Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain

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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#101 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Jul 3, 2021 7:20 pm

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70sFan wrote:Show me 7'2 300 lbs player running that fast then. It's certainly not Joel Embiid, who is one of the most athletic 7 footers we have now.

Coincidence? Embiid’s favorite big is Wilt.

Honestly, Embiid may be a more impressive athlete in some respects, at least in terms of skillset. Embiid's bag is like a combination of Kobe and Shaq. It's uncanny watching a human his size move so fluidly.


Even though I watch a ton of basketball during the season, like an embarrassing amount, he's one of those guys that kind of fly under the radar for whatever reason. Then the playoff start, I watch the 76ers a lot more, and I'm always amazed at what he can do. He's kind of a dancing bear type, not necessarily all that fast or explosive but his feet and hands are incredible. You expect that from an Olajuwon, but a big burly dude like that nimbly working his way into a fadeaway and softly dropping it in from 20 feet is pretty remarkable. I can't stand his personality at all, but he's a really fun player to behold.
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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#102 » by Sign5 » Sat Jul 3, 2021 7:21 pm

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Sign5 wrote:Man people do anything to discredit older players Jesus. Take Giannis add 3 inches, 40 pounds on him and keep the same ridiculous agility/speed, add some vert and give him more offensive skills + Bball IQ and you have Wilt Chamberlain.

Someone already alluded to Wilt stating his game was far more finnesse than he should have been. Which is true, if he genuinely took the Shaq approach then the dude most certainly would've averaged 45-50+ for his career.


Giannis is 6-11 without shoes and Wilt was 7-1 without shoes. So 2 inches.

Beethoven wrote:If you watch the video closely you'll see that everyone is pretty much running at the same speed.


Old film footage needs to be speed corrected.
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7'1 1/8 if we're being anal and some suspected he was truly 7'2. Looks like Kareems head who is 7'2 head just grazes over.
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Either way you get the point pal :P
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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#103 » by 70sFan » Sat Jul 3, 2021 7:32 pm

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70sFan wrote:Still waiting for the proof of the first clip being sped up.


It's probably not sped up by anyone at all. It doesn't have to be edited by someone to be faster. It's old enough film footage that it does not play at the original state and now plays faster than it should, because of the effects of aging. No one has to edit it to be faster, or to "speed it up". The age of the film caused it to happen on its own.

It's obviously not speed corrected back to its original state, in order to account for the film aging.

A lot of these footage don't run in proper speed, but some of them are corrected. NBA has been remastering old tapes for years and the first clip comes from their new YT video. It looks fine to me personally.
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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#104 » by Jazztop » Sun Jul 4, 2021 3:01 am

Salieri wrote:Let's also take into account one critical factor that for some reason never gets consideration when we talk about how "clumsy", uncoordinated, unathletic or just plain bad these players in old footage look.

Those players look clumsy running up and down the court wth the ball because that's what the rules made them look.

You get any player from today's NBA and put him in 60's NBA, and he wouldn't be able to take 4 steps without getting called for carrying. This palming the ball, this carrying that everyone does nowadays and allows for a much more agile way to move with the ball would not be tolerated back then.

It's easy to look agile and fast when you only need to dribble the ball a couple of times along an entire half court while running at full speed. If you really enforce the carrying rule to the point where any hand placed on the "southern hemisphere" of the ball is a carry, the game of basketball becomes very different.

So when people say "wow, that player would look totally pedestrian in today's NBA, such a scrub", my response tends to be "well, this star everyone loves today wouldn't be able to play at all in the 60's, he would be a walking turnover as soon as he touches the ball".

Please keep that in mind next time you think players from old eras "were plumbers and played like plumbers" while believing any scrub today would be a HoFer yesteryear.

This is a fair point. Also the shoes back then were far worse. I have no doubt if Wilt grew up in the 21st century then he’d be one of the elite athletes and players in the league. I just think back then everyone was inferior but for his time, he was obviously the greatest athlete by far.
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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#105 » by 70sFan » Sun Jul 4, 2021 9:43 am

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Salieri wrote:Let's also take into account one critical factor that for some reason never gets consideration when we talk about how "clumsy", uncoordinated, unathletic or just plain bad these players in old footage look.

Those players look clumsy running up and down the court wth the ball because that's what the rules made them look.

You get any player from today's NBA and put him in 60's NBA, and he wouldn't be able to take 4 steps without getting called for carrying. This palming the ball, this carrying that everyone does nowadays and allows for a much more agile way to move with the ball would not be tolerated back then.

It's easy to look agile and fast when you only need to dribble the ball a couple of times along an entire half court while running at full speed. If you really enforce the carrying rule to the point where any hand placed on the "southern hemisphere" of the ball is a carry, the game of basketball becomes very different.

So when people say "wow, that player would look totally pedestrian in today's NBA, such a scrub", my response tends to be "well, this star everyone loves today wouldn't be able to play at all in the 60's, he would be a walking turnover as soon as he touches the ball".

Please keep that in mind next time you think players from old eras "were plumbers and played like plumbers" while believing any scrub today would be a HoFer yesteryear.

This is a fair point. Also the shoes back then were far worse. I have no doubt if Wilt grew up in the 21st century then he’d be one of the elite athletes and players in the league. I just think back then everyone was inferior but for his time, he was obviously the greatest athlete by far.

I'm sure that if you take 1957 Wilt to modern NBA and give him time to adjust, he'd be a monster within first three years. He was way too good to struggle a longer period.
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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#106 » by JN61 » Sun Jul 4, 2021 10:20 am

Pretty good running speed for a plumber!
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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#107 » by 70sFan » Sun Jul 4, 2021 9:50 pm

JN61 wrote:Pretty good running speed for a plumber!

Is he the fastest plumber ever? :)
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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#108 » by michaelm » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:32 pm

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70sFan wrote:No, he didn't.

Sometimes it seems like people don't understand how hard it was to make the NBA. There were way less teams, and still a robust high school and college basketball scene. Sure they played a different style, they were coached differently and they trained differently. But the truth is guys like Wilt have athletic abilities that translate to any era. He'd just have different coaching and better training, but there's absolutely no proof that a guy like Wilt wouldn't be dominant in this era.

Wilt held his own against Kareem, Kareem held his own against Hakeem, Hakeem held his own against Shaq and Shaq won a championship after LeBron started playing in the NBA. So we can go all the way back to Wilt's time and demonstrate that there was no enormous jump in ability. I wish Shaq had dominated Hakeem for instance, but it didn't happen...


Having done a ton of reading on Wilt, I do think there's a significant amount of exaggeration when it comes to his physical abilities, much of it coming from him. Like the tale about how he dunked the ball so hard through the rim it broke Red Kerr's toe; that one came from Kerr himself, but you could have 1,000 people corroborate that and I still wouldn't believe it.

For me, personally, the guy I think who gets constantly underrated for being the ultimate NBA freak of nature is Shaq. The human race has never produced a physical specimen like that, a 7-1, 350-pound dude with a proportional body and power, explosiveness, speed, quickness and agility to burn. Wilt might have been better from a track perspective, but on the court Shaq was in a class entirely of his own IMO. (Honorable mention to David Robinson.)

All of that said, I do think it's weird that so many NBA fans seem to bend over backwards to disrespect the game's history, something I rarely see with baseball and football. Obviously somebody like George Mikan would struggle in today's game, to the point that he might not even be able to play given the demands on defending in space and spacing the floor. And so what? He played when he played, he did what he did, and he served an integral role in helping establish the NBA as a permanent fixture in US pro sports.

And Wilt ... I see the same slight lack of fluidity and explosiveness that some other posters do (which is nitpicking), but if you can't also see the speed and sheer mobility of a guy that huge, you're being willfully ignorant. An athlete of his caliber coming along in the 50s must have been like seeing an alien land on the White House lawn. And 10 years later, only a couple of months removed from returning from a catastrophic knee injury at 33, he dropped 45/27 on Willis Reed in a Finals game -- most assuredly not a plumber or mechanic.

So bottom line, Wilt was decades ahead of his time, and he would absolutely translate to the modern game, especially if you consider advances in coaching/training/tactics. Hell, he was probably one of the first athletes to really get into weight lifting, at a point that was almost entirely a football thing. He'd also have coaches in his ear from Day 1 telling him to dunk every chance he got instead of settling for fadeaways and finger rolls, so his entire mentality would be different.

Some guy called Arnold Schwarzenegger said he was lifting heavier weights than him when they made the Conan movie at whatever age he was then. Was also a world class at volleyball after his NBA career. I am a Bill Russell fan myself ahead of Wilt btw.

Shaq may well have been better overall as a basketball player/basketball center from my limited perspective, but whether the officiating of his day would have allowed Wilt to play like Shaq if he was capable of doing so seems to be a separate question.
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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#109 » by dhsilv2 » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:38 pm

70sFan wrote:
JN61 wrote:Pretty good running speed for a plumber!

Is he the fastest plumber ever? :)


Maybe, but could he fly and shoot fire balls while jumping 4x his height? Wilt was fine, but he's a scrub by plumber standards...

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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#110 » by SkyHookFTW » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:43 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:
KrAzY3 wrote:
70sFan wrote:No, he didn't.

Sometimes it seems like people don't understand how hard it was to make the NBA. There were way less teams, and still a robust high school and college basketball scene. Sure they played a different style, they were coached differently and they trained differently. But the truth is guys like Wilt have athletic abilities that translate to any era. He'd just have different coaching and better training, but there's absolutely no proof that a guy like Wilt wouldn't be dominant in this era.

Wilt held his own against Kareem, Kareem held his own against Hakeem, Hakeem held his own against Shaq and Shaq won a championship after LeBron started playing in the NBA. So we can go all the way back to Wilt's time and demonstrate that there was no enormous jump in ability. I wish Shaq had dominated Hakeem for instance, but it didn't happen...


Having done a ton of reading on Wilt, I do think there's a significant amount of exaggeration when it comes to his physical abilities, much of it coming from him. Like the tale about how he dunked the ball so hard through the rim it broke Red Kerr's toe; that one came from Kerr himself, but you could have 1,000 people corroborate that and I still wouldn't believe it.

For me, personally, the guy I think who gets constantly underrated for being the ultimate NBA freak of nature is Shaq. The human race has never produced a physical specimen like that, a 7-1, 350-pound dude with a proportional body and power, explosiveness, speed, quickness and agility to burn. Wilt might have been better from a track perspective, but on the court Shaq was in a class entirely of his own IMO. (Honorable mention to David Robinson.)


That's probably because Shaq didn't keep himself in prime shape as he aged.
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Re: Insane speed of Wilt Chamberlain 

Post#111 » by 70sFan » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:16 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
70sFan wrote:
JN61 wrote:Pretty good running speed for a plumber!

Is he the fastest plumber ever? :)


Maybe, but could he fly and shoot fire balls while jumping 4x his height? Wilt was fine, but he's a scrub by plumber standards...

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Yeah, Wilt's vertical is no match compared to the best plumbers. He should have been ashamed.

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