2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[RapsFanInOhio]

I think the off-season kinda falls in this order:
1. Masai situation. We will know something about this before the draft certainly.
2. Who’s available at 4. I don’t see anything happening until then but I don’t think we move the pick - I’m fairly certain we’re going to draft someone here.
3. Who’s available at 7. That GSW deal really just makes a ton of sense to me. Wiggins being Canadian and his contract, the Pascal fit on GSW, the fact we’d be moving him to the West, we can save them tax dollars with Baynes nonguaranteed deal - it’s all pointing in that direction. I think if we really like someone at 7 (and Mobley doesn’t fall) we would pull the trigger on this deal. Side note: I don’t think we move Pascal in any deal not involving this draft. Like, we’re not moving him for future picks nor do I think we’re moving him for another star. I think the only realistic avenue is if there’s someone at 7 they really like. If Barnes or Kuminga fall, I almost think it’s a no doubter.
4. The Kawhi situation. We can’t get in on these sweepstakes without some S&T magic and I don’t see it happening at all but there’s a chance. More realistically, we just need the Kawhi domino to fall because Lowry is going to happen right after.
5. The Lowry decision - we probably won’t have a great idea about this until the Kawhi thing happens, but he is probably gone in most scenarios. It’s just a matter of what (if any) return there will be.

[OAKLEY_2]

1. Masai situation. It is like waiting for #4.
2. Who’s available at 4. We’re going to draft someone here. = 100 per cent. Mobley-Green-Suggs.
3. Wiggins... being Canadian... I see us more likely to take Gary Harris, Bamba and @5 Kuminga for Paskal-Malachi. Is that not where Paskal just bought a house?
4. TrentJr signed.
5. The Kawhi situation. Nothing to see here.
6. The Lowry decision. Like waiting for the #4 pick again. = Autopilot he gone. We will not make a S+T with either Morey or Riley.

[Econ101]

SGA for #4.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31732517/nba-draft-2021-six-big-trades-want-see-including-bradley-beal-ben-simmons

Perhaps he doesn't fit their timeline (which seems to be 3-4 years from now). Or maybe they value Suggs/Green. Honestly not sure why they would do it but we should take it and run.

[alpngso]

SGA for #4.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31732517/nba-draft-2021-six-big-trades-want-see-including-bradley-beal-ben-simmons

Perhaps he doesn't fit their timeline (which seems to be 3-4 years from now). Or maybe they value Suggs/Green. Honestly not sure why they would do it but we should take it and run.

I know Pelton's usually good but that right there was pretty bad. Unless SGA is asking out I just don't see how you trade all-star, near all-nba level guard for #4 pick unless you think Suggs, Mobley, Green are on the same level as Cunningham. I know a lot people said they are dropping the ESPN+ sub after that horrible take. lol

[WaltFrazier]

Raptors get: Damian Lillard and Robert Covington
Blazers get: Pascal Siakam, Fred VanVleet, No. 4 overall pick and 2023 first-round pick

taken from probably a lame website, their other idea was the GSW trade but we throw in the #4 as well:

https://sportsnaut.com/ideal-pascal-siakam-trade-scenarios-toronto-raptors/

Even still, might that get us Dame?

[Spida888]

Raptors get: Damian Lillard and Robert Covington
Blazers get: Pascal Siakam, Fred VanVleet, No. 4 overall pick and 2023 first-round pick

taken from probably a lame website, their other idea was the GSW trade but we throw in the #4 as well:

https://sportsnaut.com/ideal-pascal-siakam-trade-scenarios-toronto-raptors/

Even still, might that get us Dame?

It's not worth it to chase after Dame especially if we have to give up that much - we would probably be back in the lottery lol.

I could see New York giving up the kitchen sink for Dame though.

The GSW trade in the article where we give up the #4 pick is so bad lol. Why would we give up the best player AND the best pick in the package?

[Kingsway_fan]

Only fools think we are giving up the #4.... period.

[provecy15]

Dream Scenario: We exercise Rodney Hood 10 million option to make the following trade work.

TOR: S/T Kyle Lowry (resign 2 year/25 mil)
BOS Trades: Marcus Smart, Tristan Thompson and Aaron Nesmith (Brad Stevens raves about Lowry).

TOR Trades: Pascal Siakam
GSW Trades: James Wiseman, Andrew Wiggins, #7 overall pick

TOR Trades: James Wiseman, Malachi Flynn, Rodney Hood and the 7th pick (money works) plus 2023 top 3 protected FRP
Minnesota Trades: Karl Anthony Towns

Toronto Drafts #4: Jalen Suggs
Toronto Drafts #46: Aj Lawson (bring him home to Canada, plus his stock is rising at the combine)
Toronto Drafts #47 Luka Garza

Karl Anthony Towns/Tristan Thompson/Luka Garza
OG Anunoby/ Chris Boucher/Yuta Watanabe
Andrew Wiggins/Aaron Nesmith/Paul Watson
Gary Trent Jr/Marcus Smart/Aj Lawson
Fred Vanfleet/Jalen Suggs

-Our team rebounding greatly improves
- We still add a high end talent in Suggs
- We have a bonfide superstar in Towns under control
- We add toughness in Thompson and Smart
a defensive lineup of FVV, Smart, OG, Boucher and Towns? Good luck scoring.

It was all a dream.

[Ell Curry]

If Nurse falls in love with Wiggins with Team Canada, I could see the Golden State talks turning into something like:

Toronto: Wiggins, #14 + Lottery protected 1st
GSW: Lowry (S+T) + Boucher + #46

We roll out:

Birch-#14
Siakam-Wiggins
OG-Wiggins
Suggs-Trent
VanVleet-Flynn

which looks pretty damn solid for next year and then Wiggins will be an expiring next year we can hopefully package with a ton of picks, including the extra Golden State one, for a quality frontcourt player.

Golden State gets a Lowry-Curry-Klay-Green-Boucher lineup that looks pretty damn explosive and probably trades Wiseman for a cheap 6th man like Dort or maybe to Memphis for say Grayson Allen and Clarke to save some money and build the bench, or keeps him and hopes he can be a JaVale McGee type by the playoffs. #7 is used on a wing like Franz Wagner to fill the wing minutes they'll need to so Klay can be the backup 2 guard.

[Ell Curry]

Only fools think we are giving up the #4.... period.

I think we'd give it up for SGA. He's been so good and improving so fast and even had some success at the 3 when OKC went small with CP3 and Schroeder so we could play VanVleet-Trent-SGA-OG-Siakam when we want to go smaller. And obviously a 22 year old Canadian playing at an all-star level (assuming he continues to be better) who wants to stay is something we'd value a lot.

And it's not crazy to think OKC is thinking of their rebuild as so long that they want the extra 3 years of control, since SGA will be maxed soon enough, while Suggs gives them another few years before that happens and so more cap space to take on.

Other than that, I don't really see a deal we would make, since I don't think Minnesota is giving up Towns or Washington giving up Beal.

[MessiahUjiri]

Saw this on the trade board:

Raptors: 19, Looney
Knicks: 14, 46
Warriors: Boucher, 21

If there’s a gem available at 19, something like that would really work.

Sign Kelly Olynyk with the capspace and resign Birch.

PG: Fred VV / Flynn
SG: Trent / Suggs /
SF: Anunoby / (Trent) / Bembry
PF: Siakam / (Olynyk)
C: Olynyk / Birch / Looney

Add 19 + 47 to the above.

Strong backcourt.
Versatile front court.
Excellent at the wing and forward spots.

[Pointgod]

SGA for #4.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31732517/nba-draft-2021-six-big-trades-want-see-including-bradley-beal-ben-simmons

Perhaps he doesn't fit their timeline (which seems to be 3-4 years from now). Or maybe they value Suggs/Green. Honestly not sure why they would do it but we should take it and run.

I proposed this trade when we got the #4 pick. I absolutely do it 10 times out of 10. We need our own version of Devin Booker and Shai is realistically the closest we can get without having to give up our current big 3. The rest of those trades are laughably bad. Like it makes no sense for any team involved.

[YogurtProducer]

My completely unrealistic but I wish it would come true dream off-season

Raptors:Wiseman, Wiggins, 7, 14
Warriors: Siakam, Boucher

Raptors:Ben Simmons
Sixers: Kyle Lowry S+T

FVV/Flynn
Trent/Suggs
Wiggins/Yuta/Watson
OG
Simmons/Wiseman/Birch

And then fill out with 7, 14, 46, 47

[Pointgod]

Saw this on the trade board:

Raptors: 19, Looney
Knicks: 14, 46
Warriors: Boucher, 21

If there’s a gem available at 19, something like that would really work.

Sign Kelly Olynyk with the capspace and resign Birch.

PG: Fred VV / Flynn
SG: Trent / Suggs /
SF: Anunoby / (Trent) / Bembry
PF: Siakam / (Olynyk)
C: Olynyk / Birch / Looney

Add 19 + 47 to the above.

Strong backcourt.
Versatile front court.
Excellent at the wing and forward spots.

Why even bring the Knicks into this deal? Knicks move up into late lottery without giving anything of value? We could just do Looney and 14 for Boucher and filler. They keep Wiseman and #7 but also get Boucher who fits perfectly into their team and gives them some Wiseman insurance.

[Rapsfan07]

SGA for #4.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31732517/nba-draft-2021-six-big-trades-want-see-including-bradley-beal-ben-simmons

Perhaps he doesn't fit their timeline (which seems to be 3-4 years from now). Or maybe they value Suggs/Green. Honestly not sure why they would do it but we should take it and run.

I proposed this trade when we got the #4 pick. I absolutely do it 10 times out of 10. We need our own version of Devin Booker and Shai is realistically the closest we can get without having to give up our current big 3. The rest of those trades are laughably bad. Like it makes no sense for any team involved.

The issue is - why would OKC give up one of the best young players in the league for a pick that MIGHT become one of the best young players in the league? It's not as if SGA can choose to leave them anytime soon or he's requested a trade. So other than to help us out at their own demise, there's no real reason for them to entertain a deal like this.

[MalagaBulls]

Back again, how many 1sts plus PWill would it take to pry FVV from you guys?

[Rapsfan07]

The only player that I might look to trade #4 for is Zach Lavine. That's a huge risk though as he's a free agent this year and there'd need to be a deal in place where he guarantees to resign with us. Otherwise, no deal. But the Bulls could lose him next year to free agency and perhaps there's a small chance they'd take a top 5 pick now while they can still get it.

He would give us a primary focal point for our offense and a fun, electric scorer to watch. You can then either keep FVV, OG, Siakam around him and take another swing for the fences and do an S&T Lowry for Porzingis. I've also thought about a FVV and salary to NOLA for a re-signed Ball, Bledsoe and picks package.

Ball/Lavine/Anunoby/Siakam/Porzingis

Still have Trent Jr, picks from Bledsoe deal, expiring Boucher and 2 2021 2nds to plug remaining holes.

[Spida888]

The only player that I might look to trade #4 for is Zach Lavine. That's a huge risk though as he's a free agent this year and there'd need to be a deal in place where he guarantees to resign with us. Otherwise, no deal. But the Bulls could lose him next year to free agency and perhaps there's a small chance they'd take a top 5 pick now while they can still get it.

He would give us a primary focal point for our offense and a fun, electric scorer to watch. You can then either keep FVV, OG, Siakam around him and take another swing for the fences and do an S&T Lowry for Porzingis. I've also thought about a FVV and salary to NOLA for a re-signed Ball, Bledsoe and picks package.

Ball/Lavine/Anunoby/Siakam/Porzingis

Still have Trent Jr, picks from Bledsoe deal, expiring Boucher and 2 2021 2nds to plug remaining holes.

Lavine has been tantalizing to watch at times, but I wouldn't do it.

Like you said, there's a risk that he leaves because he's UFA, and even if he doesn't, I heard he will demand the max which will be close to 200M, yikes. He may not get that, but I don't want to pay him close to that either.

[Pointgod]

SGA for #4.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31732517/nba-draft-2021-six-big-trades-want-see-including-bradley-beal-ben-simmons

Perhaps he doesn't fit their timeline (which seems to be 3-4 years from now). Or maybe they value Suggs/Green. Honestly not sure why they would do it but we should take it and run.

I proposed this trade when we got the #4 pick. I absolutely do it 10 times out of 10. We need our own version of Devin Booker and Shai is realistically the closest we can get without having to give up our current big 3. The rest of those trades are laughably bad. Like it makes no sense for any team involved.

The issue is - why would OKC give up one of the best young players in the league for a pick that MIGHT become one of the best young players in the league? It's not as if SGA can choose to leave them anytime soon or he's requested a trade. So other than to help us out at their own demise, there's no real reason for them to entertain a deal like this.

Well Presti has absolutely boxed himself in with his all in strategy on tanking. His whole argument is that tanking is the only way to get a franchise changing player. He had one in Chris Paul but that’s another story. Does anyone believe SGA is a superstar? He absolutely got screwed when they fell to number 6 in the draft. Getting number 4 gets him closer to drafting a superstar and he can package it with #6 and other picks to move up if he so chooses.

Again Presti is desperate right now. How much longer can they continue to pull blatant tank jobs to get a #1 pick? How long till he goes the way of Heinke?

[alpngso]

Back again, how many 1sts plus PWill would it take to pry FVV from you guys?

Not high on PWill?