Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

[HarthorneWingo]

So where're we at with the off season?

Knicks about to trade all their youth and picks for a "star" where the Knicks get ass raped prison style by the other team.

More Ugu!

[Marty McFly]

Apparently according to the athletic (which is usually an educated analysis) we have a big advantage because Lillard is a SuperMax at 44 mill. Not many teams have the space and some that could clear the room aren't a good fit for him. If we offer RJ that is a legit piece that is well thought of around the league and has upside. So taking on his supermax combined with a legit piece in RJ it will may drop the FRPs needed to 3 with maybe a swap or two thrown in.

If that is the case we may STILL would have enough ammo to execute another trade for say a Beal , Lavine or SGA.

Lillard trade:
RJ, Knox, 2021 #19, 2022 swap option, 2023 FRP, 2024 swap option, 2025 FRP

SGA, Beal , or Levine trade:
Obi Toppin , 2021 #21, 2023 Dal FRP, 2023 2nd rd , 2026 FRP

Is that 2nd trade enough for Beal or SGA? Maybe , maybe not. The alternate route is Kawhi, Paul or Derozen straight up in FA.

Trading away almost all the future #1 picks for the next 5 years is a gamble I wouldn't take.

These are the kind of deals you make if you're looking to contend for a 3 years as a top team, max. we all know the knicks suck at drafting and that they don't give a **** about developing players. I think if any of this gets it done, it will get done. I suppose if you win a title it would be worth it.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Apparently according to the athletic (which is usually an educated analysis) we have a big advantage because Lillard is a SuperMax at 44 mill. Not many teams have the space and some that could clear the room aren't a good fit for him. If we offer RJ that is a legit piece that is well thought of around the league and has upside. So taking on his supermax combined with a legit piece in RJ it will may drop the FRPs needed to 3 with maybe a swap or two thrown in.

If that is the case we may STILL would have enough ammo to execute another trade for say a Beal , Lavine or SGA.

Lillard trade:
RJ, Knox, 2021 #19, 2022 swap option, 2023 FRP, 2024 swap option, 2025 FRP

SGA, Beal , or Levine trade:
Obi Toppin , 2021 #21, 2023 Dal FRP, 2023 2nd rd , 2026 FRP

Is that 2nd trade enough for Beal or SGA? Maybe , maybe not. The alternate route is Kawhi, Paul or Derozen straight up in FA.

these set of deals aren't even legal because they violate the stepien rule

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[blanko]

Sga and kemba for iq/knox all of our picks this year and the dallas pick?

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[thebuzzardman]

Sga and kemba for iq/knox all of our picks this year and the dallas pick?

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I like IQ but sign me up

[Dave DaButcher]

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Brogdon on the block. Get it done, Leon.

[Juco24]

Sga and kemba for iq/knox all of our picks this year and the dallas pick?

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If we have to take on Kembas contract... not also giving up IQ AND our picks. That's a little much imo

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Brogdon on the block. Get it done, Leon.

I don't think Philly moves him in the conference, like most big time deals, they tend to punt to the opposing side. The Knicks have the assets for Brogdon, but I'm pretty sure if this deal was actually real, it's because Simmons can play PG himself. If they don't have Brogdon or Simmons at PG, they are pretty garbage. The Knicks can't offer a starting PG, but maybe something centered around the the picks would deliver a Brogdon type of player though. Pacers always seem to be trying to recreate the wheel.

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All these "monitoring" reports are starting to sound like "thoughts and prayers" after mass shootings.

[louisorr]

Can we all agree to stop putting Knox in our fantasy trade proposals as if he's some sort of sweetener to the deal.
It would be like going to a breakfast joint and being swayed to order the eggs benedict because the crappy fruit salad on the side of the potatoes is advertised with a leaf of parsley on top.

[blanko]

Can we all agree to stop putting Knox in our fantasy trade proposals as if he's some sort of sweetener to the deal.
It would be like going to a breakfast joint and being swayed to order the eggs benedict because the crappy fruit salad on the side of the potatoes is advertised with a leaf of parsley on top.

Its mostly for salary

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[blanko]

I really think we should offer all of our picks this year and the dallas pick for sga. Throw in iq if needed.

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[Marty McFly]

Sga and kemba for iq/knox all of our picks this year and the dallas pick?

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If we have to take on Kembas contract... not also giving up IQ AND our picks. That's a little much imo

with all due respect, its actually not, when the knicks can't draft for ****. SGA is 22 years old. Barring any injuries, he'd be our point guard for a decade.

[blanko]

Sga and kemba for iq/knox all of our picks this year and the dallas pick?

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If we have to take on Kembas contract... not also giving up IQ AND our picks. That's a little much imo

with all due respect, its actually not, when the knicks can't draft for ****. SGA is 22 years old. Barring any injuries, he'd be our point guard for a decade.

Exactly and he fits well with rj. A backcourt of sga and rj would be a nightmare on both ends of the court.

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[HarthorneWingo]

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Brogdon on the block. Get it done, Leon.

I don't think Philly moves him in the conference, like most big time deals, they tend to punt to the opposing side. The Knicks have the assets for Brogdon, but I'm pretty sure if this deal was actually real, it's because Simmons can play PG himself. If they don't have Brogdon or Simmons at PG, they are pretty garbage. The Knicks can't offer a starting PG, but maybe something centered around the the picks would deliver a Brogdon type of player though. Pacers always seem to be trying to recreate the wheel.

Maybe the Sixers sign Lowry or make a move another PG? He and Embiid can be on the court together. Simmons is gone. I heard from someone one the podcasts that they see Simmons as Point/Center, whatever that means. Well I guess it means that he cannot play the 1,2, or 3 positions.

[HarthorneWingo]

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All these "monitoring" reports are starting to sound like "thoughts and prayers" after mass shootings.

Or the Mets being "interested" or "seriously interested" in every available free agent every off season.

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Brogdon on the block. Get it done, Leon.

I don't think Philly moves him in the conference, like most big time deals, they tend to punt to the opposing side. The Knicks have the assets for Brogdon, but I'm pretty sure if this deal was actually real, it's because Simmons can play PG himself. If they don't have Brogdon or Simmons at PG, they are pretty garbage. The Knicks can't offer a starting PG, but maybe something centered around the the picks would deliver a Brogdon type of player though. Pacers always seem to be trying to recreate the wheel.

Maybe the Sixers sign Lowry or make a move another PG? He and Embiid can be on the court together. Simmons is gone. I heard from someone one the podcasts that they see Simmons as Point/Center, whatever that means. Well I guess it means that he cannot play the 1,2, or 3 positions.

How would they sign lowery? Arent they over the cap?

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[Brandingo83]

I’m not trading RJ for any player not named Dame. Even with Dame, I wouldn’t want to but we would probably have to. Here’s my only positive scenario I mapped out where we can trade for Dame and still have a pretty nice and sorta deep team.

- [Damian Lillard & Robert Covington for RJ Barrett, Mitchell Robinson, Obi Toppin, Kevin Knox, 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, Mavs 2023, 2024 1st & a couple 2023 2nds.]

Didn’t want to come off bias by trying to keep one of Mitch or Obi. The caveat is that we keep our current picks this draft though. I chose to keep IQ for his rookie contract, his shooting and energy & his fit. Mitch has a contract situation coming up and I think we can find bigs who’d want to play here a year for the cheap (Dwight, Drummond, etc).

With the trade above, we maintain enough cap space to keep D Rose cap hold, which is important. We can go over the cap to re-sign D Rose and have him backup Dame.
So Boom, PG rotation is:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza

Then we get to the SG position. As I said, we keep this draft’s picks. I still think we go after Bouknight. So I’m gonna go overboard a bit because I don’t have time to figure out draft trade details. I’ll say we trade the whole draft class worth of picks to move up for Bouknight (lazy, I know but this is a quick version for now - you can insert any SG in the draft you like here, trade or no trade).

So SG rotation for now is Bouknight & IQ. Guard rotation is now:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley

We get Covington in the deal as a throw in for the rebuilding Blazers at this point but one team’s trash is another team’s treasure as he’s a solid wing starter and provide good defense for Thibs system. I’m also in the mindset that Bullocks comes back for the 3rd year, so we can have his full bird rights next season and give him a decent bag.

Julius obviously the 4. And imma be honest, at this point, I think Carmelo’s return is imminent.

So boom, we look like this now:

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose - Luca Vildoza
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley
Robert Covington - Reggie Bullock
Julius Randle - Carmelo Anthony

We have non-guaranteed deals in Luca and Norvelle. Maybe we could look to grab a big that way. For now, I’ll get my hopes up and say those 2 for Kelly Olnyk , solely because the last 3 letters of his name is NYK. You know Taj coming back 1 more time. Maybe look for a Dwight , Drummond, or another cheap option.
That’s a mean team right there. Full of dudes built for NY. Lowkey would love to get Melo one more run. Way he left wasn’t right and this situation would be good for him this time.

Damian Lillard - Derrick Rose
James Bouknight - Immanuel Quickley
Robert Covington - Reggie Bullocks
Julius Randle - Carmelo Anthony
Kelly Olnyk - Taj Gibson (vet signing or maybe a young undrafted kid stands out)

Thoughts on the lineup? I feel like it’s a great balance of youth, vets, offense and defense (due to Thibs).

I’d look to get SGA after this deal. IQ and future 1st round pick. OKC not resigning him. May be a deadline deal


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