2021 NBA Draft, Part 2

[Big J]

I wouldn’t go that far on Wiggins.

Cade has shown take over games late (which I’m content with not disappointed would just like to see it all game not sometimes. It’s the interior skillset that I’m not buying).

Wiggins was a below expectation in College. Cade has performed at a high level in basically every system he’s been in.

And yes I’m one of the biggest Green fans atm lol. But even he isn’t a sure thing. But if I was to pick a superstar from this class it’s him always.

It’s just that I don’t buy Cade as the consensus number one pick. I don’t see the upside in him (I have an inkling his body is well developed for someone his age, and it’s not like Luka’s where he was man sized without the added pounds in the later years.)

Finesse over bully for Cade when his finesse outside of shooting (class aspect that I buy with leadership tangibles that’s basically it) is no where near generational type special stuff.

Mobley and Green are comparable to me.

I was referring to Cade’s personality, not his game. He’s kind of a dud like Wiggins in that regard.

[Big J]

Can someone tell me what on a basketball court Kuminga does better than Barnes besides running and jumping??

Essentially zilch. They're both poor shot makers from the perimeter but people generally value Kuminga over Barnes because he at least attempted a wider variety of shots. So it depends how much stock you would put into that

NOTHING! Some GM is going to buy into his tantalizingly potential and end up with the next Earl Clark.

[EricAnderson]

I don’t get the Wiggins comparison. Wiggins never had any great skill or feel for the game he got by in HS on raw athleticism and it showed. His only move was that spin move.

Cade is a highly skilled player who’s a brilliant passer and has an amazing feel for the game.

I think his ceiling is a Tatum with better court vision/passing

[EricAnderson]

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I’d rather see Green at the Pistons and not Cade they have 4 wings.


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If you’d rather Green then Cade fine but there is no way you make the pick based on need or your current roster

When you’re as bad as the Pistons and pick first you always take BPA.

Nobody on the current team is good enough to not draft a certain player because they play the same position.

When the Pistons are good again the roster will more then likely look completely different and the majority of current players will no longer be there.

[Charm]

I don't really see the "court vision" aspect for Cade. Like in that video vs Baylor someone posted, 100% of his assists are easy reads to teammates who're right in front of him. And that's probably his most impressive passing game of the entire season, going by the numbers. He's a willing passer, which not all wings are, but I don't see him regularly finding angles that a typical competent wing wouldn't recognize. I'd often watch a game where he gets several dozen touches and makes zero "wow" passes.

[fteru6uhre54ew]

Garuba in his debut with Spain Senior NT versus Iran (meh). 9-9-2-4 steals in 14 minutes and like 5 missed dunks lmao could had 15-16 points perfectly. The out of activity and be the debut with the Senior Team and fighting for a place probably would make that. But he looked physical dominant in the court doing a little bit of everything.

[Sactowndog]

Which draft picks are playing in qualifiers this weekend?

[mademan]

I dont see the huge upside for Cade. With that said, he's the best bet in this draft to be at least an all-star, imo. There are a couple guys who i think end up being better/higher impact players, but theyre more of a risk to miss that ceiling than Cade is to completely flop.

[NYCbeadyrae]

Unpopular opinion Bouknight is a more naturally talented scoring option than Cade. If Bouknight is there after the top 6 you have to take him. His game is tailor made for the pros.

[NYCbeadyrae]

Oh yeah lots of trouble "adjusting to the higher level of competition" playing the best team in the nation with a supporting cast of all scrubs.

Out of all the top prospects this year, Cade obviously had the most difficult time adjusting to a higher level of competition. The game's even faster and more athletic at the NBA level...so...seems very reasonable to expect his struggles to continue. He'll trend even more in the direction of being a 3-point specialist, so his best hope for stardom is probably a Klay Thompson kind of outcome.

Watch on YouTube

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Cade basically lived and died by his jumpshot because he didn’t have the quickness, physicality, or handle to get to the rim against a good defense.

And by the way, his team of “scrubs” consistently played well with Cade on the bench, so riddle me that.

Here’s a player who has the burst, the handle, the physicality, the toughness and the shot. 65% at the rim. 6’9 standing reach so not that far off.

Watch on YouTube

[NYPiston]

How can anybody take the opinions seriously of posters who say that Cade has a personality just like Wiggins and that he's much smaller than Tatum (he might be a little shorter)? I've never seen such ridiculous hot takes in general that I do on Real GM. It's remarkable.

[Charm]

Oh yeah lots of trouble "adjusting to the higher level of competition" playing the best team in the nation with a supporting cast of all scrubs.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Swish

Cade basically lived and died by his jumpshot because he didn’t have the quickness, physicality, or handle to get to the rim against a good defense.

And by the way, his team of “scrubs” consistently played well with Cade on the bench, so riddle me that.

Here’s a player who has the burst, the handle, the physicality, the toughness and the shot. 65% at the rim. 6’9 standing reach so not that far off.

Watch on YouTube

The tape is impressive, but it's disconcerting to me that in two college seasons there was just a single game where the stars aligned and he put it all together offensively. Drafting an older scoring specialist in the lottery, you like to see more consistency.

[DCasey91]

Well.. smaller Tatum or Bigger less polished Hayward is my comp for Cade.

How is Cade out of all prospects being criticized? lol. He’s one of the safest in the class. Sure might not be number one on a redraft but this draft isn’t spectacular by any means.

Also Bouknight won’t go very far at all. Picks 6-10 is very very live for him.

[NYPiston]

Well.. smaller Tatum or Bigger less polished Hayward is my comp for Cade.

How is Cade out of all prospects being criticized? lol. He’s one of the safest in the class. Sure might not be number one on a redraft but this draft isn’t spectacular by any means.

Also Bouknight won’t go very far at all. Picks 6-10 is very very live for him.

If Cade is smaller than Tatum, it's by a small margin. Generally speaking, they're pretty much the same size, height and weight. The difference is negligible.

All I see is criticism of Cade in this thread. It's odd but that's how it goes with consensus #1 picks sometimes.
Also, this draft is really really good. Not only is the top 4 one of the better top 4's in recent memory but this draft has really good talent deep into the 1st into the 2nd round. I think it's a good draft to have a lot of picks.

[yoyoboy]

I'm so bewildered that people talk about Cade as some "brilliant passer" with "amazing feel." Did we watch the same guy?

He averaged 6.2 turnovers per 100 possessions (7.0 in conference play) with a 0.86 ast/to ratio. You can chalk that up to "bad teammates" all you'd like but I'm really not buying that as an excuse because 1) tons of prospects play with bad teammates in college and 2) watching the film, you see how many come from inaccurate passes and poor decisions. Most of his assists come from pretty basic reads. I'm not saying Cade is a bad passer. He's a good passer for a wing but he absolutely should not be a primary ballhandler at the next level. Tiny Damion Mitchell really gave a glimpse at what it might look like if Cade is your offensive orchestrator in the NBA.

Scottie Barnes is a clearly better passer than Cade and even bigger than him, yet few people talk about him as being some kind of basketball genius like people do with Cade.

[buzzkilloton]

I'm so bewildered that people talk about Cade as some "brilliant passer" with "amazing feel." Did we watch the same guy?

He averaged 6.2 turnovers per 100 possessions (7.0 in conference play) with a 0.86 ast/to ratio. You can chalk that up to "bad teammates" all you'd like but I'm really not buying that as an excuse because 1) tons of prospects play with bad teammates in college and 2) watching the film, you see how many come from inaccurate passes and poor decisions. Most of his assists come from pretty basic reads. I'm not saying Cade is a bad passer. He's a good passer for a wing but he absolutely should not be a primary ballhandler at the next level. Tiny Damion Mitchell really gave a glimpse at what it might look like if Cade is your offensive orchestrator in the NBA.

Scottie Barnes is a clearly better passer than Cade and even bigger than him, yet few people talk about him as being some kind of basketball genius like people do with Cade.

Don't forget Cade was the number one prospect and known for his passing from AAU,highschool, and the Fiba already. If Cade played on a team like Gonzaga his ast/to ratio number would of course be better

I agree though he's best served playing with another primary ball-handler. Hopefully, Killian turns into that guy.

What you see here isnt what its going to look like for Cade at the next level.

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[Big J]

Well.. smaller Tatum or Bigger less polished Hayward is my comp for Cade.

How is Cade out of all prospects being criticized? lol. He’s one of the safest in the class. Sure might not be number one on a redraft but this draft isn’t spectacular by any means.

Also Bouknight won’t go very far at all. Picks 6-10 is very very live for him.

If Cade is smaller than Tatum, it's by a small margin. Generally speaking, they're pretty much the same size, height and weight. The difference is negligible.

All I see is criticism of Cade in this thread. It's odd but that's how it goes with consensus #1 picks sometimes.
Also, this draft is really really good. Not only is the top 4 one of the better top 4's in recent memory but this draft has really good talent deep into the 1st into the 2nd round. I think it's a good draft to have a lot of picks.

I think the criticism of Cade is mostly because with the eye test it's easy to see that Green is so obviously better. People get stuck on one guy at the top and are afraid to bump him down because they will get criticized for it.

[buzzkilloton]

I dont see the huge upside for Cade. With that said, he's the best bet in this draft to be at least an all-star, imo. There are a couple guys who i think end up being better/higher impact players, but theyre more of a risk to miss that ceiling than Cade is to completely flop.

This is a take that you can make on Cade that I can respect. He may not be your number one guy but you're at least realizing how high of a floor he has. A guy with a high basketball IQ, whos 6'8 7 foot wingspan, can make plays, and is one of the best shooters in the draft is obv going to be at least a useful player for years. I disagree on you with on his ceiling but people can disagree. I personally think hes a very worthy 1 pick not on the Zion/AD level of course but worthy none the less.

I'm surprised someone mentioned this draft as "weak". I think its clearly a very good draft. I would of been happy anywhere in the top 4 this season. Also it sounds like Barnes is rising on scouts boards amongst all the other talent in the draft I expect this to be a really good top 10.

[The Moose]

I'm so bewildered that people talk about Cade as some "brilliant passer" with "amazing feel." Did we watch the same guy?

He averaged 6.2 turnovers per 100 possessions (7.0 in conference play) with a 0.86 ast/to ratio. You can chalk that up to "bad teammates" all you'd like but I'm really not buying that as an excuse because 1) tons of prospects play with bad teammates in college and 2) watching the film, you see how many come from inaccurate passes and poor decisions. Most of his assists come from pretty basic reads. I'm not saying Cade is a bad passer. He's a good passer for a wing but he absolutely should not be a primary ballhandler at the next level. Tiny Damion Mitchell really gave a glimpse at what it might look like if Cade is your offensive orchestrator in the NBA.

Scottie Barnes is a clearly better passer than Cade and even bigger than him, yet few people talk about him as being some kind of basketball genius like people do with Cade.

24.5 ppg, 7.5 rebs , 4.5 asts , 50% fg 44% 3pt ?

1-1 W-L split against a significantly better team who was the best team in college ? Throw some better players out there around him he’d probably get an additional 1-2 assists on top of that.

Could be worse

His turnovers are bad for sure, a lot come from situations where he leaves his feet to pass or offensive fouls where he uses his off arm or shoulder. Some of his turnovers though were from the fact he was being regularly
doubled or triple teamed on a small court with bad spacing.
Even with his high turnovers, his ast/to % is pretty misleading. Analytically his team mates missed a statistically improbable amount of make-able shots and potential assists. With competent team mates this season his assist to turnover ratio would’ve been somewhere between 1-1.2 and it would be a totally different story here.
I will be very surprised if he doesn’t average 5-6 assists per game as a rookie.

[The Moose]

I don't really see the "court vision" aspect for Cade. Like in that video vs Baylor someone posted, 100% of his assists are easy reads to teammates who're right in front of him. And that's probably his most impressive passing game of the entire season, going by the numbers. He's a willing passer, which not all wings are, but I don't see him regularly finding angles that a typical competent wing wouldn't recognize. I'd often watch a game where he gets several dozen touches and makes zero "wow" passes.

He has a great ability to manipulate help defenders using his eyes, and create open shots for his team mates, not saying he's Magic Johnson but he's better than a 'competent wing'
here is a few examples, you've probably already seen, but anyway

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