Lauri Markkanen Thread: PG. 13 - KC: Bulls Extend QO to Lauri

[dukeespn]

He's gone already. He has nothing to offer what this team needs. AK already tried so hard to trade him at the deadline but it's too late. Another lost opportunity for "EVALUATION" by delusional FO.

TBH I'm not thrilled with the idea that we need to resign with Thesis too since what the Bulls need despreately are ball-handlers and wings.


I really want to see Lauri go to other team so that delusional fans can't blame him for all this total mess.  OFC Lauri was a part of the problem but he's not THE reason why this team has sucked so badly in recent years.

[step]

Can somebody explain how a sign and trade could be beneficial to anyone except the Bulls? I think I'm missing why we could get anything of value for a player that we won't likely resign.

It's not just a matter of us getting any value, it also removes the uncertainty of free agency for the other team. The Bulls can be pricks and just tease out the process as long as possible and end up matching the offer. That team would not only miss on Lauri, but most likely many of the other key free agents who are often signed at the start of the free agency period or shortly thereafter.

Many of us would be ecstatic with a simple TPE.

[VolumePoster]

Can somebody explain how a sign and trade could be beneficial to anyone except the Bulls? I think I'm missing why we could get anything of value for a player that we won't likely resign.

Because any team that doesn’t have cap space (or doesn’t want to use it on Markannen) can trade pieces for him. Not saying it’s a great plan, but there are a couple legit scenarios where it would make sense

Okay, I can see that. So we're looking for someone who values Lauri and has a resource they either don't want or can't retain.

[gobullschi]

I'm guessing he gets paid the same amount as Davis Bertans - 5 year - $80M.

[greenwing]

I don’t think Lauri will be here long term. My guess is that he’s traded for semi decent return and then ends up having a very productive career elsewhere. This board will then complain in future years about why we didn’t develop him properly and why we never found the right role for him to succeed. Honestly, I do think he fits this roster but with Vucevic he’s better as a big off the bench rather than as a starter whereas Lauri could start for most teams. Moving forward if you want to improve the roster it starts with Lavine and Vucevic. The Bulls need that third guy. Lauri, as talented as he is, is likely your fourth guy on a contending roster or a third guy if your other two guys are in the backcourt. The Bulls need one more star at the moment to really do some damage. They need to bring in either a stud point guard or a star wing while Williams continues to develop. I’m not sure overpaying for Lauri to restrict your flexibility to get that guy is the answer at this point in time.

[Leslie Forman]

We suck at developing players, its been proven. Our only non-lottery player selected that developed into an All-Star was Jimmy Butler.

You say this as if other teams are just cranking out Jimmy Butlers on the regular.

They're not. This franchise sure didn't keep Jimmy, Rose, Zach from developing.

[Sinistar6]

Lonzo opens him up IMO.

[bullsnewdynasty]

His future is the Euroleague

[WindyCityBorn]

We suck at developing players, its been proven. Our only non-lottery player selected that developed into an All-Star was Jimmy Butler. I wish Lauri nothing but the best outside of the state of Illinois.

Yes AK and Donovan suck at developing players. That is known fact. /s

Lauri was already a disappointment before they got here. Most all-stars are lottery picks so that a completely disingenuous argument. We had one. How many non-lottery pick all-stars have other teams had?

[WindyCityBorn]

Lonzo opens him up IMO.

We can’t acquire Lonzo in free agency and keep Lauri.

[Andi Obst]

Lonzo opens him up IMO.

We can’t acquire Lonzo in free agency and keep Lauri.

I don't think we'll try to create the capspace for Lonzo and I don't think we should. If Lonzo comes to Chicago, which I highly doubt, it has to be a sign-and-trade IMO. Would obviously still be hard to end up with both guys, but it's possible.

[Andi Obst]

I agree that he's most likely gone, I just don't have any idea where he ends up and how much he'll get. There is probably a chance he doesn't find a contract he loves out there and ends up being cheaper than expected. At that point, I could actually see him staying.

The Bulls are definitely not getting anything meaningful back in a sign-and-trade. That's just wishful thinking.

[nekorajo]

I’d rather have Bobby Portis for 1.7M.

100%
They say you can't teach size. Apparently, you can't teach passion either. I believe if Lauri played with even half of Bobby's intensity, the Bulls would have made the playoffs by now. His future? No defense, no toughness, no scoring in the paint = bench player.

[sco]

I’d rather have Bobby Portis for 1.7M.

100%
They say you can't teach size. Apparently, you can't teach passion either. I believe if Lauri played with even half of Bobby's intensity, the Bulls would have made the playoffs by now. His future? No defense, no toughness, no scoring in the paint = bench player.

Lauri may improve down the road, but he just strikes me as a guy who is content with his game and getting his middling-starter paycheck and won't ever play/train with passion.

If we lose Theis, I'd be ok going after Portis. His defense is still lacking, but at least he plays hard and is a better shooter and scorer than Lauri is.

[Almost Retired]

Lauri just doesn't seem to have the hunger it takes to be great. He's doing a tour of duty in the NBA, cashing nice checks and counting the days until he heads back to Finland as a rich man. I like the kid. He does have a skill set. Unfortunately that skill set hasn't really expanded in his years on the Bulls. We can only speculate if things might have worked out better if he had not had the clown coaching carousel and the injuries. Bottom line is that his salary expectations exceed his worth to the team. We should have traded him before the deadline. Our return now is likely to be salary he vacates that we can use elsewhere.

[dougthonus]

Can somebody explain how a sign and trade could be beneficial to anyone except the Bulls? I think I'm missing why we could get anything of value for a player that we won't likely resign.

There have been almost no sign and trades in the past 10 years for RFAs, I think there were a total of two, and there are virtually none that confer significant value to the trading team. Maybe Malcom Brogdon is the one exception that I can think of.

The reasons why it theoretically might work is if a team over the cap wants to get him and can't afford to pay him. We probably would be willing to help that team out in a S&T if we can make the other numbers work, but we'd have to take back salary in that situation, and so we'd only consider it if we're operating over the cap (which we might).

The other scenario is we might do a S&T to a team under the cap from an official standpoint so we can get a trade exception, if we operate over the cap. The other team would be doing us a favor in this case, and we might have to give up some cash or something for that to happen.

Either way, while I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Lauri giving us something in return, I think the best case scnearios are trade exception (which would be for half his starting salary) or 2nd round pick. Neither of which is anything to get excited about.

[Pax for Prez]

Can somebody explain how a sign and trade could be beneficial to anyone except the Bulls? I think I'm missing why we could get anything of value for a player that we won't likely resign.

There have been almost no sign and trades in the past 10 years for RFAs, I think there were a total of two, and there are virtually none that confer significant value to the trading team. Maybe Malcom Brogdon is the one exception that I can think of.

The reasons why it theoretically might work is if a team over the cap wants to get him and can't afford to pay him. We probably would be willing to help that team out in a S&T if we can make the other numbers work, but we'd have to take back salary in that situation, and so we'd only consider it if we're operating over the cap (which we might).

The other scenario is we might do a S&T to a team under the cap from an official standpoint so we can get a trade exception, if we operate over the cap. The other team would be doing us a favor in this case, and we might have to give up some cash or something for that to happen.

Either way, while I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Lauri giving us something in return, I think the best case scnearios are trade exception (which would be for half his starting salary) or 2nd round pick. Neither of which is anything to get excited about.

Here are some restrictive FA Trades I found:

The Indiana Pacers announced Saturday they have acquired guard Malcolm Brogdon from the Milwaukee Bucks in exchange for a future first round draft pick, as well as two future second round draft picks.

The Golden State Warriors have managed to loop the Minnesota Timberwolves in on the sign-and-trade deal that will send D’Angelo Russell to the Bay Area Per ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, the Warriors and Brooklyn Nets have outlined a sign-and-trade deal that will deliver Russell to Golden State on a four-year, $117 million deal. The sign-and-trade deal will include Golden State sending a protected future first-rounder to Brooklyn and re-routing Shabazz Napier, Treveon Graham and cash to the Timberwolves.

Terry Rozier Traded by the Boston Celtics with a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Grant Riller was later selected) to the Charlotte Hornets for Kemba Walker and a 2020 2nd round draft pick (Yam Madar was later selected). (2020 second-round pick is BRK's or NYK's, whichever is least favorable.) (top-53 protected)

The Chicago Bulls announced today that the team has acquired guard Tomas Satoransky (Thomas Sah-tore-RAN-skee) from the Washington Wizards in a sign-and-trade agreement. Chicago conveyed future draft considerations to Washington as part of the trade.

[FranchisePlayer]

I think he's going to be a solid rotational player, either as a fill-in starter or bench player, not one of the stars of a team. He finishes at an extremely high rate both at the rim and from the 3, which is modern NBA scoring. His 62% TS isn't far from Lavine's 63%, and he's 24. He'll look much better on almost any other team, since we have the league's worst PG situation by a mile. He'll probably get stronger, better on D, and the game will slow down for him.

I think when he walks, we''ll will wish he was back on the team after 1 or 2 contracts. So in other words, he's a prototypical Chicago Bull.

Good analysis although I see his ceiling as higher than you. Can you be a 2nd option and not a star?

But yeah, despite what his haters keep on repeating ad nauseam on this board, he'll be sorely missed after he walks.

[jacoby1us]

We suck at developing players, its been proven. Our only non-lottery player selected that developed into an All-Star was Jimmy Butler. I wish Lauri nothing but the best outside of the state of Illinois.

Yes AK and Donovan suck at developing players. That is known fact. /s

Lauri was already a disappointment before they got here. Most all-stars are lottery picks so that a completely disingenuous argument. We had one. How many non-lottery pick all-stars have other teams had?

Sarcasm not funny, Lauri was mentally checked out of this organization before AK and Coach Donovan arrived. You could tell Lauri was frustrated with his lack of progress under the Forman regime. Unfortunately, AK and Donovan got Lauri at the end of his time with the Bulls and the experiment has continued to be a failure for the organization in comparison to AK and Donovan's other success stories.

[Tetlak]

Hopefully he never suits up for the Bulls again. He just doesn't fit this era of ball.