MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[Beenie]

Price on Sexton is too rich in what could wind up being a buyers market for PGs/ball-handlers.

I like Colin but not at the rumored asking price which would severely limit Mia’s ability to make additional moves.

[twix2500]

When it comes to Sexton we need to be mindful that the Cavs can stretch this out and are not obligated to deal him any time soon. The draw for them to deal him much sooner is if they see a package they can't refuse. Most if not all of those packages are probably going to have Kevin Love attached if you really want the Cavs to play ball. I don't see them being knocked off there feet with a Herro and Achuiwa offer. Taking on Kevin Love and the rest of that contract with Herro and Achuiwa is another story though. Another factor muddying up the waters here is Jalen Green. This does not put them in any desperate spot for Herro. Regardless the Cavs can take there chances waiting for the highest bidder to come along around trade deadline or just deal with his restricted free agency. So pretty much the conclusion here is were going to have to bite some type of bullet if with want Sexton sooner rather then later and that means taking on Kevin Love.

I doubt Heat will wait. They can't go into free agency not making a trade

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[twix2500]

Price on Sexton is too rich in what could wind up being a buyers market for PGs/ball-handlers.

I like Colin but not at the rumored asking price which would severely limit Mia’s ability to make additional moves.

What is the rumor asking price?

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[MettaWorldPanda]

With Dirk having a big position with the Mavs it wouldn't shock me to see the Mavs going after Dennis Schroder hard. They have the cap space to do it too and the relationship between Schroder and Dirk is tight. Schroder tbh could be a good backcourt fit with Luka because of his defense. How Dragic works into the equation will be interesting. Ideally Dragic is brought on to be a backup but the Mavs would seriously balk at paying 19 million to be a backup when they already have a discounted Jalen Brunson unless they move off Porzingis contract. The Dragic talks to the Mavs are possibly just our fan fiction minds racing because we want to see him with Luka.

[MettaWorldPanda]

When it comes to Sexton we need to be mindful that the Cavs can stretch this out and are not obligated to deal him any time soon. The draw for them to deal him much sooner is if they see a package they can't refuse. Most if not all of those packages are probably going to have Kevin Love attached if you really want the Cavs to play ball. I don't see them being knocked off there feet with a Herro and Achuiwa offer. Taking on Kevin Love and the rest of that contract with Herro and Achuiwa is another story though. Another factor muddying up the waters here is Jalen Green. This does not put them in any desperate spot for Herro. Regardless the Cavs can take there chances waiting for the highest bidder to come along around trade deadline or just deal with his restricted free agency. So pretty much the conclusion here is were going to have to bite some type of bullet if with want Sexton sooner rather then later and that means taking on Kevin Love.

I doubt Heat will wait. They can't go into free agency not making a trade

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I know, It's going to be a real slippery slope to convince the Cavs to move on our timeline.

[eddieheatfan]

ira winderman thinks that the heat must do their thing quickly or.....



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/winderman-heat-offseason-decisions-could-come-down-to-sooner-or-later-commentary/ar-AALJxpG?ocid=winp1taskbar

But there also is a flip side, and danger, to the waiting game, because those you plan to court may leave you stranded at the altar, with the Heat left to lament previous what-could-have-beens with Kevin Durant and Gordon Hayward, among others.

The prelude to this past season, in fact, offered another example of placing hope ahead of haste.

In that case, as Riley and his front office waited to see if Giannis Antetokounmpo would re-up with the Milwaukee Bucks or enter 2021 free agency, the Heat limited their free-agency guarantees to a single season. Jae Crowder walked. Others who could have boosted the Heat bench balked at being offered only one-year deals.

So Moe Harkless and Avery Bradley it was.

And then Antetokounmpo reupped with the Bucks.

[Beenie]

Price on Sexton is too rich in what could wind up being a buyers market for PGs/ball-handlers.

I like Colin but not at the rumored asking price which would severely limit Mia’s ability to make additional moves.

What is the rumor asking price?

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Namely, the inclusion of Love’s contract and then having to potentially max-extend Sexton.

But Herro, Dragic/Iggie, and filler are the rumored “assets” to be shipped out.

[twix2500]

Price on Sexton is too rich in what could wind up being a buyers market for PGs/ball-handlers.

I like Colin but not at the rumored asking price which would severely limit Mia’s ability to make additional moves.

What is the rumor asking price?

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Namely, the inclusion of Love’s contract and then having to potentially max-extend Sexton.

But Herro, Dragic/Iggie, and filler are the rumored “assets” to be shipped out.

I think that's just us internet GM that offered that for Sexton? I know it was said they want to package Love with Sexton. But Dragic, Iggy and Herro just makes cap sense. IMO if that's all Cavs wanted it would of happened. I would think they want more than that.

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[twix2500]

What is the rumor asking price?

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Namely, the inclusion of Love’s contract and then having to potentially max-extend Sexton.

But Herro, Dragic/Iggie, and filler are the rumored “assets” to be shipped out.

I think that's just us internet GM that offered that for Sexton? I know it was said they want to package Love with Sexton. But Dragic, Iggy and Herro just makes cap sense. IMO if that's all Cavs wanted it would of happened. I would think they want more than that.

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Last I heard that Heat and Cavs talked the Heat started to look for a third team to get involved in which means to me they want to find Dragic a home to s third team and Cavs want something the Heat do not have and hopefully the Heat can get it by sending Dragic and or Iggy to a third team.

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[Trapstar3]

Lauri can't play defense. Bring Thad young

And that's a big difference between KP and Lauri. Kristaps can at least rim protect. Overall defense was poor last year though. Was that an outlier or what we can expect from now on?

I think he have tons of potential but he can't stay healthy. I think he is a great rim protector when healthy but can he be healthy? My answer is no.
I wouldn't take that risk now.

Taking high risk/high upside players is our only chance of actually doing something next season.

[DayofMourning]

ira winderman thinks that the heat must do their thing quickly or.....



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/winderman-heat-offseason-decisions-could-come-down-to-sooner-or-later-commentary/ar-AALJxpG?ocid=winp1taskbar

But there also is a flip side, and danger, to the waiting game, because those you plan to court may leave you stranded at the altar, with the Heat left to lament previous what-could-have-beens with Kevin Durant and Gordon Hayward, among others.

The prelude to this past season, in fact, offered another example of placing hope ahead of haste.

In that case, as Riley and his front office waited to see if Giannis Antetokounmpo would re-up with the Milwaukee Bucks or enter 2021 free agency, the Heat limited their free-agency guarantees to a single season. Jae Crowder walked. Others who could have boosted the Heat bench balked at being offered only one-year deals.

So Moe Harkless and Avery Bradley it was.

And then Antetokounmpo reupped with the Bucks.

Can't wait anymore. I think the majority of these super duper stars already know what they want to do. If they aren't at your doorstep then they're not coming. Don't wait like a 15 year old girl next to the phone waiting for a text either. Be aggressive and make the best moves you can before your left wanting.

[MettaWorldPanda]

And that's a big difference between KP and Lauri. Kristaps can at least rim protect. Overall defense was poor last year though. Was that an outlier or what we can expect from now on?

I think he have tons of potential but he can't stay healthy. I think he is a great rim protector when healthy but can he be healthy? My answer is no.
I wouldn't take that risk now.

Taking high risk/high upside players is our only chance of actually doing something next season.

Agreed. The only way teams take on Dragic and Iguodala opt ins is if they are getting an opportunity to get out from current long term details. If nothing materializes before draft i feel like the team is not going to have a choice and the players that need to be renounced will be. As great in theory as it sounds operating as a capped team we can’t risk going into free agency without our minimum 23-27.7 to spend. We also can’t risk for cap purposes opting in on Dragic and Iguodala and nobody wanting to play ball in trade. Dragic is iffy at 19.5 million and Iguodala is a vet minimum player at this stage. Trades will go down on or before draft day if anyone is interested in trading for the opt in players. Porzingis and Love + Sexton are the realistic names to look out for. If we go the trade for depressed asset route we will also be able to add via the MLE 9.7 and BA 3.6. If we go the 23-27.7 cap space route we only have the room exeption at 4.7. Glad we have Andy to sort all this crap out.

[MettaWorldPanda]

ira winderman thinks that the heat must do their thing quickly or.....



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/winderman-heat-offseason-decisions-could-come-down-to-sooner-or-later-commentary/ar-AALJxpG?ocid=winp1taskbar

But there also is a flip side, and danger, to the waiting game, because those you plan to court may leave you stranded at the altar, with the Heat left to lament previous what-could-have-beens with Kevin Durant and Gordon Hayward, among others.

The prelude to this past season, in fact, offered another example of placing hope ahead of haste.

In that case, as Riley and his front office waited to see if Giannis Antetokounmpo would re-up with the Milwaukee Bucks or enter 2021 free agency, the Heat limited their free-agency guarantees to a single season. Jae Crowder walked. Others who could have boosted the Heat bench balked at being offered only one-year deals.

So Moe Harkless and Avery Bradley it was.

And then Antetokounmpo reupped with the Bucks.

Can't wait anymore. I think the majority of these super duper stars already know what they want to do. If they aren't at your doorstep then they're not coming. Don't wait like a 15 year old girl next to the phone waiting for a text either. Be aggressive and make the best moves you can before your left wanting.

If you don’t get creative trading for a depressed asset with Dragic and Iguodala before August first we could be left at a cross roads. Deals will need to happen around draft time. The issue with operating as a room team is we will be at the mercy of paying a Lowry or THJ a good chuck of our space and bringing back Duncan and Nunn at whatever inflated numbers they get. 4.7 million room to fill the front court. Vet minimum and rookie deals to fill roster. Pick your poison

[MettaWorldPanda]

Working as a cap space team we are essentially running it back with a few key additions. We need Lowry to take a little less so we could offer Rudy Gay or Jamychal Green 7.5 million to fill a role at PF. Perfect world you get a Lowry to take 20 million if not you know you can get Dinwiddie or THJ for that figure. In order to get to 27.7 we need to renounce Nunn. We will be left looking for a backup PG with 4.7 room exception.

No trades cap space roster

C Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF JaMychal Green or PF Rudy Gay PF Precious Achuiwa
SF Jimmy Butler SF KZ Okpala or 4.7 Room
SG Duncan Robinson SG Tyler Herro SG Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry or PG Spencer Dinwiddie (PG Kendrick Nunn) or 4.7 million room exception.

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[DayofMourning]

Working as a cap space team we are essentially running it back with a few key additions. We need Lowry to take a little less so we could offer Rudy Gay or Jamychal Green 7.5 million to fill a role at PF. Perfect world you get a Lowry to take 20 million if not you know you can get Dinwiddie or THJ for that figure. In order to get to 27.7 we need to renounce Nunn. We will be left looking for a backup PG with 4.7 room exception.

No trades cap space roster

C Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF JaMychal Green or PF Rudy Gay PF Precious Achuiwa
SF Jimmy Butler SF KZ Okpala or 4.7 Room
SG Duncan Robinson SG Tyler Herro SG Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry or PG Spencer Dinwiddie (PG Kendrick Nunn) or 4.7 million roon exception.

It's always been trader Pat. Every big name he's ever gotten has come via trade.

I'm ready for PorSex to come light South Beach up. Let's get Dragic to Dallas to make Luka happy. Herro to the Cavs to keep them rich in assets.

What do we do after that? Can we sign and trade Nunn for another player? That parts foggy for me.

[twix2500]

If the Heat get Love and Sexton for the Iggy, Dragic and Herro offer, they will have 107 mill of salary giving the Heat 30 mill to fill the roster under the tax apron of 137 mill

PG:
SG: Sexton
SF: Butler - Okpala
PF: Love - Precious
Ce: Adebayo - Yertseven

Trade chips Robinson and Nunn
Full MLE

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[twix2500]

If the Heat get Love and Sexton for the Iggy, Dragic and Herro offer, they will have 107 mill of salary giving the Heat 30 mill to fill the roster under the tax apron of 137 mill

PG:
SG: Sexton
SF: Butler - Okpala
PF: Love - Precious
Ce: Adebayo - Yertseven

Trade chips Robinson and Nunn
Full MLE

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With that outlook, NO looks like a great team to trade Robinson and Nunn to get role players. Players like Lonzo Ball and Josh Hart and their draft picks would be appealing

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