Alperen Şengün

[fteru6uhre54ew]

Ersan has clearly higher shoulders. The only thing that's taller for Sengün are his neck and his hair. Which is practically irrelevant for Basketball. He might be 6'10 in shoes cause of his neck but functionally he's 6'9 or actually 6'8 like Cedi

Maybe is that the last guy that he measured him he need to do it again because he isn't a 2,07 meters without shoes a he is not close.

peZt in the last post has explained it very well

The lines drawn on the image, clearly show that Sengun is about an inch or so taller than Ilyasova, who the NBA measured at 6'8" without shoes on. And you can also see that Ilyasova is closer to the camera, which would make him appear taller in comparison to Sengun than he actually is.

Being closer to the camera makes you look bigger, and being further from the camera makes you look smaller. Both Sengun and Ilyasova appear to be standing slightly hunched, so it's about the same that way. So based on a picture from just a couple days ago, Sengun is probably around at least 6-9 without shoes on, and that might be a bit conservative.

And once again, shoulder height appearance can be largely influence based on your posture. And again, Ilyasova is closer to the camera. So by being closer to the camera, it makes his shoulders appear bigger by comparison.

I mean Ersan is a PF all his career and a undersized 5 of the bench when he has been playing late in his career great shooter btw and athletic too when he was young, He played a lot at the 5 because he was really good at taking charges still was a liability on defense and so limited to play at that position. He was a 6'9 in Europe but I think if was a story like with this kid when sometimes he was a 6'7 or others a 6'10 I don't talk about his age because everyone know that lol. Still I think this kid is a 6'9 with shoes he is not tallest than Ersan. The only you can't see it is if those guys are on tiptoes or not

[D J C]

I really hope Sengun is a RealGMer and has been f'ing with us and bending his knees in all these pics

[Charm]

"undersized"

Seriously, if he was bigger and more athletic than he already is, he'd basically be Shaq with a jumpshot.

True for me too tbh.

So just to be crystal clear...you believe that the man in this photo is too vertically limited to play center in the NBA, and that his best physical comparison is Kevin Love?

In my humble opinion, Kevin Love probably hasn't had a dunk like this in his life.

[EvanZ]

So just to be crystal clear...you believe that the man in this photo is too vertically limited to play center in the NBA, and that his best physical comparison is Kevin Love?

In my humble opinion, Kevin Love probably hasn't had a dunk like this in his life.

Have you literally only watched Sengun in your entire life? You just took a screenshot of a guy dunking. That's what a dunk looks like. Congrats!

You still seem to be missing the main point here which is that a guy can jump, it doesn't make him a great athlete necessarily. Blake Griffin could out jump Sengun any day of the week when he was younger. But he was a terrible defender. Why? Because he is not long and he is slow laterally. Doesn't matter how vertically explosive he was when he was able to load up. How are you ignoring all this repeatedly when people keep trying to tell you?

[EvanZ]

Wow here's a screenshot of Kevin Love dunking. Look how high he gets over the rim! Amazing! Unimpeachable evidence of Kevin Love being the greatest athlete ever.

[Charm]

So just to be crystal clear...you believe that the man in this photo is too vertically limited to play center in the NBA, and that his best physical comparison is Kevin Love?

In my humble opinion, Kevin Love probably hasn't had a dunk like this in his life.

Have you literally only watched Sengun in your entire life? You just took a screenshot of a guy dunking. That's what a dunk looks like. Congrats!

You still seem to be missing the main point here which is that a guy can jump, it doesn't make him a great athlete necessarily. Blake Griffin could out jump Sengun any day of the week when he was younger. But he was a terrible defender. Why? Because he is not long and he is slow laterally. Doesn't matter how vertically explosive he was when he was able to load up. How are you ignoring all this repeatedly when people keep trying to tell you?

…so you acknowledge that his primary defensive shortcoming is lateral quickness? I think you’re getting closer to figuring out what position he plays!

[EvanZ]

I've already said what I think he is. He's either a center coming off the bench where his foot speed doesn't matter as much or he's a starting 4 (like Blake was his entire career) with a more athletic/bigger 5 that can make up for his defensive issues.

[Charm]

Wow here's a screenshot of Kevin Love dunking. Look how high he gets over the rim! Amazing! Unimpeachable evidence of Kevin Love being the greatest athlete ever.

I know you're joking here, but to point out the obvious, you can see by looking at the defender next to him that he's not actually that high off the ground. It's just the camera angle that makes it look like his forearm is above the rim. With Sengun in contrast, you can see how high up he is relative to his 6'8" teammate...he could've jumped over him on this play. Love would break every bone in his body if he tried to do that.

Your slippery and unquantifiable definition of "length" is totally useless here. If Sengun's supposed lack of length doesn't affect his ability to finish above the rim, rebound, and block shots, then how does it even matter?

[azcatz11]

Have you guys ever heard the term Agree to Disagree? lol - 35 pages of you 2 going back and forth on this haha

[GSWFan1994]

I've seen a lot of weird fetishes over the years, but this one related to Sengun's height takes the cake.

[EvanZ]

Your slippery and unquantifiable definition of "length" is totally useless here. If Sengun's supposed lack of length doesn't affect his ability to finish above the rim, rebound, and block shots, then how does it even matter?

Most rim protection is done with the defender on the ground or jumping from a standstill not the same thing as loading up for a dunk. Standing reach is what really matters near the basket.

[Charm]

Your slippery and unquantifiable definition of "length" is totally useless here. If Sengun's supposed lack of length doesn't affect his ability to finish above the rim, rebound, and block shots, then how does it even matter?

Most rim protection is done with the defender on the ground or jumping from a standstill not the same thing as loading up for a dunk. Standing reach is what really matters near the basket.

...so his blocks don't count if he had to jump? You're not making any sense here.

Virtually everyone recognizes that he's much more effective defensively around the basket than he is on the perimeter. Virtually everyone recognizes that he's better at defending bigger, slower players rather than smaller, quicker players. Reasonable minds can disagree on exactly how good he is defensively in the paint, or how bad he is defensively on the perimeter, but it's clear that the more he's in the paint, the more he's in position to succeed on that end of the court. Why anyone would intentionally try to make him a PF, which at the NBA level means a lot of switching and chasing shooters around the 3-point line, is beyond me.

[Dat2U]

Not a huge fan of Cs that have to play drop coverage on the pick & roll. You can get away with it in the regular season but it the playoffs, a Cs lack of mobility will get exposed.

[Stillwater]

Still seems to be getting slept on. I wonder if it will be reflected in the actual draft. I think he is clearly a lottery level prospect not sure he goes there though if the general consensus is even close

[CoreyVillains]

Watch on YouTube

This kid is so ridiculously skilled for his age. The footwork is next level. His passing is stupid. I believe in the shot. He'll get got out on the perimeter early on in his career but I think he's going to be fine long term. Big believer in his talent.

Nice stuff Corey. Always enjoyed your work.

You've got a fan in Brazil. Much appreciated.

Thank you for the kind words!

[nolang1]

Not a huge fan of Cs that have to play drop coverage on the pick & roll. You can get away with it in the regular season but it the playoffs, a Cs lack of mobility will get exposed.

Of course this begs the obvious question of whether you'd consider Nikola Jokic an undraftable player for this reason or whether there might be some value in drafting a player in the mid/late lottery who would have a huge impact in the regular season.

[Dat2U]

Not a huge fan of Cs that have to play drop coverage on the pick & roll. You can get away with it in the regular season but it the playoffs, a Cs lack of mobility will get exposed.

Of course this begs the obvious question of whether you'd consider Nikola Jokic an undraftable player for this reason or whether there might be some value in drafting a player in the mid/late lottery who would have a huge impact in the regular season.

How many Nikola Jokic's out there? How many Cs in the league are that skilled? Please don't try to suggest Sengun has this type of skill. And will you address Jokic's defense in playoffs?

[baldur]

Still seems to be getting slept on. I wonder if it will be reflected in the actual draft. I think he is clearly a lottery level prospect not sure he goes there though if the general consensus is even close

it is certain he will be drafted in the lottery.

[God Squad]

I think a good spot to take a chance on Sengun is in the 6-12 range.

[God Squad]

Have you guys ever heard the term Agree to Disagree? lol - 35 pages of you 2 going back and forth on this haha

Whats worse is they're not even debating if he's great or all hype. They're debating an inch and a half on height and using old pictures to justify it.