2021 Draft Thread

[FNQ]

Read on hoopshype that the Warriors have worked out Kevin Obanor. Don’t know a lot about him or where he might be drafted.

Watch on YouTube

maybe UDFA/late 2nd level? Ive never even heard of the guy

[killmongrel]

So what combos are acceptable to you at the moment?

Moody/Giddey
Bouknight/Wagner
Barnes/Krispert
Kuminga/Duarte

Just using these as examples.

[whatisacenter]

Read on hoopshype that the Warriors have worked out Kevin Obanor. Don’t know a lot about him or where he might be drafted.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

maybe UDFA/late 2nd level? Ive never even heard of the guy

yeah, that was my thought as well.

The guy scored over 18 a game on .496 2p FG, .448 3p FG(on over 4 attempts), .887 FT and over 9 boards a game. Definitely worth a late 2nd rounder to me if they trade back or buy a second rounder.

[Onus]

Lot of love for Trey but drafting him in the lotto smacks of Cameron Johnson.. a medium floor player with a questionable ceiling. Two things really stand out for me:

- shot form. He shoots like a quick, right handed Sam Perkins. This is key because most NBA players are right handed, meaning defenders will try and contest with their right hand. And since he's not centered, they can attack with more rigor because the likelihood of bumping bodies is severely reduced. He didn't really have to deal with that much at UV because he was effectively their PF, and their zonecracker. Meaning he didnt really deal with premier defenders / good length, and he will at NBA level

- finishing. He's credited a lot with being a good finisher, but I go right back to my point about who he had on him. To put it in context, if the Warriors were playing against Trey Murphy the SF, Steph is probably guarding him. And thats what seemed to happen a lot in the games I saw, where he was matched up against small guards who often would overplay, and then he'd finish at the rim against them. Which don't get me wrong, is great. Beating up mismatches is good. But I feel like when someone says that a player is a good finisher, they are projecting them as one in the NBA, and I dont know that that's the case with him. I very much worry about his potential impact as a NBA player beyond the shooting.

So long story short, I'm a little afraid of his offensive capabilities in the NBA. I think defensively he should be fine, with potential to be much better if he can be more aggressive in passing lanes and help defense. I'm not against drafting him at 14 at all, but there's a lot more potential volatility there than I'd like from this type of player

The point of Murphy is that he’s 6’9” with a 7’ ws, so hopefully he’s able to play the stretch 4 role. A stretch 4 who is an elite shooter will open up the offense tremendously. Closing we run pick and roll with draymond and Curry, having Klay and another elite shooter it’s going to be impossible for teams to rotate towards an open lane for draymond who will have very easy reads because no one is going to leave Klay and Murphy which means Wiggins gets open shots or free cuts to the rim, or Murphy will get th free cut to the rim. We’re drafting him knowing that teams will be doubling Curry regardless of who’s on the team and having 2 snipers in Klay and Murphy will make teams pay for doubling Curry. His cutting and finishing are just cherries for his offense.

I think he has some untapped potential. His handles are good but he isn’t strong enough yet to go through arms, but he’s long enough to finish over the top of mismatches. He needs to become more physical offensively and defensively but as he plays in the nba he should be able to do that.

[GSWFan1994]

"Obanor" seems like the name of a Middle-Earth character to me.

[Scoots1994]

I love that everyone is ignoring Dosunmu

He's okay, but to me he's in the next group down.

[Scoots1994]

So what combos are acceptable to you at the moment?

Moody/Giddey
Bouknight/Wagner
Barnes/Krispert
Kuminga/Duarte

Just using these as examples.

I don't like Bouknight, Kispert, or Duarte so 3 of those are a no thanks to me

[FNQ]

Lot of love for Trey but drafting him in the lotto smacks of Cameron Johnson.. a medium floor player with a questionable ceiling. Two things really stand out for me:

- shot form. He shoots like a quick, right handed Sam Perkins. This is key because most NBA players are right handed, meaning defenders will try and contest with their right hand. And since he's not centered, they can attack with more rigor because the likelihood of bumping bodies is severely reduced. He didn't really have to deal with that much at UV because he was effectively their PF, and their zonecracker. Meaning he didnt really deal with premier defenders / good length, and he will at NBA level

- finishing. He's credited a lot with being a good finisher, but I go right back to my point about who he had on him. To put it in context, if the Warriors were playing against Trey Murphy the SF, Steph is probably guarding him. And thats what seemed to happen a lot in the games I saw, where he was matched up against small guards who often would overplay, and then he'd finish at the rim against them. Which don't get me wrong, is great. Beating up mismatches is good. But I feel like when someone says that a player is a good finisher, they are projecting them as one in the NBA, and I dont know that that's the case with him. I very much worry about his potential impact as a NBA player beyond the shooting.

So long story short, I'm a little afraid of his offensive capabilities in the NBA. I think defensively he should be fine, with potential to be much better if he can be more aggressive in passing lanes and help defense. I'm not against drafting him at 14 at all, but there's a lot more potential volatility there than I'd like from this type of player

The point of Murphy is that he’s 6’9” with a 7’ ws, so hopefully he’s able to play the stretch 4 role. A stretch 4 who is an elite shooter will open up the offense tremendously. Closing we run pick and roll with draymond and Curry, having Klay and another elite shooter it’s going to be impossible for teams to rotate towards an open lane for draymond who will have very easy reads because no one is going to leave Klay and Murphy which means Wiggins gets open shots or free cuts to the rim, or Murphy will get th free cut to the rim. We’re drafting him knowing that teams will be doubling Curry regardless of who’s on the team and having 2 snipers in Klay and Murphy will make teams pay for doubling Curry. His cutting and finishing are just cherries for his offense.

I think he has some untapped potential. His handles are good but he isn’t strong enough yet to go through arms, but he’s long enough to finish over the top of mismatches. He needs to become more physical offensively and defensively but as he plays in the nba he should be able to do that.

Gonna be a poor rebounding team if he's our 4, but I can at least see where youre going with it. He's gonna have to bring it from 3 and on defense to make up for the boards part

But I've watched a lot of tape of him finishing well.. its against zones that overplayed and much smaller players. Didn't see much, if any, of him going against anyone near his size. I think he's appropriately marked for the end of the 1st round, and you hope he becomes a Kyle Kuzma

[Onus]

Lot of love for Trey but drafting him in the lotto smacks of Cameron Johnson.. a medium floor player with a questionable ceiling. Two things really stand out for me:

- shot form. He shoots like a quick, right handed Sam Perkins. This is key because most NBA players are right handed, meaning defenders will try and contest with their right hand. And since he's not centered, they can attack with more rigor because the likelihood of bumping bodies is severely reduced. He didn't really have to deal with that much at UV because he was effectively their PF, and their zonecracker. Meaning he didnt really deal with premier defenders / good length, and he will at NBA level

- finishing. He's credited a lot with being a good finisher, but I go right back to my point about who he had on him. To put it in context, if the Warriors were playing against Trey Murphy the SF, Steph is probably guarding him. And thats what seemed to happen a lot in the games I saw, where he was matched up against small guards who often would overplay, and then he'd finish at the rim against them. Which don't get me wrong, is great. Beating up mismatches is good. But I feel like when someone says that a player is a good finisher, they are projecting them as one in the NBA, and I dont know that that's the case with him. I very much worry about his potential impact as a NBA player beyond the shooting.

So long story short, I'm a little afraid of his offensive capabilities in the NBA. I think defensively he should be fine, with potential to be much better if he can be more aggressive in passing lanes and help defense. I'm not against drafting him at 14 at all, but there's a lot more potential volatility there than I'd like from this type of player

The point of Murphy is that he’s 6’9” with a 7’ ws, so hopefully he’s able to play the stretch 4 role. A stretch 4 who is an elite shooter will open up the offense tremendously. Closing we run pick and roll with draymond and Curry, having Klay and another elite shooter it’s going to be impossible for teams to rotate towards an open lane for draymond who will have very easy reads because no one is going to leave Klay and Murphy which means Wiggins gets open shots or free cuts to the rim, or Murphy will get th free cut to the rim. We’re drafting him knowing that teams will be doubling Curry regardless of who’s on the team and having 2 snipers in Klay and Murphy will make teams pay for doubling Curry. His cutting and finishing are just cherries for his offense.

I think he has some untapped potential. His handles are good but he isn’t strong enough yet to go through arms, but he’s long enough to finish over the top of mismatches. He needs to become more physical offensively and defensively but as he plays in the nba he should be able to do that.

Gonna be a poor rebounding team if he's our 4, but I can at least see where youre going with it. He's gonna have to bring it from 3 and on defense to make up for the boards part

But I've watched a lot of tape of him finishing well.. its against zones that overplayed and much smaller players. Didn't see much, if any, of him going against anyone near his size. I think he's appropriately marked for the end of the 1st round, and you hope he becomes a Kyle Kuzma

I think he’s going to be an elite shooter 40%+ especially off all the attention Steph takes and Klay will get. I think his defense is adequate he has the length and feet to be a factor and hold his own, while being able to rotate and cover ground.

He’s a 90% ft shooter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/advanceprobasketball.com/2021/01/14/trey-murphy/

[FNQ]

The point of Murphy is that he’s 6’9” with a 7’ ws, so hopefully he’s able to play the stretch 4 role. A stretch 4 who is an elite shooter will open up the offense tremendously. Closing we run pick and roll with draymond and Curry, having Klay and another elite shooter it’s going to be impossible for teams to rotate towards an open lane for draymond who will have very easy reads because no one is going to leave Klay and Murphy which means Wiggins gets open shots or free cuts to the rim, or Murphy will get th free cut to the rim. We’re drafting him knowing that teams will be doubling Curry regardless of who’s on the team and having 2 snipers in Klay and Murphy will make teams pay for doubling Curry. His cutting and finishing are just cherries for his offense.

I think he has some untapped potential. His handles are good but he isn’t strong enough yet to go through arms, but he’s long enough to finish over the top of mismatches. He needs to become more physical offensively and defensively but as he plays in the nba he should be able to do that.

Gonna be a poor rebounding team if he's our 4, but I can at least see where youre going with it. He's gonna have to bring it from 3 and on defense to make up for the boards part

But I've watched a lot of tape of him finishing well.. its against zones that overplayed and much smaller players. Didn't see much, if any, of him going against anyone near his size. I think he's appropriately marked for the end of the 1st round, and you hope he becomes a Kyle Kuzma

I think he’s going to be an elite shooter 40%+ especially off all the attention Steph takes and Klay will get. I think his defense is adequate he has the length and feet to be a factor and hold his own, while being able to rotate and cover ground.

He’s a 90% ft shooter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/advanceprobasketball.com/2021/01/14/trey-murphy/

I think he IS, not will be, an elite squared up shooter. The problem with that is our offense requires a ton of motion, usually to get Curry open. He won't get the corner looks he got in UVAs motion offense where he can face the rim and square up all the time - we just dont have that many drive and kick guys.

If I were testing him in a gym right now, I'd be running him off screens and seeing if he can square up super fast after running the baseline. If he can, I'm all-in. But that Perkins-like shot and current need to be squared up definitely worry me, because teams can gameplan for that. They can even throw a bad defender on someone like that and have them be effective (why I invoked Curry earlier)

[Onus]

Gonna be a poor rebounding team if he's our 4, but I can at least see where youre going with it. He's gonna have to bring it from 3 and on defense to make up for the boards part

But I've watched a lot of tape of him finishing well.. its against zones that overplayed and much smaller players. Didn't see much, if any, of him going against anyone near his size. I think he's appropriately marked for the end of the 1st round, and you hope he becomes a Kyle Kuzma

I think he’s going to be an elite shooter 40%+ especially off all the attention Steph takes and Klay will get. I think his defense is adequate he has the length and feet to be a factor and hold his own, while being able to rotate and cover ground.

He’s a 90% ft shooter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/advanceprobasketball.com/2021/01/14/trey-murphy/

I think he IS, not will be, an elite squared up shooter. The problem with that is our offense requires a ton of motion, usually to get Curry open. He won't get the corner looks he got in UVAs motion offense where he can face the rim and square up all the time - we just dont have that many drive and kick guys.

If I were testing him in a gym right now, I'd be running him off screens and seeing if he can square up super fast after running the baseline. If he can, I'm all-in. But that Perkins-like shot and current need to be squared up definitely worry me, because teams can gameplan for that. They can even throw a bad defender on someone like that and have them be effective (why I invoked Curry earlier)

For like 42 minutes we do a motion offense but when we close it’s pick and roll with Curry and dray. Murphy will thrive in that.

But outside of that I do think he has some upside as a dho shooter and a pop shooter. Hes really good moving backwards and shooting. He’s got a high release and is tall so it’ll be hard to close out on him. I do think he needs to be more aggressive with his hunting of shots to be more than just a corner shooter. I don’t think he would be a guard in our system flying around screens like Curry and Klay. I expect him more to be the one setting the pick and then popping out for 3s.

I also think that we’ll be running more pick and rolls next year so that we can incorporate wiseman more effectively, just to simplify the game for him. I’ll also say that we can really use the spacing that a stretch big can bring. None of our bigs can shoot whether they’re a 4 or 5 and it really shrinks the court. Having one of our bigs being able to shoot should help open the court even more.

[mos_def]

Kuminga has been dropping in my eyes

[clyde21]

the more I think about it, the more I might like Barnes>Moody for us at 7 based only on the idea that finding an eventual replacement for a Draymond type if going to muchhh harder than getting a player like Moody, even tho Moody is ranked 6 while Barnes is ranked 11 for me...if we have essentially a new Dray staring us in the face, I don't know if we can say no to that.

[clyde21]

So what combos are acceptable to you at the moment?

Moody/Giddey
Bouknight/Wagner
Barnes/Krispert
Kuminga/Duarte

Just using these as examples.

at 7:

Barnes
Moody
Franz

in order

at 14 depending on who we get at 7

JJ
Keon
Springer
Butler

*a Wiseman trade might change things.

[Brick Layer]

the more I think about it, the more I might like Barnes>Moody for us at 7 based only on the idea that finding an eventual replacement for a Draymond type if going to muchhh harder than getting a player like Moody, even tho Moody is ranked 6 while Barnes is ranked 11 for me...if we have essentially a new Dray staring us in the face, I don't know if we can say no to that.

Barnes is now expected to be off the board by the 5th pick ahead of Kuminga.

[killmongrel]

So what combos are acceptable to you at the moment?

Moody/Giddey
Bouknight/Wagner
Barnes/Krispert
Kuminga/Duarte

Just using these as examples.

at 7:

Barnes
Moody
Franz

in order

at 14 depending on who we get at 7

JJ
Keon
Springer
Butler

*a Wiseman trade might change things.

So you're a big believer in Franz. What is it about him that you like? Curious. Also, you're not buying into the Bouknight hype?

[FNQ]

Just finished watching Corey Kispert's youtube vid by Spinella. Spinella does very balanced work. Its a 10 minute video, and the first non-3pt highlight for Kispert came almost 5 minutes into the vid.. kinda crazy

[clyde21]

the more I think about it, the more I might like Barnes>Moody for us at 7 based only on the idea that finding an eventual replacement for a Draymond type if going to muchhh harder than getting a player like Moody, even tho Moody is ranked 6 while Barnes is ranked 11 for me...if we have essentially a new Dray staring us in the face, I don't know if we can say no to that.

Barnes is now expected to be off the board by the 5th pick ahead of Kuminga.

obviously if he's still available

[clyde21]

So what combos are acceptable to you at the moment?

Moody/Giddey
Bouknight/Wagner
Barnes/Krispert
Kuminga/Duarte

Just using these as examples.

at 7:

Barnes
Moody
Franz

in order

at 14 depending on who we get at 7

JJ
Keon
Springer
Butler

*a Wiseman trade might change things.

So you're a big believer in Franz. What is it about him that you like? Curious. Also, you're not buying into the Bouknight hype?

re: Bouknight...i buy the scoring, he's a pretty dynamic scorer off the dribble, live dribble game is stupid good and should be able to get his shot any time he wants in the NBA without much issue, even tho he only shot 29% from 3 this yr I think he's a better range shooter than that number indicates for sure...my biggest prob is that that's all really offers...ancillary skills are almost nonexistent, and terrible assist rate for a guard makes him almost exclusively a 2 guard in the NBA at this point, and unless you are ridiculously explosive/efficient scorer, these guys are almost always relegated to being bench scorers (my comp for him is Clarkson) long term in the NBA.

as for Franz, yea, big Franz guy, especially for our offense, not sure what's not to like about a legit 6-9 combo forward who can play both sides of the court, shoot 3s, hits his FTs at a 84% clip, pass outside-in and inside-out, who isn't a net liability defensively and who happens to be a freshman aged sophomore. checks off all the boxes as both a functional modern day wing and a guy that would thrive in our scheme off ball.

[FNQ]

7th pick only has 2 options for me, because no way both are gone:

1) Barnes
2) Moody

I take Barnes over Moody because you can probably find lesser Moody types at 14, but I'm not as sure about Barnes. May be a moot point.

14th pick if we draft Barnes:

1) Moody - maybe his perceived lack of upside lands him here, what a gift

2) Corey Kispert - yes, he's kinda one-note. But what a note. And if you watch him in Zaga, they played a little bit like Steph and the W's do - a lot of transition 3s, and Kispert knew how to get himself open without the ball. If Barnes becomes interchangable with Dray, then Kispert does so with Klay - at least offensively.

3) Daivon Mitchell - would have to drop, but feel comfortable taking him here. This would push Poole to a scoring guard role and entirely remove him as a PG. Defense improves. Worried about the shot. Here by default, I would be disappointed if we didnt come away with a great shooting wing in this draft. Unsure if his shooting was an outlier or not.

14th pick if we draft Moody:

1) Usman Garuba - surprise, everytime I watch him, I like him more. If we already have Moody, thats our shooter. This guy plays defense so much like Draymond, its crazy. He can defend anyone, plays smart, and plays hard. Really good passer too, but terrible handles. Shot is ugly too, dont think that's ever gonna come around. Still, if we have 3 elite shooters or even 2 + Wiggins, I think he's playable with Draymond, though I'd probably always try and have one of the 2 on the court

2) Jalen Johnson - I'll take the risk here. Attitude concerns seem more off-court than on. Still think his downside is James Johnson, making him a relatively safe pick with solid upside. But will trust the process re: his interviews/attitude. Hard to evaluate as a fan

3) Isaiah Jackson - maybe a reach. And maybe not the most logical pick with another raw big on the roster. But man, the defensive upside. He rebounds like Jamison did back in the day, for good and for bad. But most importantly for me, he has good hands, he's super long, and he dunks well off the PnR. Add that with great defensive potential, and I'd take the risk