any) and then actually building the roster as good as possible with NO 2021 cap space causing issues.
vs
hoping Giannis says no to signing a max then waiting a year to ask to be traded, and all the while letting the roster keep getting worse even after the team made the finals.

Sorry but I think there was nearly zero chance Giannis left Milwaukee before signing the max AND selecting Miami.

Your opinion. No way of knowing if CP3's health holds up last playoffs beyond the 1st round, and he's already had two different injuries these playoffs on top of catching covid (nerve injury R1, torn ligaments in shooting hand R3). If injuries to LeBron, AD, Kawhi, Ibaka don't occur then we're very likely looking at yet another fruitless CP3 season that's in some degree attributable to him once again getting injured in the playoffs

Welcome to the troll trap. Can't say I'm on this board every day. But everytime I am AirP is trying to bait people into letting him cry about the same stuff

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Spoiler:

The gamble was way more risky one way then the other...

Will CP3 stay healthy after getting him for expiring's and very little assets(if any) and then actually building the roster as good as possible with NO 2021 cap space causing issues.
vs
hoping Giannis says no to signing a max then waiting a year to ask to be traded, and all the while letting the roster keep getting worse even after the team made the finals.

Sorry but I think there was nearly zero chance Giannis left Milwaukee before signing the max AND selecting Miami.

Your opinion. No way of knowing if CP3's health holds up last playoffs beyond the 1st round, and he's already had two different injuries these playoffs on top of catching covid (nerve injury R1, torn ligaments in shooting hand R3). If injuries to LeBron, AD, Kawhi, Ibaka don't occur then we're very likely looking at yet another fruitless CP3 season that's in some degree attributable to him once again getting injured in the playoffs

Welcome to the troll trap. Can't say I'm on this board every day. But everytime I am AirP is trying to bait people into letting him cry about the same stuff

I think AirP has been upfront about being a player fan of Butler rather than an actual Heat fan, so if that's the case then it is what it is and I don't expect his primary concern to lie with the Heat franchise (e.g. choosing the Giannis plan over CP3 in no small part involved consideration of what would be best for the Heat even after Butler leaves his prime or retires). I just think tho that it eventually becomes pointless to belabor the hindsight game ad nauseum, especially when the hindsight isn't even entirely convincing (i.e. CP3 has been injured these playoffs)

[MettaWorldPanda]

Poor Tyler needs Cleveland now more then ever.

[AirP.]

It was a roll of the dice either way. Gambling on CP3 to suddenly become a durable player in the twilight of his career or gambling on Giannis to leave a less than ideal organization in a less than ideal NBA locale. We know who Riley is -- he swings for the fences and we love him for it when he connects -- so there's not much surprise as to which gamble he went with

The gamble was way more risky one way then the other...

Will CP3 stay healthy after getting him for expiring's and very little assets(if any) and then actually building the roster as good as possible with NO 2021 cap space causing issues.
vs
hoping Giannis says no to signing a max then waiting a year to ask to be traded, and all the while letting the roster keep getting worse even after the team made the finals.

Sorry but I think there was nearly zero chance Giannis left Milwaukee before signing the max AND selecting Miami.

Your opinion. No way of knowing if CP3's health holds up last playoffs beyond the 1st round, and he's already had two different injuries these playoffs on top of catching covid (nerve injury R1, torn ligaments in shooting hand R3). If injuries to LeBron, AD, Kawhi, Ibaka don't occur then we're very likely looking at yet another fruitless CP3 season that's in some degree attributable to him once again getting injured in the playoffs

Sure, but I believe CP3s health is a way better bet then Giannis refusing the super max and signing with Miami. Hell, it could be 50/50 on CP3s health and that's a way better risk then Giannis going to Miami in 2021.

[mademan]

The Crowder decision is obv the worst one and honestly still mind-blowing. Riley really bet against Crowder being trade-able on a 10m/year contract if Giannis decided to come?

[AirP.]

Quick question, mostly towards the Riley can do no wrong people. How does it feel to know that 40% of the starting lineup of a current finals team could have been in Miami the last 2 seasons with Butler and Bam for very little in assets by simply ditching a hail Mary plan of 2021 where Giannis says no to a super max for a very good team and also selects Miami to sign with?

I don't hate Riley, he built an incredible culture in Miami and has done some great stuff in the past but he's made a lot of bad moves in recent history, he was gifted Butler, OKC tried to gift Miami CP3 and he said no(he's either the #1 or #2 of a finals team this year), he said no to a PF that helped this team get to the finals(who's there again this year), he's allowed some overpayments to recent Miami players and possibly another one is coming with Robinson(one way player who's one strength has given Miami 13 ppg).

Who knows, maybe Riley isn't sticking to his beliefs (toughness/defense) or others are having more input because this last season's team wasn't very tough at all.

still whining about this? We wanted our picks back from OKC, they wanted more picks. Sometimes deals just dont get done. This was the sentiment in real time:

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Who gives a damn about a 3rd star if you don't have 2.

Also, I mentioned it would have cost very few assets, Riley/Miami tried to strong arm OKC into getting their own picks back and in return Riley got NOTHING. Congrats.

As far as Crowder who cares. If we gave him the multi year deal he wanted and got smoked by the Bucks you would be here saying whY dId RiLeY caVe? CP3 went on to get moved to Phoenix, Crowder got the contract he wanted, get over it. We would all bat 1.000 playing the hindsight game, nobody does woe is me better than Heat fans I swear.

Sure in hindsight which is why I don't play those games, do I need to link to the times where I was arguing why CP3 was actually way better then what his role was in Houston, I posted his stats when Harden was gone. Crowder... I was all for resigning him and actually saying 10 mil a year is a solid price for a starting stretch 4.

Why give up a 1st and Richardson for Butler if you're going to coast 2 years leaving Butler at 32 by the time you HOPE to add Giannis, that seems very counterproductive.. Although Bam wasn't a proven commodity that first year as a starter, he was proven after a year of being a starter and STILL.... Riley/Miami held back adding talent past 2021 to keep cap space for Giannis which sounds like a horrible idea of having Giannis(non shooter), Butler(non shooter) and Bam(non shooter) all in the same starting lineup no matter how good of 3pt shooters you can put in the other 2 starting positions.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Your opinion. No way of knowing if CP3's health holds up last playoffs beyond the 1st round, and he's already had two different injuries these playoffs on top of catching covid (nerve injury R1, torn ligaments in shooting hand R3). If injuries to LeBron, AD, Kawhi, Ibaka don't occur then we're very likely looking at yet another fruitless CP3 season that's in some degree attributable to him once again getting injured in the playoffs

Welcome to the troll trap. Can't say I'm on this board every day. But everytime I am AirP is trying to bait people into letting him cry about the same stuff

I think AirP has been upfront about being a player fan of Butler rather than an actual Heat fan, so if that's the case then it is what it is and I don't expect his primary concern to lie with the Heat franchise (e.g. choosing the Giannis plan over CP3 in no small part involved consideration of what would be best for the Heat even after Butler leaves his prime or retires). I just think tho that it eventually becomes pointless to belabor the hindsight game ad nauseum, especially when the hindsight isn't even entirely convincing (i.e. CP3 has been injured these playoffs)

I try to follow players/coaches that I like, for now I'm a Butler fan and a Thibodeau fan but since following Miami it seems this franchise has made a lot of mistakes, I pointed out these issues in Minnesota and Chicago(I was a Bulls fan most of my life). It is just surprising how many bad moves have been done in the last few years in Miami when I had a ton of respect for Riley before following what he's done the last few years. I've not even mentioned him being fine with undercutting Wade making him take a big contract in Chicago which I couldn't believe he'd allow to happen at that time.

Most of my arguing are long term situations so when those situations become reality I bring them back up. I think I argued for months on the CP3 thing and just a few weeks about the Crowder situation.

This recent one was because Phoenix just made the finals and 40% of Phoenix's starters could have been in Miami for not much in assets.

[Kobewade11]

Who gives a damn about a 3rd star if you don't have 2.

Also, I mentioned it would have cost very few assets, Riley/Miami tried to strong arm OKC into getting their own picks back and in return Riley got NOTHING. Congrats.

Your takes are disingenuous. OKC was asking for Winslow + Herro or Bam in addition to another pick to get ours back. Even if they had parted with the former two and kept Bam, we're left with at least one of JJ or Waiters. There is no longer a Crowder/Iguodala trade at the deadline because we no longer have the young asset to dump with their contracts. So the whole '40% of Phoenix lineup could have been here', like a lot of what you say - bs. Now, would there have been enough length to curtail Giannis the same way without the trade? Maybe. Do we beat the lakers? No. would we have beaten the Bucks this year? It's likely that we wouldn't. At the end of the day none of this matters now, but I'm sure that's not going to stop you from bringing it up in another 2 weeks when the Finals ends for your pity party.

I also didn't realize you weren't really a Heat fan so thanks whoever pointed that out because it all makes sense now.

[AirP.]

Who gives a damn about a 3rd star if you don't have 2.

Also, I mentioned it would have cost very few assets, Riley/Miami tried to strong arm OKC into getting their own picks back and in return Riley got NOTHING. Congrats.

Your takes are disingenuous. OKC was asking for Winslow + Herro or Bam in addition to another pick to get ours back. Even if they had parted with the former two and kept Bam, we're left with at least one of JJ or Waiters. There is no longer a Crowder/Iguodala trade at the deadline because we no longer have the young asset to dump with their contracts. So the whole '40% of Phoenix lineup could have been here', like a lot of what you say - bs. Now, would there have been enough length to curtail Giannis the same way without the trade? Maybe. Do we beat the lakers? No. would we have beaten the Bucks this year? It's likely that we wouldn't. At the end of the day none of this matters now, but I'm sure that's not going to stop you from bringing it up in another 2 weeks when the Finals ends for your pity party.

I also didn't realize you weren't really a Heat fan so thanks whoever pointed that out because it all makes sense now.

Sure, there was a time Winslow was part of the deal, but at that time Miami was trying to get their picks back in that deal also. OKC wanted to dump CP3s salary so they could tank last year and with getting rid of CP3, they would have moved Gallo also for a pick from someone. Since they couldn't move CP3 they decided to try to rehabilitate what people thought about CP3 because it seems most didn't look past his Houston stats vs the context of his role.

I'm following the Heat, somewhat a fan now but will move on at some point. I'm not blinded by fandom but do believe Miami is one of the better organizations in the league.

[Kobewade11]

I'm following the Heat, somewhat a fan now but will move on at some point. I'm not blinded by fandom.

Why wait

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if this is true we gotta trade this guy just for being an idiot.

Would've been worse if he stayed