2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[BoyzNTheHood]

Chris Paul being the catalyst for the Suns to make the Finals

Don't forget that EVERY team the Suns have played has been missing a star player, so it's not just CP3 IMO. First round AD out and LBJ ailing, next round Jamal was out, last round Kahwi missed the last couple of games, just a Series of Unfortunate Events.

Kawhi didn't play in the series against the Suns at all.

[Vampirate]

Warriors get:
Pascal Siakam
OG Anunoby

Raptors get:
Andrew Wiggins
James Wiseman
Jordan Poole
#7
#14
2022 GSW 1st

The Ultimate TWO trade. Masai gets 4, 7, 14, Wiseman, Poole, 2022 1st, + assets for FVV later, and then a top 5 pick next year.

I know people are thinking we can get both picks for Siakam but unlikely. Warriors really value having an athlete on the wings in Wiggins and Siakam at C with Draymond is unclear if it’s perfect. It has to include OG for them to go all in.

You want us to give up the 2 best players in the trade?

OG is untouchable. Rebuild or not

Not untouchable, but the type of player you'd move OG for almost never becomes available.

[Asif16]

Siakam rumors are all Smokescreen. Just not gonna happen.

Raptors need to call up Indiana about Myles Turner. He's only 25yrs old and fits the team perfectly. Both fit-wise and Age wise. Would be a really good fit next to Siakam as well

Jalen Suggs (20 Yrs old)
Fred VanVleet (26 Yrs old)
OG Anunoby (23 yrs old)
Pascal Siakam (27 yrs old)
Myles Turner (25 yrs old)
Gary Trent JR. (22 yrs old)
Malachi Flynn (23 yrs old)

If Kyle Lowry goes to Philly....we can add one of Thybulle (24 yrs old), Maxey (20 yrs old) or Shake Milton (24yrs old) to the group as well

[2019nbachamps]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see us trade Flynn by next year. Even if Lowry leaves it’ll be hard to find minutes for Flynn.

[Asif16]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see us trade Flynn by next year. Even if Lowry leaves it’ll be hard to find minutes for Flynn.

I disagree. Flynn's ceiling right now looks to be a solid Back-Up point guard in today's league. Assuming we add a Guard (Suggs, Green)....Flynn should be the lead PG for the 2nd unit.

Keep in mind, Lowry is 100% gone in this scenario

[Asif16]

1. Chris Boucher
Paul Watson JR.
Rodney Hood (Salary Matching Purposes)
2021 2nd
2022 2nd

for

Myles Turner

2. S&T Kyle Lowry for Matisse Thybule, Mike Scott, George Hill (Salary), Future 2nd
- Waive George Hill

3. Re-Sign Gary Trent Jr
Re-Sign Khem Birch
Draft Jalen Suggs with 4th Overall Pick

2021/2022 Roster:

Jalen Suggs / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent JR.
OG Anunoby / Yuta Watanabe / Deandre Bembry
Pascal Siakam / Matisse Thybule / Mike Scott
Myles Turner / Khem Birch / Freddie GIllespie

[OAKLEY_2]

Wouldn’t be surprised to see us trade Flynn by next year. Even if Lowry leaves it’ll be hard to find minutes for Flynn.

I disagree. Flynn's ceiling right now looks to be a solid Back-Up point guard in today's league. Assuming we add a Guard (Suggs, Green)....Flynn should be the lead PG for the 2nd unit.

Keep in mind, Lowry is 100% gone in this scenario

100 per cent gone in most scenarios. Lowry ain't coming back. He will still get paid which is the bottomline of the departure.

[OAKLEY_2]

Flynn next year can get 16-20 minutes firmly in the rotation.

[OAKLEY_2]

If we send Kyle to Philly we are taking back bodies. That's going to be a problem IMHO as they would steal minutes from developing players. So I actually see Lowry walking for nothing giving us 19 mil cap space. Chicago for double S+T with Markannen is about the only deal I could see. Chicago while making a stupid trade that failed could be picked up by the bootstraps with Lowry.

Thad/Vucecic/Zach Lavine
Lowry/Coby White

Great bench.

[Rapsfan07]

1. Chris Boucher
Paul Watson JR.
Rodney Hood (Salary Matching Purposes)
2021 2nd
2022 2nd

for

Myles Turner

2. S&T Kyle Lowry for Matisse Thybule, Mike Scott, George Hill (Salary), Future 2nd
- Waive George Hill

3. Re-Sign Gary Trent Jr
Re-Sign Khem Birch
Draft Jalen Suggs with 4th Overall Pick

2021/2022 Roster:

Jalen Suggs / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent JR.
OG Anunoby / Yuta Watanabe / Deandre Bembry
Pascal Siakam / Matisse Thybule / Mike Scott
Myles Turner / Khem Birch / Freddie GIllespie

I can personally guarantee you Pacers aren't dealing Turner for a fringe rotation wing, 2 seconds and expiring salary. There will absolutely be better offers on the table, despite what you may think about Myles Turner.

[Asif16]

1. Chris Boucher
Paul Watson JR.
Rodney Hood (Salary Matching Purposes)
2021 2nd
2022 2nd

for

Myles Turner

2. S&T Kyle Lowry for Matisse Thybule, Mike Scott, George Hill (Salary), Future 2nd
- Waive George Hill

3. Re-Sign Gary Trent Jr
Re-Sign Khem Birch
Draft Jalen Suggs with 4th Overall Pick

2021/2022 Roster:

Jalen Suggs / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent JR.
OG Anunoby / Yuta Watanabe / Deandre Bembry
Pascal Siakam / Matisse Thybule / Mike Scott
Myles Turner / Khem Birch / Freddie GIllespie

I can personally guarantee you Pacers aren't dealing Turner for a fringe rotation wing, 2 seconds and expiring salary. There will absolutely be better offers on the table, despite what you may think about Myles Turner.

Yeah honestly I was thinking about that. What about the Boucher, Flynn + Future 1st?

Might need to get a 3rd team involved to re-allocate some more assets going to Indy. I just think Myles Turner should 100% be a target

[Rapsfan07]

If we send Kyle to Philly we are taking back bodies. That's going to be a problem IMHO as they would steal minutes from developing players. So I actually see Lowry walking for nothing giving us 19 mil cap space. Chicago for double S+T with Markannen is about the only deal I could see. Chicago while making a stupid trade that failed could be picked up by the bootstraps with Lowry.

Thad/Vucecic/Zach Lavine
Lowry/Coby White

Great bench.

Markkanen isn't a good fit with Siakam though, that's the problem.

But if the plan is to move Siakam, this could potentially work....if the Bulls can't do better than Lowry...which I'm not entirely sure is the case.

[Asif16]

I see nothing wrong with taking on Bodies from a Kyle Lowry S&T. It's about collecting assets. Gives us more leeway for the future.

Not to mention, Philly has 2 young players the Raptors would for sure try to get their hands on in either Tyrese Maxey or Matisse Thybule. If we can grab one of those players in a S&T, that would be considered a win

[Rapsfan07]

1. Chris Boucher
Paul Watson JR.
Rodney Hood (Salary Matching Purposes)
2021 2nd
2022 2nd

for

Myles Turner

2. S&T Kyle Lowry for Matisse Thybule, Mike Scott, George Hill (Salary), Future 2nd
- Waive George Hill

3. Re-Sign Gary Trent Jr
Re-Sign Khem Birch
Draft Jalen Suggs with 4th Overall Pick

2021/2022 Roster:

Jalen Suggs / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent JR.
OG Anunoby / Yuta Watanabe / Deandre Bembry
Pascal Siakam / Matisse Thybule / Mike Scott
Myles Turner / Khem Birch / Freddie GIllespie

I can personally guarantee you Pacers aren't dealing Turner for a fringe rotation wing, 2 seconds and expiring salary. There will absolutely be better offers on the table, despite what you may think about Myles Turner.

Yeah honestly I was thinking about that. What about the Boucher, Flynn + Future 1st?

Might need to get a 3rd team involved to re-allocate some more assets going to Indy. I just think Myles Turner should 100% be a target

I think Myles Turner should 100% be our main focus this offseason as well. The most I'd offer is Boucher and 1st and a second. And that 1st isn't going to be this years, unless that pick is broken down into lesser ones.

[Bruin]

This would’ve been a great deal for Philly imo. This might mean they’re holding out for Lowry though

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[Morris_Shatford]

I have never been an advocate of Simmons to Toronto;
But is that sort of offer is anywhere near what he will ultimately go for than I would almost consider it just to try and rehab some value and move him again next off-season.

[Bruin]

I have never been an advocate of Simmons to Toronto;
But is that sort of offer is anywhere near what he will ultimately go for than I would almost consider it just to try and rehab some value and move him again next off-season.

That’s basically Fred and a future first. I’d imagine we could beat that offer if we wanted

[Spida888]

This would’ve been a great deal for Philly imo. This might mean they’re holding out for Lowry though

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Interesting, if Philly works out a deal for Simmons, then they would for sure move Turner/Sabonis, way too many bigs.

I could see them rejecting that offer, it's not that sexy. I don't think they'll take Lowry for Simmons either especially when Morey downplayed Lowry's trade value earlier.

Philly will probably try to get Lillard/Beal with Simmons + picks, but it may not work out for them. They should have kept Butler and got rid of Harris.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

There has to be a way to move Lowry to LAL, and work out a deal with Schroeder to get him to the Bulls and we take back Lauri. Wouldn’t mind him on our bench as the first scoring option and could fill in as Siakam gets back

Maybe S&T Lowry for LAL FRP, Schroeder and move Schroeder to the Bulls in a S&T for Lauri and a second rounder

We end up moving Lowry for 1 FRP, a SRP and Lauri Markonnen

Edit: Depending on what Dennis and Lowry agree to sign for, this works out well for the Bulls who both want to unload Lauri and need a point guard that can run an offense. They have been rumored around Lonzo but would have to do cap gymnastics to get him and he isn't really a PnR point guard. Dennis might say yes because he gets to be a lead guard again and not play off of Lebron

[RapsFanInOhio]

This off-season could really go a lot of different ways. It feels like it will be more active than the last couple have been in terms of adding new players to the roster. There have obviously been new signings and roster turnover the past couple of years but this summer feels like we’re going to be adding more significant pieces or at least shaking things up a bit more than it seemed like a month or two ago.

I’ve also flip flopped on what I think Masai / Bobby will now do with the roster. Just over the last week for example, I now think Lowry is gone. Miami and Dallas are going to make cap space for Kawhi, so they are legit options because one or both of them is going to strike out. I also think Philly or even LAC will get into the mix because they know we’ll do a sign and trade. I have wanted Lowry to come back but I also think it’s less likely now no matter who we end up picking - mostly because I think they’re going to move the roster in a different direction than I originally thought. I now think they’re going to trend younger and accumulate assets instead of maximizing this core. So whereas before I thought there was less of a chance that Pascal is moved, now I think there’s more of a chance, especially if there’s someone available at 7 that we really want. All in all, I think the roster has the chance to be both really different and really deep depending on the moves we make.

That said, let’s say Lowry goes to someone like Philly and we move Pascal to Golden State:

Fred / Flynn / George Hill (who would likely be re-routed)
GTJ / Curry / Suggs (#4)
Wiggins / Moses Moody (#14) / Bembry or Stanley
OG / Boucher / Sengun (#7) / Yuta
Birch / Wiseman / Gillespie

That sorta feels a little extreme but it’s not a crazy stretch if Lowry goes to Philly or Siakam is moved.