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Post#21 » by TrueNorth31 » Fri Jul 2, 2021 6:53 pm

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Thanks for another fantastic preview. Your contributions are invaluable.

Canada plays Lithuania on Saturday, Japan on Sunday, and Senegal on Tuesday.

Anyone know the TV situation? FIBA YouTube?


Yes, FIBA Youtube.


I believe it is also streaming on DAZN.


I don't think so, at least not yet.

I have Dazn and no games are scheduled.

The other option is Fiba live TV . Youtube generally covers the early games , but the playoffs are generally on a paid service in Canada. In the future Sportsnet will cover these games, once the Dazn deal expires this year.
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Post#22 » by TrueNorth31 » Fri Jul 2, 2021 7:27 pm

Just superb stuff Hair Canada. A couple of comments.

- We caught a break in our first game against Lithuania as they are allowing only 700 fans into the arena. The game while in Latvia is in a border town on the Lithuanian border. If they didn't have these limits we would have been in a sea of crazy green and yellow maniacs.

- Finally a national team with legit size as we have 3 footers. Often we'd role into these tournaments with great guard and wing play only to lose to teams with size ( Turkey, Serbia and Spain ). Not anymore.

- Senegal is good. Great size, but quite raw. To me they look like the Senegal U23 squad as some of the birthdates look quite suspect ( see Ibaka and Bismack Biyombo ) . I suppose in a third world country where most players are born in a rural environment primarily by midwives and a very poor administrative structure this is bound to happen ( as in baseball and the D.R. ) . Fiba wants the game to flourish in Africa so this may be the price to pay.
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Post#23 » by Jstock12 » Fri Jul 2, 2021 8:00 pm

TrueNorth31 wrote:- We caught a break in our first game against Lithuania as they are allowing only 700 fans into the arena. The game while in Latvia is in a border town on the Lithuanian border. If they didn't have these limits we would have been in a sea of crazy green and yellow maniacs.


Sadly, you'd be surprised. Even the final game of the Olympic Qualifier in Kaunas (Lithuania) that is likely to be between Doncic's Slovenia and Lithuania hasn't been completely sold out yet... COVID has really affected people's desire to go to basketball games here in Lithuania. That's even more true for going outside the country to Latvia. Don't expect many Lithuanian fans in that game against Canada.
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Post#24 » by Hair Canada » Fri Jul 2, 2021 8:18 pm

TrueNorth31 wrote:Just superb stuff Hair Canada. A couple of comments.

- We caught a break in our first game against Lithuania as they are allowing only 700 fans into the arena. The game while in Latvia is in a border town on the Lithuanian border. If they didn't have these limits we would have been in a sea of crazy green and yellow maniacs.

- Finally a national team with legit size as we have 3 footers. Often we'd role into these tournaments with great guard and wing play only to lose to teams with size ( Turkey, Serbia and Spain ). Not anymore.

- Senegal is good. Great size, but quite raw. To me they look like the Senegal U23 squad as some of the birthdates look quite suspect ( see Ibaka and Bismack Biyombo ) . I suppose in a third world country where most players are born in a rural environment primarily by midwives and a very poor administrative structure this is bound to happen ( as in baseball and the D.R. ) . Fiba wants the game to flourish in Africa so this may be the price to pay.


Thanks True North. That's so true about the bigs. Edey in particular can be such an advantage in the paint if utilized well. It's on Nembhard, Mathurin, and the other guards/wings to make sure that it happens.
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Post#25 » by Bruin » Sat Jul 3, 2021 12:14 am

I’ve been hearing about Victor Wembanyama for years now. Hope Canada matches up with France at some point so I can take a look and see what the hype is about
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Post#26 » by Hair Canada » Sat Jul 3, 2021 12:29 am

An interesting power ranking before the start of the tournament on the FIBA website (not sure who the writer is, but they seem to know their stuff).

Canada is 3rd, with backup playmaking highlighted as a potential weakness. The US is first and Serbia second with Jovic and strong guard play.

Lithuania at 7, Senegal at 13, and Japan at 15 corroborates that this is not the toughest group.

Mali at 10 might be a bit underrated.

https://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2021/news/power-ranking-u19-world-cup
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Post#27 » by mojo13 » Sat Jul 3, 2021 2:32 am

Hair Canada wrote:An interesting power ranking before the start of the tournament on the FIBA website (not sure who the writer is, but they seem to know their stuff).

Canada is 3rd, with backup playmaking highlighted as a potential weakness. The US is first and Serbia second with Jovic and strong guard play.

Lithuania at 7, Senegal at 13, and Japan at 15 corroborates that this is not the toughest group.

Mali at 10 might be a bit underrated.

https://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2021/news/power-ranking-u19-world-cup


Lol…that’s you my friend.

It is David Hein, a FIBA writer. He was asking for more info on Canada and I sent him this thread. His review on Canada is him just regurgitating your writing.
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Post#28 » by TrueNorth31 » Sat Jul 3, 2021 2:44 pm

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Hair Canada wrote:An interesting power ranking before the start of the tournament on the FIBA website (not sure who the writer is, but they seem to know their stuff).

Canada is 3rd, with backup playmaking highlighted as a potential weakness. The US is first and Serbia second with Jovic and strong guard play.

Lithuania at 7, Senegal at 13, and Japan at 15 corroborates that this is not the toughest group.

Mali at 10 might be a bit underrated.

https://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2021/news/power-ranking-u19-world-cup


Lol…that’s you my friend.

It is David Hein, a FIBA writer. He was asking for more info on Canada and I sent him this thread. His review on Canada is him just regurgitating your writing.


As they say, imitation is the best form of flattery.

Hein is a good guy though , he can't possibly know every country in the world and is looking for reliable sources. He seems to have a soft spot for Canada.
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Post#29 » by Hair Canada » Sat Jul 3, 2021 4:19 pm

Some thoughts about the first game and the win (80:71) over Lituania:

First, this is probably the worst we can play. Lithuania, as expected, is quite thin on elite talent but played really great team basketball and showcased the terrific Tubelis. We had a really bad start, with shots that just wouldn't go in, a lot of silly turnovers, bad shot selection and some hero-ball, and defense that was really uncoordinated and gave too many open 3s and points in the paint for Tubelis.

All that, together with some bad individual performances (below) and a brilliant, near-perfect game from Tubelis, who looked like a young Sabonis, put us in a 14-point hole with 3 minutes to go in the third. The last 13 minutes were obviously much more encouraging (we scored 25 more points than the Lithuanians in these) and we should build on these. Just as a reminder, the 2017 U19 team looked pretty bad in its opening game (Barrett was also weak) and lost to a good but not great Spanish team. We all know how that ended.


In terms of individual performances.

THE GOOD:

Fisher gave the spark this time and deserves to come first here. Finishes with the highest +/- on the team (26) and it was not a coincidence. He didn't start well and committed some silly fouls that drove him off the court, but in the second half, he showed his defensive potential as a point-of-attack defender, where his strength, lateral speed, length, and enthusiasm really bothered the Lithuanian PG and completely changed the momentum of the game. He also played within himself on offense and let the game come to him, not forcing shots. Let's hope he can continue with that and maybe even get more confidence.

Nembhard was uncharacteristically horrible in the first 3 and a half quarters, which exposed again how much this team depends on him (Kyle Duke was only thrown in for a couple of minutes when there seemed to be no choice). Bad decisions (again, not characteristic), missed open shots, and just couldn't be positive. But what I really like about him is that, unlike his older brother, he never puts his head down and just continues to attack the basket and create. And in the final 4 minutes of the game, really it paid off, with 14 points (!) that won the game.

Edey was a bit of a mixed bag. Showed how he can dominate at this level and was really good on the boards at both ends. But also made some bad decisions (should not get the ball away from the basket), didn't always finish emphatically (resulting in point-blank misses), was uncharacteristically inaccurate from the line, and had some trouble staying with quick guys on defense because of his quick feet. Overall, though, hs was positive for me.

Houstan showed again why he's our best player and prospect, though he did not have a particularly efficient game. Forced too many tough shots, but his shooting and feel are elite and he has a knack for scoring.

Owusu-Anane played quite a bit and gave good energies (was +17) and some finishing under the rim.


THE BAD:

Here we have to start with Mathurin, who was really quite awful. His shot didn't fall and he did try to stay aggressive, but made bad decisions and just couldn't get into the game. The only way from here for him is up and I'm sure he'll bounce back.

Bediako also couldn't get into the game, with quick fouls that kind of derailed him and some silly misses under the rim. Same as Mathurin, he'll be better henceforward and I still think he has an important role on this team.

O-Max actually started well, but later on, kind of got lost on the offensive end and was not at all able to contain Tubelis despite considerable efforts. He can also play better.


The rest of the guys didn't play enough (Hill didn't see the court at all) to say anything about them.


Taking a bird's eye look, this win almost surely means we're gonna end 1st in Group A and I expect the next three games (Senegal and Japan, and then a game against the worst team in Group C) to be smooth sailing.

Then we'll get a decent rival in the quarter-finals (hopefully when we're already running full speed) and the bad news is that we're heading toward a meeting with the US in the semis. But there's still time till we're there.
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Post#30 » by Bruin » Sat Jul 3, 2021 4:29 pm

Is there anywhere I can find the box score?
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Post#31 » by mojo13 » Sat Jul 3, 2021 4:29 pm

Arnt we the second ranked team in the tournament?how do we catch the USA in the semis? Or did they give latvia the number 1 seed?
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Post#32 » by Hair Canada » Sat Jul 3, 2021 4:53 pm

PrinceAli wrote:Is there anywhere I can find the box score?


http://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2021/game/0307/Canada-Lithuania#tab=boxscore
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Post#34 » by Hair Canada » Sat Jul 3, 2021 4:55 pm

mojo13 wrote:Arnt we the second ranked team in the tournament?how do we catch the USA in the semis? Or did they give latvia the number 1 seed?


Don't know, hope I'm reading this wrong, but I don't think so. FIBA often does these things though. Might be in the name of some inter-continental balance, just like when we got the group of death in the last senior WC.
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Post#35 » by frumble » Sat Jul 3, 2021 6:13 pm

Hair Canada wrote:
mojo13 wrote:Arnt we the second ranked team in the tournament?how do we catch the USA in the semis? Or did they give latvia the number 1 seed?


Don't know, hope I'm reading this wrong, but I don't think so. FIBA often does these things though. Might be in the name of some inter-continental balance, just like when we got the group of death in the last senior WC.


I don't think you are reading it wrong. If Canada and the US each win their groups than they are on the same half of the bracket and would meet in the semifinals if they win their round of 16 and QF games.
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Post#36 » by TrueNorth31 » Sat Jul 3, 2021 6:43 pm

Hair Canada wrote:Some thoughts about the first game and the win (80:71) over Lituania:

First, this is probably the worst we can play. Lithuania, as expected, is quite thin on elite talent but played really great team basketball and showcased the terrific Tubelis. We had a really bad start, with shots that just wouldn't go in, a lot of silly turnovers, bad shot selection and some hero-ball, and defense that was really uncoordinated and gave too many open 3s and points in the paint for Tubelis.

All that, together with some bad individual performances (below) and a brilliant, near-perfect game from Tubelis, who looked like a young Sabonis, put us in a 14-point hole with 3 minutes to go in the third. The last 13 minutes were obviously much more encouraging (we scored 25 more points than the Lithuanians in these) and we should build on these. Just as a reminder, the 2017 U19 team looked pretty bad in its opening game (Barrett was also weak) and lost to a good but not great Spanish team. We all know how that ended.


In terms of individual performances.

THE GOOD:

Fisher gave the spark this time and deserves to come first here. Finishes with the highest +/- on the team (26) and it was not a coincidence. He didn't start well and committed some silly fouls that drove him off the court, but in the second half, he showed his defensive potential as a point-of-attack defender, where his strength, lateral speed, length, and enthusiasm really bothered the Lithuanian PG and completely changed the momentum of the game. He also played within himself on offense and let the game come to him, not forcing shots. Let's hope he can continue with that and maybe even get more confidence.

Nembhard was uncharacteristically horrible in the first 3 and a half quarters, which exposed again how much this team depends on him (Kyle Duke was only thrown in for a couple of minutes when there seemed to be no choice). Bad decisions (again, not characteristic), missed open shots, and just couldn't be positive. But what I really like about him is that, unlike his older brother, he never puts his head down and just continues to attack the basket and create. And in the final 4 minutes of the game, really it paid off, with 14 points (!) that won the game.

Edey was a bit of a mixed bag. Showed how he can dominate at this level and was really good on the boards at both ends. But also made some bad decisions (should not get the ball away from the basket), didn't always finish emphatically (resulting in point-blank misses), was uncharacteristically inaccurate from the line, and had some trouble staying with quick guys on defense because of his quick feet. Overall, though, hs was positive for me.

Houstan showed again why he's our best player and prospect, though he did not have a particularly efficient game. Forced too many tough shots, but his shooting and feel are elite and he has a knack for scoring.

Owusu-Anane played quite a bit and gave good energies (was +17) and some finishing under the rim.


THE BAD:

Here we have to start with Mathurin, who was really quite awful. His shot didn't fall and he did try to stay aggressive, but made bad decisions and just couldn't get into the game. The only way from here for him is up and I'm sure he'll bounce back.

Bediako also couldn't get into the game, with quick fouls that kind of derailed him and some silly misses under the rim. Same as Mathurin, he'll be better henceforward and I still think he has an important role on this team.

O-Max actually started well, but later on, kind of got lost on the offensive end and was not at all able to contain Tubelis despite considerable efforts. He can also play better.


The rest of the guys didn't play enough (Hill didn't see the court at all) to say anything about them.


Taking a bird's eye look, this win almost surely means we're gonna end 1st in Group A and I expect the next three games (Senegal and Japan, and then a game against the worst team in Group C) to be smooth sailing.

Then we'll get a decent rival in the quarter-finals (hopefully when we're already running full speed) and the bad news is that we're heading toward a meeting with the US in the semis. But there's still time till we're there.


Good analysis - my thoughts.

- As typical for Canada our relative lack of preparation and to a certain degree continuity compared to other countries hurt us. In the early going we were really sloppy with our offensive sets and defensive rotations. We looked like a bunch of jet lagged kids with no official exhibition games and a little over a week of practice. Like so many Canadian teams ( as in hockey ) we tend to improve as things roll along.

- Give Lithuania credit. They have only 2.8 million people , but basketball is their passion and number one sport. They also tend to have a lot of big people and Tubelis was great. They play with heart and run great stuff , but their level of athletic guard play was poor.

- The defensive intensity of Fisher was huge. He's Lou Dort at this level ( except a little longer and a much better handle at the same age ) . His defence on Sarunas Marciulionis son was great ( I was underwhelmed by his kid - bad attitude ( took a T for flopping ) almost started 2 fights and generally wasn't much good , although I give him credit for his compete level ) . Keep in mind Fisher is real young only age 17 in a 19 year old tournament.

- Edey was his usual unpolished self ( the hot take honey's on twitter were being silly ) looking great 1 minute, poor the next. People need to remember he's a work in progress as he's relatively new to basketball ( was a hockey/baseball player growing up ). I agree he was generally positive ( + 16 with 16 rebounds ) and Bediako will be better which will keep Edey fresher. Edey is also a much better free throw shooter who averaged 71.4 % from the line in college than he showed today, the kid has some touch.

- Nembhard is certainly a fighter. Starting on the top prep school in the country certainly gives you a lot of confidence ( is he a young Kevin Pangos ? ) I just wish he was a little taller like his brother.

- If we actually start to run some plays , Mathurin and Houstan will be better.

Still in many ways can't believe we actually won.
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Post#37 » by casoldi » Sun Jul 4, 2021 10:52 am

Such a dangerous play by their center on Zach. Glad they didnt put him back in the game.

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Post#38 » by Hair Canada » Sun Jul 4, 2021 1:14 pm

Thoughts about the easy 100-75 win against Japan.

First, this was not a smooth sailing throughout as the final score might suggest. Another horrible first quarter (Japan led by 2 after 1). Not sure if it’s a mental issue or the lack of proper preparation and any pre-tournament scrimmages. Hopefully it’s the latter and it gets better as the tournament continues. But maybe the guys are stepping into court with the knowledge that they are much more talented than the other team? Or maybe it’s just jitters. Anyway, against better teams we cannot afford to let the other team open up a margin before starting to play. We’ll need to be better at that.

Anyway, after about 15 bad minutes we settled down and in the third quarter the game was already flowing, showing how talented this team is.

One lingering point of concern, that was obvious even before the tournament: We are really over-dependent on Nembhard and very susceptible to pressure. Nembhard didn’t see a minute of rest till 3 minutes into the fourth quarter, when we were leading by 35. And once Duke and the second unit came in, you could see why that is. In just 7 minutes, they turned the ball over 10 times (4 of them Duke) and really had a hard time even passing mid court against the Japanese pressure. And it’s not like Nembhard even had a great game (he didn’t). It’s just that we’re really vulnerable at PG.

As for individual performances:

THE GOOD

Mathurin. After a tough opener, Ben settled in and was fantastic. A terrific and efficient 30-point game in 26 minutes of action, with great efficiency (11 of 15 from the field; 6 of 9 from 3). Didn’t force shots, made the right plays, and showed his excellent stroke, together with encouraging signs of handle and better decision making. Had a huge physical advantage in this game and he used it very well, showing a lot of patience. And once he got into his rhythm, he showed that he’s not just a catch and shoot guy, flashing some beautiful step-back threes. Hope this gets him into the tournament. My only complaint is that at times he gave up on easy catch-and-shoots for a more contested shot. Was able to make them, but I would like to see him make the easy read without hesitating.

Edey. Still a bit heavy and slow, and continues to make some mistakes that have to do mainly with lack of experience. But he’s such a force under the basket, particularly on the offensive end. His long hands seem to reach almost any ball that bounces around the rim and he has enough strength to finish plays well. 14 points and 15 board in just 17 minutes of play.

Bediako. A much better game today for him as well. Was able to get to his spot and draw fouls, shot well from the line, and was a defensive presence (5 blocks). He and Edey really cover the center position well.

Fisher. Another efficient game from the youngster, though not as good as the first one. Was able to show again his fantastic strength and body control. I still think he’s a bit too predictable going only to his right and not having much of an outside game, but at this level it works well for him.

O-Max. Showed off his great athleticism and energy in a couple of plays (two huge dunks in traffic) and also that he can make the outside shot. Was also good on the defensive side of the floor. Still not as assertive as I would like him to be, but had a good game. Hope he can continue to connect the dots with time.

THE BAD

Houstan. Another bad shooting performance (2 of 14 from the field; 1 of 10 from 3). I thought he settled too much with the threes even though they were not going in (though most of them were pretty good shots). But I guess that’s his game and at some point they will start falling. Even in a weak game like this one, he was able to provide very good defense, with steals, important defensive rebounds, and excellent containment of opposing guards. Not worried about him.

Nembhard. Another bad first half for our only PG, though the third quarter was much better. It’s not that Nembhard was awful, it’s just that we depend on him so much that when he’s not at his best it really hurts this team.

Depth. As I noted above, beyond our 7 leading players (Nembhard, Mathurin, Houstan, Fisher, O-Max, Edey, and Bediako), there’s a real drop in the level of play with the next 5. Today they were all a minus, including Owusu-Anane who was good in the first game. To be fair, they don’t get too many chances, but today they didn’t really show they deserve more minutes (especially Brown-Ferguson). Hopefully at least one or two of them can pick up their game and contribute down the line.


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Post#39 » by bozothepope » Sun Jul 4, 2021 3:00 pm

I noticed that Duke had a jersey on that said "Simpson" on the back. Is he going by that now?
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Post#40 » by ItsDanger » Sun Jul 4, 2021 3:38 pm

Edey averaging 15.5 RPG. Meanwhile we had Bennett on senior team.

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