MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[twix2500]

Some people don't seem to understand how hard the mid 30s hits players and how fast it can happen. This past season there were 2 players in the entire NBA 35 years or older that averaged even 15 ppg. Lebron and CP3 and that's it. Dropping the age to 34 adds only one player to that list ... Lowry.

The next guys that age on the scoring list were:

Horford (34): 14.2 ppg
Aldridge (35): 13.5 ppg
Melo (36): 13.4 ppg
Dragic (34): 13.4 ppg
Gay (34): 11.4 ppg
Lou Williams (34): 11.3 ppg
Jeff Green (34): 11.0 ppg

That's 10 guys in the entire league 34 or older averaging even 10 ppg ... and that includes guys who didn't play enough to officially qualify for the list. And frankly 33 really isn't much better. NBA life comes at guys hard and fast.

If you're looking to bring in a guy who is > 33, it better be in a low scoring complimentary role.

And know that Jimmy Butler's extension is bound to end in a train wreck.

The purpose bringing in Lowry is to have a floor general to allow players to be the best of themselves. Not to carry the scoring load every night, however as a former star when times come he can carry the scoring load (unlike Ariza). Lowry is a second coach on the court which is important. He can be a vocal voice and as a point he can dictate the offense as well. If Bam is taking the wrong approach now you have a point who can demand Bam to take over at the right times and force feed Bam.

We all heard the stories of veteran stars (Payton, Zo and Shaq) telling Wade its your time to take over and we will follow in the NBA finals. This is what Paul is doing with Ayton and Booker.

The hope will be that Lowry will allow Butler and Jimmy focus as on ball scorers in their favorite spots and players like Robinson can be a secondary off ball scorer feeding off of Lowry, and Butler and Bam. The Heat will not have to force certain shots.

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Some people don't seem to understand how hard the mid 30s hits players and how fast it can happen. This past season there were 2 players in the entire NBA 35 years or older that averaged even 15 ppg. Lebron and CP3 and that's it. Dropping the age to 34 adds only one player to that list ... Lowry.

The next guys that age on the scoring list were:

Horford (34): 14.2 ppg
Aldridge (35): 13.5 ppg
Melo (36): 13.4 ppg
Dragic (34): 13.4 ppg
Gay (34): 11.4 ppg
Lou Williams (34): 11.3 ppg
Jeff Green (34): 11.0 ppg

That's 10 guys in the entire league 34 or older averaging even 10 ppg ... and that includes guys who didn't play enough to officially qualify for the list. And frankly 33 really isn't much better. NBA life comes at guys hard and fast.

If you're looking to bring in a guy who is > 33, it better be in a low scoring complimentary role.

And know that Jimmy Butler's extension is bound to end in a train wreck.

The purpose bringing in Lowry is to have a floor general to allow players to be the best of themselves. Not to carry the scoring load every night, however as a former star when times come he can carry the scoring load (unlike Ariza). Lowry is a second coach on the court which is important. He can be a vocal voice and as a point he can dictate the offense as well. If Bam is taking the wrong approach now you have a point who can demand Bam to take over at the right times and force feed Bam.

We all heard the stories of veteran stars (Payton, Zo and Shaq) telling Wade its your time to take over and we will follow in the NBA finals. This is what Paul is doing with Ayton and Booker.

The hope will be that Lowry will allow Butler and Jimmy focus as on ball scorers in their favorite spots and players like Robinson can be a secondary off ball scorer feeding off of Lowry, and Butler and Bam. The Heat will not have to force certain shots.

I agree 100% with all of that and I would love to have Lowry ... on a 1 year deal. I don't even care what the dollar figure on that would be. But at 2 guaranteed years I'm already getting nervous, and at 3 years you know we're flushing money down the toilet.

Guaranteeing him multiple years and maxing Jimmy would likely work out well this coming year, but 2 years down the line our cap is going to look like a Picasso painting.

[Vertical Limit]

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I'm still amazed 4 years in he lacks the confidence to shoot the 3 ball when he very clearly has the capability to be an adequate shooter. Just look at his pre draft workout.

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I do not want him to be a three point shooter .. the guy should be refining his moves on the post and midrange… hes trying to learn new tricks without truly developing his midrange..

[Kobewade11]

I do not want him to be a three point shooter .. the guy should be refining his moves on the post and midrange… hes trying to learn new tricks without truly developing his midrange..

Its not new tricks. He can do all of that stuff, if he wants it.

[Vertical Limit]

I do not want him to be a three point shooter .. the guy should be refining his moves on the post and midrange… hes trying to learn new tricks without truly developing his midrange..

Its not new tricks. He can do all of that stuff, if he wants it.

It is new tricks if the other stuff isnt even a threat to opponents. He has not mastered his other moves.

[Kobewade11]

I do not want him to be a three point shooter .. the guy should be refining his moves on the post and midrange… hes trying to learn new tricks without truly developing his midrange..

Its not new tricks. He can do all of that stuff, if he wants it.

It is new tricks if the other stuff isnt even a threat to opponents. He has not mastered his other moves.

Him shooting a couple of threes a game does not prevent him from being effective in the midrange. He also does not have to only add one element to his game at a time.

[Hallstar]

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I'm still amazed 4 years in he lacks the confidence to shoot the 3 ball when he very clearly has the capability to be an adequate shooter. Just look at his pre draft workout.

Watch on YouTube

I do not want him to be a three point shooter .. the guy should be refining his moves on the post and midrange… hes trying to learn new tricks without truly developing his midrange..

If he learns to shoot from 3 we can get a legit 5 to pair him with and he can go parading around the perimeter on defense without Herro or Nunn having to guard Brook Lopez

[Hallstar]

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[RexBoyWonder]

Some people don't seem to understand how hard the mid 30s hits players and how fast it can happen. This past season there were 2 players in the entire NBA 35 years or older that averaged even 15 ppg. Lebron and CP3 and that's it. Dropping the age to 34 adds only one player to that list ... Lowry.

The next guys that age on the scoring list were:

Horford (34): 14.2 ppg
Aldridge (35): 13.5 ppg
Melo (36): 13.4 ppg
Dragic (34): 13.4 ppg
Gay (34): 11.4 ppg
Lou Williams (34): 11.3 ppg
Jeff Green (34): 11.0 ppg

That's 10 guys in the entire league 34 or older averaging even 10 ppg ... and that includes guys who didn't play enough to officially qualify for the list. And frankly 33 really isn't much better. NBA life comes at guys hard and fast.

If you're looking to bring in a guy who is > 33, it better be in a low scoring complimentary role.

And know that Jimmy Butler's extension is bound to end in a train wreck.

thats part of the reason we need to get Sexton.

We won't find a higher ceiling PG that we can get in the next few years IMO.

Getting any young player with Allstar potential and a proven 20+ PPG Will be almost impossible, With the Cavs\Love situation we have a golden opportunity to add that type of guy.

As a bonus we'll have a full year to evaluate before extending him.

We need to get Sexton.

[Beenie]

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Interesting offer. Wouldn't surprise me if Philly circled back to it.

[DayofMourning]

Ben is a superior talent. Unless he has mental problems, he's hard to move. Would've moved him for Harden in a second though.

[twix2500]

How does the Tax line works? I remember in the past that you had to be over the tax for conservative years in order you to have to pay the tax. Has that changed?.

If not, than Love contract is not a big deal because it expires in 2 yrs. Sexton new contract will not kick in until a year from now

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[AirP.]

How does the Tax line works? I remember in the past that you had to be over the tax for conservative years in order you to have to pay the tax. Has that changed?.

If not, than Love contract is not a big deal because it expires in 2 yrs. Sexton new contract will not kick in until a year from now

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Here's a link that explains it...
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q18

For example:

A team with a team salary $12 million over the tax level pays a tax of $21.25 million (the incremental maximum of $7.5 million for $0 to $4,999,999, plus the incremental maximum of $8.75 million for $5 million to $9,999,999, plus $2 million times the incremental rate of $2.50 for $10 million to $14,999,999).

A team that was a taxpayer in three of the four previous seasons, with a team salary in the current season $4 million over the tax level pays a tax of $10 million ($4 million times the repeater rate of $2.50 for $0 to $4,999,999).

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Some people don't seem to understand how hard the mid 30s hits players and how fast it can happen. This past season there were 2 players in the entire NBA 35 years or older that averaged even 15 ppg. Lebron and CP3 and that's it. Dropping the age to 34 adds only one player to that list ... Lowry.

The next guys that age on the scoring list were:

Horford (34): 14.2 ppg
Aldridge (35): 13.5 ppg
Melo (36): 13.4 ppg
Dragic (34): 13.4 ppg
Gay (34): 11.4 ppg
Lou Williams (34): 11.3 ppg
Jeff Green (34): 11.0 ppg

That's 10 guys in the entire league 34 or older averaging even 10 ppg ... and that includes guys who didn't play enough to officially qualify for the list. And frankly 33 really isn't much better. NBA life comes at guys hard and fast.

If you're looking to bring in a guy who is > 33, it better be in a low scoring complimentary role.

And know that Jimmy Butler's extension is bound to end in a train wreck.

thats part of the reason we need to get Sexton.

We won't find a higher ceiling PG that we can get in the next few years IMO.

Getting any young player with Allstar potential and a proven 20+ PPG Will be almost impossible, With the Cavs\Love situation we have a golden opportunity to add that type of guy.

As a bonus we'll have a full year to evaluate before extending him.

We need to get Sexton.

I've heard so many bad ideas of what players to acquire that I'm ready to hop onboard with this one. Two problems I see is that I'm not sure the Cavs won't get a better offer ... and I don't think Sexton and Love like each other, so we may have to find another landing spot for Love.

[marson]

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Interesting offer. Wouldn't surprise me if Philly circled back to it.

They beat the Hawks in 5 or 6 with Brogdon instead of Ben for sure.

I'm taking this deal and never look back if I'm the Sixers. Maybe they are looking at Dame situation first.

[Beenie]

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Interesting offer. Wouldn't surprise me if Philly circled back to it.

They beat the Hawks in 5 or 6 with Brogdon instead of Ben for sure.

I'm taking this deal and never look back if I'm the Sixers. Maybe they are looking at Dame situation first.

Saw a article that suggests that Boston could be willing to part with Jaylen Brown for Lillard.

If that's the case, Boston could probably outbid Philly and Mia.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Opt in trade central to Dallas right here

[MettaWorldPanda]

Some people don't seem to understand how hard the mid 30s hits players and how fast it can happen. This past season there were 2 players in the entire NBA 35 years or older that averaged even 15 ppg. Lebron and CP3 and that's it. Dropping the age to 34 adds only one player to that list ... Lowry.

The next guys that age on the scoring list were:

Horford (34): 14.2 ppg
Aldridge (35): 13.5 ppg
Melo (36): 13.4 ppg
Dragic (34): 13.4 ppg
Gay (34): 11.4 ppg
Lou Williams (34): 11.3 ppg
Jeff Green (34): 11.0 ppg

That's 10 guys in the entire league 34 or older averaging even 10 ppg ... and that includes guys who didn't play enough to officially qualify for the list. And frankly 33 really isn't much better. NBA life comes at guys hard and fast.

If you're looking to bring in a guy who is > 33, it better be in a low scoring complimentary role.

And know that Jimmy Butler's extension is bound to end in a train wreck.

thats part of the reason we need to get Sexton.

We won't find a higher ceiling PG that we can get in the next few years IMO.

Getting any young player with Allstar potential and a proven 20+ PPG Will be almost impossible, With the Cavs\Love situation we have a golden opportunity to add that type of guy.

As a bonus we'll have a full year to evaluate before extending him.

We need to get Sexton.

I've heard so many bad ideas of what players to acquire that I'm ready to hop onboard with this one. Two problems I see is that I'm not sure the Cavs won't get a better offer ... and I don't think Sexton and Love like each other, so we may have to find another landing spot for Love.

Sexton recently liked a tweet about Kevin Love robbing the Cavs with that contract. He unliked it but internet lives forever.

[HeatIn5]

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Opt in trade central to Dallas right here

Sign and trade Goran for Sign and trade Timmy Jr?

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thats part of the reason we need to get Sexton.

We won't find a higher ceiling PG that we can get in the next few years IMO.

Getting any young player with Allstar potential and a proven 20+ PPG Will be almost impossible, With the Cavs\Love situation we have a golden opportunity to add that type of guy.

As a bonus we'll have a full year to evaluate before extending him.

We need to get Sexton.

I've heard so many bad ideas of what players to acquire that I'm ready to hop onboard with this one. Two problems I see is that I'm not sure the Cavs won't get a better offer ... and I don't think Sexton and Love like each other, so we may have to find another landing spot for Love.

Sexton recently liked a tweet about Kevin Love robbing the Cavs with that contract. He unliked it but internet lives forever.

Well he's not wrong. Love started out underperforming that contract and then just quit giving a ****.