Vasa Micic Highest Paid EuroLeague Player: around €16.65M for all three years of the contract

[UcanUwill]

Name me one example of EL stealing decent NBA player from NBA, that was a bust, beside Josh Childress. What were players that EL stole from NBA period, Childress, Kleiza, Mirotic, who else?

If you followed European basketball, you would definitely know this.

They had all of these players signed just in a couple seasons:

Carlos Delfino
Josh Childress
Jannero Pargo
Nenad Krstic
Andrei Kirilenko
Boki Nachbar
Linas Kleiza
Carlos Arroyo
Jordan Farmar
Allen Iverson

There were some other guys too, I just can't remember them all right off the top of my head.

They were all NBA starters / 6th men / main rotation players in the NBA, and signed directly into the EuroLeague / EuroCup. All of them were busts, considering their salaries and that none of their teams won anything. Although Kleiza and Kirilenko put up good stats for one season. Kirilenko's second signing with CSKA was also a bust.

First of all, almost none of them were busts, you just making stuff up and you know it, how was Kleiza a bust, he was dominant. Most these guys were good pros at worst.

Second of all, all these players except Kleiza and Nachbar were over the hill, they dont count as players who were stolen from the NBA, I think you missing the point of the poster who made original point. He actually gave Euroleague credit, but instead of taking that little victory, you once again over reached with your ridiculous claim. At best guys liek Farmar and Krstic were veteran minimum guys at a time they turned to Europe. And Kirilenko, the best guy of the bunch, was signed during season lockout, and yeah, MVP being a bust, like who are you kidding, who are you trying to fool here?

I guess he isn't coming to OKC

Bulls wanted him hard as well, but oh well, Spanoulis' shadow lives on, that guy was very influential in Europe among these players, and sadly he put NBA fear into a lot of these guys.

[Mirotic12]

Ah, yes, Kirilenko, who was named EUroleague MVP, was a bust, haha, Mirotic12 will spin anything into his BS.

lol how can you call a guy who won Euroleague MVP a bust?

Here we go with the the at least semi-annual Mirotic12 Eurolesgues propaganda

CSKA had the best team in Europe. They had the biggest budget in Europe. They added Kirilenko to a team that without him, was the overwhelming favorite to win the championship. After signing him, they proceeded to lose the final, after being the biggest favorite ever. It is still the biggest upset loss ever.

So yeah, Kirilenko was absolutely 100% a bust signing. Not even mildly debatable. His team was the biggest favorite of all time, and didn't win. It would be something like if the Golden State Warriors added Kevin Durant to their 73 win team that had also already won a championship, and then with Durant, they proceeded to lose in the finals to a team like the 2020 Miami Heat.

It's nice to know that historical basketball facts are considered to be propaganda by some at such a well-known basketball forum.

[Mirotic12]

First of all, almost none of them were busts, you just making stuff up and you know it, how was Kleiza a bust, he was dominant. Most these guys were good pros at worst.

Second of all, all these players except Kleiza and Nachbar were over the hill, they dont count as players who were stolen from the NBA, I think you missing the point of the poster who made original point. He actually gave Euroleague credit, but instead of taking that little victory, you once again over reached with your ridiculous claim. At best guys liek Farmar and Krstic were veteran minimum guys at a time they turned to Europe. And Kirilenko, the best guy of the bunch, was signed during season lockout, and yeah, MVP being a bust, like who are you kidding, who are you trying to fool here?

You don't actually watch EuroLeague. This post just confirmed that. You are not fooling anyone that actually does watch it after that post. Every single one of those guys came directly to Europe from being rotation palyers in the NBA. Every single one of them got huge contracts. Every club that signed them failed to achieve their objectives in signing them.

There is no way you actually follow EuroLeague, if you don't know that.

[LuDux1]

Yeah at some point the euros gonna start taking top end European talent from nba...or maybe some good middle of The pack American guys

I don't think the EuroLeague teams are interested in that anymore. They have already signed many such players from the NBA, and all of them were big busts, considering their contracts. None of the EuroLeague teams that signed such players ever won anything either.

[UcanUwill]

You don't actually watch EuroLeague. This post just confirmed that.

No, you see, I am just not a hypocrite, I can be a fan but also don't lie about something I am a fan of to make it look better than it is... I know you yourself dont believe in things you say, so why I always engage with you I dont know, its on me.

[Mirotic12]

I don't think he qualified as a middle of the pack NBA player. Maybe, but I don't think he was. Early in his career, he was. But I think he was like Jimmer, and he kind of faded out of the NBA, after playing a lot as a rookie.

[UcanUwill]

So is James Harden a Bust. John Stockton and Karl Malone are busts? And Tyus Edney is not middle of the pack player (in which you are right), but 35 year old Carlos Arroyo and washed Nenad Krstic are ha? You have zero clue about NBA.

[Mirotic12]

So is James Harden a Bust. John Stockton and Karl Malone are busts? And Tyus Edney is not middle of the pack player (in which you are right), but 35 year old Carlos Arroyo and washed Nenad Krstic are ha? You have zero clue about NBA.

Arroyo and Krstic were starters in the NBA at some points in their careers. They were rotation players for many years in the NBA. They were in fact middle of the pack players. A 7-8 man on an NBA team is a middle of the pack player. There are 15 guys on rosters usually. The math is pretty simple, therefore 7-8 man in rotation = middle of the pack player.

So they were middle of the pack NBA players. There is no reason for this to be argued, when it's a basic fact.

[h4rrison]

I don't think the EuroLeague teams are interested in that anymore. They have already signed many such players from the NBA, and all of them were big busts, considering their contracts. None of the EuroLeague teams that signed such players ever won anything either.

So what is Shane Larkin?

Bottom feeder, middleof the pack is someone like Norman Powell.

Put some respect on Norm’s name. Larkin has nowhere near the success of Powell in the league. Powell would be an mvp caliber player in the euro league.

[UcanUwill]

So is James Harden a Bust. John Stockton and Karl Malone are busts? And Tyus Edney is not middle of the pack player (in which you are right), but 35 year old Carlos Arroyo and washed Nenad Krstic are ha? You have zero clue about NBA.

Arroyo and Krstic were starters in the NBA at some point in their careers. They were rotation players for many years in the NBA. They were in fact middle of the pack players. A 7-8 man on an NBA team is a middle of the pack player. There are 15 guys on rosters usually. The math is pretty simple, therefore 7-8 man in rotation = middle of the pack player.

So by historical fact, they were middle of the pack NBA players.

Person who said Euroleague could in future steal middle of the pack NBA players, didn't mean that Euroleague can steal washed players who once were middle of the pack players but are not anymore. Yes, Krstic once was a good starting center in the NBA, but at a time he went back to Europe, he was injuries plagued non factor of the player at NBA level, first time he got back to Europe, he actually was very good, not a bust like you claim, to a point he got another NBA contract, where he did busted. Carlos Arroyo was average back up PG. Carlos Arroyo was always an NBA underachiever anyway, he was a superstar for Puerto Rico but was below average NBA back up point guard even in his prime.

These guys werent even that big of the signings. No one said holly **** Maccabi got Carlos Arroyo its all over. Some people might got exited for pure fact he was NBA player, but he wasnt superstar signing that beared massive expectations. They weren't Linas Kleiza or Josh Childress signings, which were huge at a time, because unlike most of the guys you mentioned, NBA actually wanted to keep those guys and offered them more than 1 year minimum. Poster mentioned something like that, he meant that in Future Euroleague teams could become destination for NBA players, not just NBA wash outs. Most players who sign with Euroleague clubs right now, especially AMericans are in fact NBA washouts, very few players actually have a choice and chooses Euroleague.

[Duffman100]

I just felt the need to express my hate for using gross salaries in negotiations. It simply reflects strength of negotiating sides (gross usage where companies are simply being interested in cost control only and net salary usage revealing economies or industry niches where employees are stronger side).

To compare salaries across countries fairly, one needs to include rents and cost of living as well (not that it matters in sallaries amounting in millions, but it is vitally important to regular people).

100%. There are developers in San Fran who are accepting fully remote roles for 100k less. Moving to butt **** nowhere and saving so much CNN more money.

[Mirotic12]

Person who said Euroleague could in future steal middle of the pack NBA players, didn't mean that Euroleague can steal washed players who once were middle of the pack players but are not anymore. Yes, Krstic once was a good starting center in the NBA, but at a time he went back to Europe, he was injuries plagued non factor of the player at NBA level, first time he got back to Europe, he actually was very good, not a bust like you claim, to a point he got another NBA contract, where he did busted. Carlos Arroyo was average back up PG. Carlos Arroyo was always an NBA underachiever anyway, he was a superstar for Puerto Rico but was below average NBA back up point guard even in his prime.

These guys werent even that big of the signings. No one said holly **** Maccabi got Carlos Arroyo its all over. Some people might got exited for pure fact he was NBA player, but he wasnt superstar signing that beared massive expectations. They weren't Linas Kleiza or Josh Childress signings, which were huge at a time, because unlike most of the guys you mentioned, NBA actually wanted to keep those guys and offered them more than 1 year minimum. Poster mentioned something like that, he meant that in Future Euroleague teams could become destination for NBA players, not just NBA wash outs. Most players who sign with Euroleague clubs right now, especially AMericans are in fact NBA washouts, very few players actually have a choice and chooses Euroleague.

I suggest you actually take a few seconds to use Google. What I posted was factually correct. Krstic and Arroyo were middle of the pack players, and signed in European clubs. In fact, both were main rotation players in the NBA after that. If I remember right Krstic was a starter in the NBA after he was in Europe. I think Arroyo was also like a 6th man in the NBA after he was signed in Europe.

I'm not going to waste my time to look it all up, because you are arguing something that is factually wrong, and you should take the time to check it, before you post about it.

[luka27]

Person who said Euroleague could in future steal middle of the pack NBA players, didn't mean that Euroleague can steal washed players who once were middle of the pack players but are not anymore. Yes, Krstic once was a good starting center in the NBA, but at a time he went back to Europe, he was injuries plagued non factor of the player at NBA level, first time he got back to Europe, he actually was very good, not a bust like you claim, to a point he got another NBA contract, where he did busted. Carlos Arroyo was average back up PG. Carlos Arroyo was always an NBA underachiever anyway, he was a superstar for Puerto Rico but was below average NBA back up point guard even in his prime.

These guys werent even that big of the signings. No one said holly **** Maccabi got Carlos Arroyo its all over. Some people might got exited for pure fact he was NBA player, but he wasnt superstar signing that beared massive expectations. They weren't Linas Kleiza or Josh Childress signings, which were huge at a time, because unlike most of the guys you mentioned, NBA actually wanted to keep those guys and offered them more than 1 year minimum. Poster mentioned something like that, he meant that in Future Euroleague teams could become destination for NBA players, not just NBA wash outs. Most players who sign with Euroleague clubs right now, especially AMericans are in fact NBA washouts, very few players actually have a choice and chooses Euroleague.

I suggest you actually take a few seconds to use Google. What I posted was factually correct. Krstic and Arroyo were middle of the pack players, and signed in European clubs. In fact, both were main rotation players in the NBA after that. If I remember right Krstic was a starter in the NBA after he was in Europe. I think Arroyo was also like a 6th man in the NBA after he was signed in Europe.

I'm not going to waste my time to look it all up, because you are arguing something that is factually wrong, and you should take the time to check it, before you post about it.

Stop making things up. Arroyo and Larkin had basically same minutes per game last few seasons before they went to Europe (15-25 min per game range). But Arroyo is middle of the pack and Larkin is not? Neither was a regular starter before they went to Euroleague.

Here some facts for you:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arroyca01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/larkish01.html

[UcanUwill]

I suggest you actually take a few seconds to use Google. What I posted was factually correct. Krstic and Arroyo were middle of the pack players, and signed in European clubs. In fact, both were main rotation players in the NBA after that. If I remember right Krstic was a starter in the NBA after he was in Europe. I think Arroyo was also like a 6th man in the NBA after he was signed in Europe.

I'm not going to waste my time to look it all up, because you are arguing something that is factually wrong, and you should take the time to check it, before you post about it.

You have very strange definition of middle of the pack players. You see, why I respond to you usually, is because people here dont really know much about International basketball, so I just dont like seeing your misinformation get in their heads, but you know, here I have nothing to prove, I know people here know exactly how good Krstic was post his Nets days, he sucked.

[Mirotic12]

You have very strange definition of middle of the pack players. You see, why I respond to you usually, is because people here dont really know much about International basketball, so I just dont like seeing your misinformation get in their heads, but you know, here I have nothing to prove, I know people here know exactly how good Krstic was post his Nets days, he sucked.

Krstic was a starter in the NBA after he had signed in Europe. The fact he was a terrible player means nothing to that issue of was he a starter or not. He was. Yes, he was a terrible player in the NBA. And just to correct what you said earlier, he was in fact also a terrible player in Europe. He's a prefect example of the myth that "all the best players in the world play in the NBA" is a totally ridiculous myth. He was playing terrible for years and years, both in the NBA and in Europe.

He was Kosta Koufos before Kosta Koufos. In other words getting big contracts in NBA and Europe, despite being awful in both.

Regardless, he was playing plenty in NBA, and signed in Europe, then came back to the NBA. So what I said was correct.

[timO]

I guess he isn't coming to OKC

okc is tanking, he will come in 1-2 years

[Mirotic12]

Stop making things up. Arroyo and Larkin had basically same minutes per game last few seasons before they went to Europe (15-25 min per game range). But Arroyo is middle of the pack and Larkin is not? Neither was a regular starter before they went to Euroleague.

Here some facts for you:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arroyca01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/larkish01.html

If you want to consider Larkin a "middle of the pack NBA player" that's your prerogative. From what I remember, he played as a 5th guard. But maybe my memory is wrong on that.

[luka27]

Stop making things up. Arroyo and Larkin had basically same minutes per game last few seasons before they went to Europe (15-25 min per game range). But Arroyo is middle of the pack and Larkin is not? Neither was a regular starter before they went to Euroleague.

Here some facts for you:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arroyca01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/larkish01.html

If you want to consider Larkin a "middle of the pack NBA player" that's your prerogative. From what I remember, he played as a 5th guard on terrible teams. But maybe my memory is wrong on that.

No, my point is that Arroyo is not "middle of the pack", not that Larkin is.

[Mirotic12]

No, my point is that Arroyo is not "middle of the pack", not that Larkin is.

Arroyo was a starter and 6th man and main rotation player for years and years. He was an NBA 6th man after he left the NBA and signed in Europe, and he went back to the NBA, where he was starting in like half the games. I'm not seeing how this is even a debate.

[UcanUwill]

You have very strange definition of middle of the pack players. You see, why I respond to you usually, is because people here dont really know much about International basketball, so I just dont like seeing your misinformation get in their heads, but you know, here I have nothing to prove, I know people here know exactly how good Krstic was post his Nets days, he sucked.

Krstic was a starter in the NBA after he had signed in Europe. The fact he was a terrible player means nothing to that issue of was he a starter or not. He was. Yes, he was a terrible player in the NBA. And just to correct what you said earlier, he was in fact also a terrible player in Europe. He's a prefect example of the myth that "all the best players in the world play in the NBA" is a totally ridiculous myth. He was playing terrible for years and years, both in the NBA and in Europe.

He was Kosta Koufous before Kosta Koufos. In other words getting big contracts in NBA and Europe, despite being awful in both.

Regardless, he was playing plenty in NBA, and signed in Europe, then came back to the NBA. So what I said was correct.

Yeah, the fact Nenad Krstic was on all Euroleague first team in 2012 and 2013 sure proves how much he sucked, he was only the best player at his position in the entire league, but he didnt win title so what a terrible player he was.