Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[pepe1991]

People really really overvalue what Barnes is and can become.
Everything about his game yells "role player".

He is in body of SF (6'7) but plays PF at college and is bigger than most players in college. In nba he will be definition of "average size" hell, at PF he will be undersized actually.
His offense is him going at rim . You look at his efficiency and scoring numbers, they are sh***y. 10 ppg on 54,8% TS.

And he can't shoot from any range right now.

There is striking similarity in his role that says "bit taller Winslow with bit better passing but way worst shooting".
People think he is some world beating playmaker. He is not. He is last man passing ball to shooter. That's ballswinger and passer, not "playmaker". There havn't been single play that would make me think he can be some lead playmaker "a-la Magic Johnson. More like Gordon on Magic- force fed into assists by being last man to kick ball to shooter.

His defensive insticts are fine, but he is not new GIannis. Just because he claps his hands 94 feet away from rim at guard doesn't make him elite defender.

Almost every athletic 6'7-6'8 guy at college is unguardable because college basketball lacks high quality big bodies. Most teams simply don't have centers nor PFs taller than 6'9. Most of the time guys like Jabari, Winslow, Johnson , Derrick Williams are being played at PF at college and are unguardable because teams simply don't have anybody to put on them to match their size , lenght and strenght. But in nba that simply isn't the case.


IF Barnes is some uberathlete future prodigy like people think he is, he would destroy college basketball. not average 10 ppg on 54,8% TS. Ben Simmons without any shooting touch, averaged twice as much points by just going at rim at will and drew 9 FTA.

I don't think he will bust out, but i just don't see star player.

[drsd]

I’d take Bouknight over Kuminga without hesitation. I’d even be ok if we took him over Barnes.

For me Orlando must come out of this draft with a future starting-capable SG. I am much higher on Moody, but I agree that Bouknight should be considered over Kuminga and Barnes. (I am not saying anything about draft order, but rather about acquired players; I am all for a trade-down move to get a future starting-capable SG.)

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[drsd]

People really really overvalue what Barnes is and can become.
Everything about his game yells "role player".

And-1

For me Barnes floor is "The Next Anthony Bennett".


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[RookieStar]

People really really overvalue what Barnes is and can become.
Everything about his game yells "role player".

And-1

For me Barnes floor is "The Next Anthony Bennett".


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While Im not THAT down on Barnes to insult him with Brnnet comparisons... mainly because Barnes looks like he loves playing while AB looks like its a chore for him... Barnes floor could be... homeless man with a million dollar debt Ben Simmons?

[bigdogdylan5]

People really really overvalue what Barnes is and can become.
Everything about his game yells "role player".

And-1

For me Barnes floor is "The Next Anthony Bennett".


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Can you please explain that comparison? I am scared to death of Kuminga. The ground of the draft is riddled with the bodys of these high potential wings that could be something. They all seem to fail. The work ethic is going to determine what he is and there are a lot of red flags. I am convinced Barnes has one of the best motors in this draft and will get every bit of potential out of himself

[Magic Mops]

People really really overvalue what Barnes is and can become.
Everything about his game yells "role player".

And-1

For me Barnes floor is "The Next Anthony Bennett".


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Can you please explain that comparison? I am scared to death of Kuminga. The ground of the draft is riddled with the bodys of these high potential wings that could be something. They all seem to fail. The work ethic is going to determine what he is and there are a lot of red flags. I am convinced Barnes has one of the best motors in this draft and will get every bit of potential out of himself

When i see Barnes playing and speaking in his interviews i see tenacity,great motor,bbiq,the love for the game,heart of the team,great motivatioun to get better.

[89Magicfan]

People really really overvalue what Barnes is and can become.
Everything about his game yells "role player".

He is in body of SF (6'7) but plays PF at college and is bigger than most players in college. In nba he will be definition of "average size" hell, at PF he will be undersized actually.
His offense is him going at rim . You look at his efficiency and scoring numbers, they are sh***y. 10 ppg on 54,8% TS.

And he can't shoot from any range right now.

There is striking similarity in his role that says "bit taller Winslow with bit better passing but way worst shooting".
People think he is some world beating playmaker. He is not. He is last man passing ball to shooter. That's ballswinger and passer, not "playmaker". There havn't been single play that would make me think he can be some lead playmaker "a-la Magic Johnson. More like Gordon on Magic- force fed into assists by being last man to kick ball to shooter.

His defensive insticts are fine, but he is not new GIannis. Just because he claps his hands 94 feet away from rim at guard doesn't make him elite defender.

Almost every athletic 6'7-6'8 guy at college is unguardable because college basketball lacks high quality big bodies. Most teams simply don't have centers nor PFs taller than 6'9. Most of the time guys like Jabari, Winslow, Johnson , Derrick Williams are being played at PF at college and are unguardable because teams simply don't have anybody to put on them to match their size , lenght and strenght. But in nba that simply isn't the case.


IF Barnes is some uberathlete future prodigy like people think he is, he would destroy college basketball. not average 10 ppg on 54,8% TS. Ben Simmons without any shooting touch, averaged twice as much points by just going at rim at will and drew 9 FTA.

I don't think he will bust out, but i just don't see star player.

I don’t see a star in Barnes. I’m just saying if you’re looking at Kuminga, might as well look at Barnes, Johnson and Johnson, etc.

I don’t even see a starter in Kuminga tbh. Maybe on some teams.

[bigdogdylan5]

And-1

For me Barnes floor is "The Next Anthony Bennett".


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Can you please explain that comparison? I am scared to death of Kuminga. The ground of the draft is riddled with the bodys of these high potential wings that could be something. They all seem to fail. The work ethic is going to determine what he is and there are a lot of red flags. I am convinced Barnes has one of the best motors in this draft and will get every bit of potential out of himself

When i see Barnes playing and speaking in his interviews i see tenacity,great motor,bbiq,the love for the game,heart of the team,great motivatioun to get better.

Same here. Everyone is going to want to take Kuminga because of potential and role the dice on the 15-20% chance he will be a super star than if he doesn’t you will call the GM and PBO morons and call for them to be fired

[j-ragg]

When i see Barnes playing and speaking in his interviews i see tenacity,great motor,bbiq,the love for the game,heart of the team,great motivatioun to get better.

Did you see some skill? Because that’s what we need. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with the Barnes love across the NBA fan landscape, not just here.

This isn’t about fit over BPA for us, it’s about fit for the league. Barnes doesn’t fit the modern NBA and likely won’t unless he completely overhauls his jumper successfully or gets drafted to replace Draymond on the 2018 Warriors.

Are people just higher on his shot than I am? His feet are a different distance apart every shot he takes. His elbows out. It looks rough but I’m no expert.

[89Magicfan]

When i see Barnes playing and speaking in his interviews i see tenacity,great motor,bbiq,the love for the game,heart of the team,great motivatioun to get better.

Did you see some skill? Because that’s what we need. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with the Barnes love across the NBA fan landscape, not just here.

This isn’t about fit over BPA for us, it’s about fit for the league. Barnes doesn’t fit the modern NBA and likely won’t unless he completely overhauls his jumper successfully or gets drafted to replace Draymond on the 2018 Warriors.

Are people just higher on his shot than I am? His feet are a different distance apart every shot he takes. His elbows out. It looks rough but I’m no expert.

Who do you think is BPA at 5?

[Magic Mops]

Watch on YouTube

I would be more than ok with Moody at 5.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I’d take Bouknight over Kuminga without hesitation. I’d even be ok if we took him over Barnes.

For me Orlando must come out of this draft with a future starting-capable SG. I am much higher on Moody, but I agree that Bouknight should be considered over Kuminga and Barnes. (I am not saying anything about draft order, but rather about acquired players; I am all for a trade-down move to get a future starting-capable SG.)

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Why not Bouknight & Moody that would be heaven. Take Garza at 33 and it might be an A draft for me.

[j-ragg]

When i see Barnes playing and speaking in his interviews i see tenacity,great motor,bbiq,the love for the game,heart of the team,great motivatioun to get better.

Did you see some skill? Because that’s what we need. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with the Barnes love across the NBA fan landscape, not just here.

This isn’t about fit over BPA for us, it’s about fit for the league. Barnes doesn’t fit the modern NBA and likely won’t unless he completely overhauls his jumper successfully or gets drafted to replace Draymond on the 2018 Warriors.

Are people just higher on his shot than I am? His feet are a different distance apart every shot he takes. His elbows out. It looks rough but I’m no expert.

Who do you think is BPA at 5?

If the top 4 go the way they’re projected to go, I think
Kuminga
Bouknight
Moody
Sengun
Jalen J

I’d take these as the next 4 I think as of right now, I’m far from good at this though. Some guys on here watch college ball all year round, much more educated on these guys’ games. I’m just not a Scottie believer.

[tiderulz]

I’d take Bouknight over Kuminga without hesitation. I’d even be ok if we took him over Barnes.

For me Orlando must come out of this draft with a future starting-capable SG. I am much higher on Moody, but I agree that Bouknight should be considered over Kuminga and Barnes. (I am not saying anything about draft order, but rather about acquired players; I am all for a trade-down move to get a future starting-capable SG.)

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Why not Bouknight & Moody that would be heaven. Take Garza at 33 and it might be an A draft for me.

sounds great to me

[89Magicfan]

Did you see some skill? Because that’s what we need. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with the Barnes love across the NBA fan landscape, not just here.

This isn’t about fit over BPA for us, it’s about fit for the league. Barnes doesn’t fit the modern NBA and likely won’t unless he completely overhauls his jumper successfully or gets drafted to replace Draymond on the 2018 Warriors.

Are people just higher on his shot than I am? His feet are a different distance apart every shot he takes. His elbows out. It looks rough but I’m no expert.

Who do you think is BPA at 5?

If the top 4 go the way they’re projected to go, I think
Kuminga
Bouknight
Moody
Sengun
Jalen J

I’d take these as the next 4 I think as of right now, I’m far from good at this though. Some guys on here watch college ball all year round, much more educated on these guys’ games. I’m just not a Scottie believer.

I get that with Barnes but I don’t understand why one would be against Barnes and for Kuminga. Form? That’s all I see that he has over Barnes.

[89Magicfan]

I’d take Bouknight over Kuminga without hesitation. I’d even be ok if we took him over Barnes.

For me Orlando must come out of this draft with a future starting-capable SG. I am much higher on Moody, but I agree that Bouknight should be considered over Kuminga and Barnes. (I am not saying anything about draft order, but rather about acquired players; I am all for a trade-down move to get a future starting-capable SG.)

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I think we need a franchise player rather it’s 1-5. It’s what we’ve needed for a decade.

[Orl_Magic]

Barnes in the next Ben Simmons. GSW want Ben Simmons or atleast that's the rumour.

Trade pick#5 (Scottie Barnes) for pick# 7 (Moody) plus a future first. Draft Bouknight with pick #8.

Or

Toronto trade
#4 for #5 plus Cole Anthony. We take Suggs or Green who ever is there.

[89Magicfan]

Just got done watching Kuminga’s full game against Erie. It’s cringeworthy. Good post up moves, good rebounding game, nice step back just doesn’t go in but everything else...I don’t see a top 5 pick man. He makes some boneheaded plays too. Just don’t get it.

[bigdogdylan5]

When i see Barnes playing and speaking in his interviews i see tenacity,great motor,bbiq,the love for the game,heart of the team,great motivatioun to get better.

Did you see some skill? Because that’s what we need. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with the Barnes love across the NBA fan landscape, not just here.

This isn’t about fit over BPA for us, it’s about fit for the league. Barnes doesn’t fit the modern NBA and likely won’t unless he completely overhauls his jumper successfully or gets drafted to replace Draymond on the 2018 Warriors.

Are people just higher on his shot than I am? His feet are a different distance apart every shot he takes. His elbows out. It looks rough but I’m no expert.

There is a place in this league for a guy that can defend 1-5 and can playmake. If his shot can just get to 32% he will be one of the best players in this class. Don’t get me wrong if Suggs or Green is there you run the pick to the podium but if it is between Barnes and Kuminga I am choosing Barnes all day. He already has two skills that will be NBA elite in his 1-5 defense and playmaking. You also have 8 where one of Bouknight Moody or Mann will be there. We also have Anthony who everyone has forgotten about because he isn’t new and shiny but damn he showed a lot towards the end of the year. If we learn anything from Bamba it’s that if it’s even remotely close in talent pick the guy with the highest motor.

A future lineup of
Barnes/Anthony/Okeke/Isaac/Carter or a stretch 5 is hella interesting.

[Skybox]

When i see Barnes playing and speaking in his interviews i see tenacity,great motor,bbiq,the love for the game,heart of the team,great motivatioun to get better.

Did you see some skill? Because that’s what we need. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills with the Barnes love across the NBA fan landscape, not just here.

This isn’t about fit over BPA for us, it’s about fit for the league. Barnes doesn’t fit the modern NBA and likely won’t unless he completely overhauls his jumper successfully or gets drafted to replace Draymond on the 2018 Warriors.

Are people just higher on his shot than I am? His feet are a different distance apart every shot he takes. His elbows out. It looks rough but I’m no expert.

I love Barnes' hyped up, slap the floor, team-first vibe. But he just seems, IMO, like he should be a later pick-pleasant surprise "glue guy" than a top 5 pick. I think his "tip of the spear" on-ball D is awesome in the NCAA, but just isn't going to be a thing in his NBA career. He'll be solid and, if he drops to 8 and we nab a scorer first, I'd definitely welcome his contribution but we need a splash at 5 (or 2 or 3 if we can). Patrick Williams was a surprise at 4 and proved to be a pretty good choice but we need a guy people are talking about around the league with our top pick. I REALLY hope our FO is putting together an aggressive move for Green.