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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#161 » by jmart762 » Thu Jul 1, 2021 3:56 am

Magic Giannison wrote:Im soo **** happy but can someone explain me HOW?
"If force is straight forward and the knee is hit straight back (not obliquely or at an angle) the femur and tibia mash together but there is a hard stop preventing ligament tear.

When Valgus collapse with tibial torsion occurs Bone doesn't stop bone so the excess motion tears a ligament This was lucky and only because it was perfectly straight hyperextension rather than lateral or rotational force."

Asked my sports chiro buddy and this is what he said.


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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#162 » by Pachinko_ » Thu Jul 1, 2021 4:14 am

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Magic Giannison wrote:Im soo **** happy but can someone explain me HOW?
"If force is straight forward and the knee is hit straight back (not obliquely or at an angle) the femur and tibia mash together but there is a hard stop preventing ligament tear.

When Valgus collapse with tibial torsion occurs Bone doesn't stop bone so the excess motion tears a ligament This was lucky and only because it was perfectly straight hyperextension rather than lateral or rotational force."

Asked my sports chiro buddy and this is what he said.


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Not only a freak but also extremely lucky.

Honestly, I think it will take me years to stop cringing every time I see Giannis jump and land in the future. That bent backwards knee is imprinted in my memory now.
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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#163 » by Milbucks96 » Thu Jul 1, 2021 4:28 am

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jmart762 wrote:
Magic Giannison wrote:Im soo **** happy but can someone explain me HOW?
"If force is straight forward and the knee is hit straight back (not obliquely or at an angle) the femur and tibia mash together but there is a hard stop preventing ligament tear.

When Valgus collapse with tibial torsion occurs Bone doesn't stop bone so the excess motion tears a ligament This was lucky and only because it was perfectly straight hyperextension rather than lateral or rotational force."

Asked my sports chiro buddy and this is what he said.


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Not only a freak but also extremely lucky.

Honestly, I think it will take me years to stop cringing every time I see Giannis jump and land in the future. That bent backwards knee is imprinted in my memory now.

I remember watching Jabari come back from his second acl and watching him try to dunk on somebody his first possession and it felt like I had to throw up. I already flinch once or twice a game watching Giannis play, I might have a heart attack next time he goes up for a dunk.
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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#164 » by jmart762 » Thu Jul 1, 2021 5:05 am

He did add that there's probably serious calf/posterior knee strain from the hyperextension that he'll have to deal with.
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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#165 » by Naero » Thu Jul 1, 2021 6:54 am

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The basketball gods occasionally smile upon us after all. It looked like he hyperextended it at an angle in the footage, which almost certainly would've impinged the ligaments.

Glad to know his career is intact, even though this might derail our championship contention. For half a day, it felt as if we were on the cusp of a semi-rebuild.

I want us to maximize our chance for a championship this season, but I don't want to jeopardize Giannis's health in the process. There's just no way he's playing in Game 5 while his knee is in the swelling phase, and we ideally shouldn't even need him for the rest of this series since we're talented enough to beat the Hawks without him; it's just questionable how well Bud will optimize it.
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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#166 » by Pachinko_ » Thu Jul 1, 2021 7:25 am

But what does no structural damage actually mean for him?
From the description above it sounds like bones touched each other, so that must be very painful and surely there will be bruising and swelling. Which sounds like a matter of days or weeks to heal. But are we sure it didn't weaken the ligaments in any way and didn't increase his chances of serious injury in the future? Because I know this guy will soon want to play through pain and swelling, if that's all it is.

I think (just judging from my injuries) the proper way is to let the swelling and bruising go down, with treatment to help it, and then start with targeted exercises to strengthen the surrounding muscles to support the knee better. Then basketball practice, and then play. Something like a month in total.
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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#167 » by higharc » Thu Jul 1, 2021 11:03 am

Just having him next to the bench game 5 rallying the crowd will be huge. Just wave both hands in the air and the fans go wild.

If there is decision to play him eventually I don't want him starting. Substitute him in at the first minute of game 7 or a finals home game and the forum roof will drop from the cheers :D
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Post#168 » by Coach Carter » Thu Jul 1, 2021 11:58 am

He needs his rest. Forget about this series. If we can't win without him at home, then we're frauds.
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Post#169 » by jmart762 » Thu Jul 1, 2021 12:16 pm

I've never seen it discussed on here much, but I've seen targeted HGH and performance enhancing drugs usage start to get mentioned a bit in sports podcasts (sometimes a bit tongue in cheek or in a joking manner) recently. Honestly, I think if we really care about the players, we should consider and allow them to use the best in medical technology to heal as quickly and effectively as possible. This situation makes it even more relevant.

What are other's thoughts on this? I think I could get onboard with strictly for injury treatment, supervised by a third-party medical team, etc.
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Post#170 » by HKPackFan » Thu Jul 1, 2021 12:44 pm

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Post#171 » by Baddy Chuck » Thu Jul 1, 2021 2:38 pm

jmart762 wrote:I've never seen it discussed on here much, but I've seen targeted HGH and performance enhancing drugs usage start to get mentioned a bit in sports podcasts (sometimes a bit tongue in cheek or in a joking manner) recently. Honestly, I think if we really care about the players, we should consider and allow them to use the best in medical technology to heal as quickly and effectively as possible. This situation makes it even more relevant.

What are other's thoughts on this? I think I could get onboard with strictly for injury treatment, supervised by a third-party medical team, etc.

My thoughts are that they are already ahead of you :reporter:.
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Post#172 » by thecampster » Thu Jul 1, 2021 6:04 pm

From an Atlanta fan. I would like to to tell you guys I hate this for you and am very glad Giannis looks like he'll recover from this. We really didn't like a number of the 76ers and Knicks players/fans but Milwaukee has a lot of really cool people playing for them. Always liked you guys, loved the "Fear the Deer". Giannis is one of the good dudes of the NBA and that injury made me sick the other night. So glad there is no permanent damage. You guys are a class act, great fanbase. Here's an honest good luck to you going forward.
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Post#173 » by dbrodz7 » Thu Jul 1, 2021 6:19 pm

I’ve been told that the timeline is hopefully out 10-12 days and returning sometime during the finals if we make it. I got this information second hand, so I can’t speak directly to its reliability, but the quoted primary source would be very reliable. Hopefully that is accurate and we can take care of business to give Giannis a chance to play in his first finals.
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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#174 » by jimmybones » Thu Jul 1, 2021 8:32 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:But what does no structural damage actually mean for him?
From the description above it sounds like bones touched each other, so that must be very painful and surely there will be bruising and swelling. Which sounds like a matter of days or weeks to heal. But are we sure it didn't weaken the ligaments in any way and didn't increase his chances of serious injury in the future? Because I know this guy will soon want to play through pain and swelling, if that's all it is.

I think (just judging from my injuries) the proper way is to let the swelling and bruising go down, with treatment to help it, and then start with targeted exercises to strengthen the surrounding muscles to support the knee better. Then basketball practice, and then play. Something like a month in total.


No structural damage meaning the mri was negative for a tear. It doesn’t mean we’re out of the woods and he’s good to go. There are manual tests they can do on the stability of the joint once the swelling is under control that if he doesn’t “pass” those tests then risk of further damage is too high.

At this point his docs have no clue when that will happen, being the superhuman that he is it could happen much faster than it does for someone else. But the joint still has prove it’s stable enough for his further injury risk to reduce. The challenge is that it’s not a black/white yes or no, it’s a judgement call on when the joint is stable.

Those docs have to feel the pressure of the urgency but we have to trust their judgement on when it’s ready. It’s going to be different every day at this point and the only people who will really know will be those docs and the team.
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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#175 » by Coach Carter » Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:39 pm

jmart762 wrote:
Magic Giannison wrote:Im soo **** happy but can someone explain me HOW?
"If force is straight forward and the knee is hit straight back (not obliquely or at an angle) the femur and tibia mash together but there is a hard stop preventing ligament tear.

When Valgus collapse with tibial torsion occurs Bone doesn't stop bone so the excess motion tears a ligament This was lucky and only because it was perfectly straight hyperextension rather than lateral or rotational force."

Asked my sports chiro buddy and this is what he said.


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Explains how Jabari tore his.
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Post#176 » by mcfromage » Fri Jul 2, 2021 12:03 am

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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#177 » by MoreTrife » Fri Jul 2, 2021 12:29 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
jmart762 wrote:
Magic Giannison wrote:Im soo **** happy but can someone explain me HOW?
"If force is straight forward and the knee is hit straight back (not obliquely or at an angle) the femur and tibia mash together but there is a hard stop preventing ligament tear.

When Valgus collapse with tibial torsion occurs Bone doesn't stop bone so the excess motion tears a ligament This was lucky and only because it was perfectly straight hyperextension rather than lateral or rotational force."

Asked my sports chiro buddy and this is what he said.


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Not only a freak but also extremely lucky.

Honestly, I think it will take me years to stop cringing every time I see Giannis jump and land in the future. That bent backwards knee is imprinted in my memory now.


Agreed. The ACL tears I've seen where it goes sideways a bit are awkward but that backwards bend is so damn unnatural and stomach churning.
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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#178 » by Pachinko_ » Fri Jul 2, 2021 1:14 am

Ηe's not from this planet
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Post#179 » by jimmybones » Fri Jul 2, 2021 1:16 am

The fact that they aren’t forcing him to be glued to a chair is a good sign that the swelling isn’t out of control.
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Re: Giannis - No Structural Damage 

Post#180 » by 0BobLobLaw0 » Fri Jul 2, 2021 2:39 am

jimmybones wrote:The fact that they aren’t forcing him to be glued to a chair is a good sign that the swelling isn’t out of control.


Exactly. The fact he doesn't need 24/7 treatment is a good thing.
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