Alperen Şengün

[baldur]

Still seems to be getting slept on. I wonder if it will be reflected in the actual draft. I think he is clearly a lottery level prospect not sure he goes there though if the general consensus is even close

it is certain he will be drafted in the lottery.

A follower of INTL the prospects I assume you are...most are maybe not as much since the consensus is counter to this opinion. I agree as I stated he is a lottery level prospect but so was Poku in a weaker draft and still was not taken in the top 14. I think a lot of these orgs aare so busy patting the backs of their connections in USA circles they rarely take the risk on intl prospects unless they are insane cant miss ones.

Sengun comes into this draft as the mvp of a top 4 league in the world at the age of 18 with a massive production and incredible stats. Poku was always projected as middle first rounder in the mock drafts while alperen is being projected as high as the 6th pick in some mock drafts.

[Stillwater]

it is certain he will be drafted in the lottery.

A follower of INTL the prospects I assume you are...most are maybe not as much since the consensus is counter to this opinion. I agree as I stated he is a lottery level prospect but so was Poku in a weaker draft and still was not taken in the top 14. I think a lot of these orgs aare so busy patting the backs of their connections in USA circles they rarely take the risk on intl prospects unless they are insane cant miss ones.

Sengun comes into this draft as the mvp of a top 4 league in the world at the age of 18 with a massive production and incredible stats. Poku was always projected as middle first rounder in the mock drafts while alperen is being projected as high as the 6th pick in some mock drafts.

I like him at 10 or after I mean nobody is talking about Santiago Aldama in the first either hidden away in the Patriot league with good offensive upside.
My point is Sengun could easily fall to late lottery post lottery based on the current consensus esp with the full resume not being the same as recency bias and most scouting not sharing their current updated opinions hoping he slides...

[Mirotic12]

Sengun comes into this draft as the mvp of a top 4 league in the world at the age of 18 with a massive production and incredible stats. Poku was always projected as middle first rounder in the mock drafts while alperen is being projected as high as the 6th pick in some mock drafts.

US sports media has way too much influence over how people view European basketball. Every article says Turkish League is the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best league in the world..........

It's not. No way in hell.

1. NBA
2. EuroLeague
3. EuroCup / FIBA Champions League
5. ACB League
6. VTN United League

Are all clearly better leagues than the Turkey's BSL. Very clearly those leagues are better. Turkey's BSL then is arguably in the next tier of leagues in Europe, like Italy's league, Greece's league, Germany's league, France's league. BYou could argue BSL is better than those leagues, but I would put Italy's league over BSL, and I would put BSL and Greece's league on par, with Olympiacos back in it.

I think those leagues are all still better than leagues like FIBA Americas Champions League and the NBL in Australia, but it's probably debatable.

But there is no way that Turkey's league is a top 4 league in the world. It's crazy how unbelievably overrated that league is accoridng to US sports media. It's also most likely just some agenda and gimmick they are pushing for whatever reason. Because the same US sports media used to claim over and over that Spain's league was the second best league in the world.

They would never correct that wrong claim, and even at the draft shows they would say it over and over and over. Finally, they stopped making that claim. But now all of a sudden they started making the even more absurd claim that Turkey's league is the 2nd, 3rd, 4th best in the world.

But yeah, the Turkish BSL is amazingly overrated by US sports media.

[Charm]

Sengun comes into this draft as the mvp of a top 4 league in the world at the age of 18 with a massive production and incredible stats. Poku was always projected as middle first rounder in the mock drafts while alperen is being projected as high as the 6th pick in some mock drafts.

US sports media has way too much influence over how people view European basketball. Every article says Turkish League is the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best league in the world..........

It's not. No way in hell.

1. NBA
2. EuroLeague
3. EuroCup / FIBA Champions League
5. ACB League
6. VTN United League

Are all clearly better leagues than the Turkey's BSL. Very clearly those leagues are better. Turkey's BSL then is arguably in the next tier of leagues in Europe, like Italy's league, Greece's league, Germany's league, France's league. BYou could argue BSL is better than those leagues, but I would put Italy's league over BSL, and I would put BSL and Greece's league on par, with Olympiacos back in it.

I think those leagues are all still better than leagues like FIBA Americas Champions League and the NBL in Australia, but it's probably debatable.

But there is no way that Turkey's league is a top 4 league in the world. It's crazy how unbelievably overrated that league is accoridng to US sports media. It's also most likely just some agenda and gimmick they are pushing for whatever reason. Because the same US sports media used to claim over and over that Spain's league was the second best league in the world.

They would never correct that wrong claim, and even at the draft shows they would say it over and over and over. Finally, they stopped making that claim. But now all of a sudden they started making the even more absurd claim that Turkey's league is the 2nd, 3rd, 4th best in the world.

But yeah, the Turkish BSL is amazingly overrated by US sports media.

I can see how it's annoying to you, but I don't think these comparisons between European leagues are very relevant to this draft. Yes, there are better European leagues, but if we're comparing Sengun to the overwhelming majority of other prospects, then BSL vs NCAA is the relevant comparison. And the BSL is certainly stronger than NCAA.

[Mirotic12]

I can see how it's annoying to you, but I don't think these comparisons between European leagues are very relevant to this draft. Yes, there are better European leagues, but if we're comparing Sengun to the overwhelming majority of other prospects, then BSL vs NCAA is the relevant comparison. And the BSL is certainly stronger than NCAA.

Absolutely, the BSL is much stronger than the NCAA as a level of competition. But it's the way the US sports media always seems to have these agendas whenever they talk about anything related to European basketball. There is no reason why US sports media sources and the US draft sites can't have accurate information about European basketball. It's 2021 and they still refuse to talk about it accurately.

And that is evident also in the NCAA comparisons for draft prospects. I remember before Luka was drafted there was endless debate about him because so many people said the EuroLeague was a lower level of competition than the NCAA and that nothing he did in the EuroLeague should even matter. And this isn't just coming from ignorance or nationalism type of things. You could look through US sports media at the time and see the same things being said.

Or they would try to in their minds I guess cleverly disguise such trolling by asking questions like, "Is Luka overrated because we didn't seem him play against the best competition in the NCAA?", or "Do we really know how good Luka is, even though he never played against the best American prospects?" Total BS like that. Saying Turkey's league is top 2 or 3 in the world is similar complete nonsense from US sports media.

So of course Turkish League is much better than NCAA. But the absolute amateur level that US sports media talks about European basketball is what causes all of this BS and nonsense in how so many Americans view it. Because they keep getting told things about European basketball by US sports media that just are flat out wrong.

I mean US sports media was talking about Greek 2nd division (a pro men's league) before Giannis and Poku were drafted and some of them were actually claiming it was a lower level than junior high school (age under-14) in the USA.......

It's because of that kind of BS from the US sports media that we have all these same debates on every European draft prospect before the draft. They are either way overrated by US sports media (Bender, Hezonja, etc.), way underrated by US sports media (Doncic, etc.), and/or they are presented by the US sports media with a whole bunch of claims about them which are just untrue, like the whole "Doncic has been playing at a professional level against grown men since he was age 13" trolling schtick. I guess it's good for creating endless debates on sites like this.

[Yallbecrazy]

Euroleague, Eurocup and Champions League are often not being counted as the contestants aren't always the same. The turkish league is probably the second best domestic league in Europe

[Onus]

Euroleague, Eurocup and Champions League are often not being counted as the contestants aren't always the same. The turkish league is probably the second best domestic league in Europe

These are probably seen as tournaments and not actual leagues.

[baldur]

Sengun comes into this draft as the mvp of a top 4 league in the world at the age of 18 with a massive production and incredible stats. Poku was always projected as middle first rounder in the mock drafts while alperen is being projected as high as the 6th pick in some mock drafts.

US sports media has way too much influence over how people view European basketball. Every article says Turkish League is the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best league in the world..........

It's not. No way in hell.

1. NBA
2. EuroLeague
3. EuroCup / FIBA Champions League
5. ACB League
6. VTN United League

Are all clearly better leagues than the Turkey's BSL. Very clearly those leagues are better. Turkey's BSL then is arguably in the next tier of leagues in Europe, like Italy's league, Greece's league, Germany's league, France's league. BYou could argue BSL is better than those leagues, but I would put Italy's league over BSL, and I would put BSL and Greece's league on par, with Olympiacos back in it.

I think those leagues are all still better than leagues like FIBA Americas Champions League and the NBL in Australia, but it's probably debatable.

But there is no way that Turkey's league is a top 4 league in the world. It's crazy how unbelievably overrated that league is accoridng to US sports media. It's also most likely just some agenda and gimmick they are pushing for whatever reason. Because the same US sports media used to claim over and over that Spain's league was the second best league in the world.

They would never correct that wrong claim, and even at the draft shows they would say it over and over and over. Finally, they stopped making that claim. But now all of a sudden they started making the even more absurd claim that Turkey's league is the 2nd, 3rd, 4th best in the world.

But yeah, the Turkish BSL is amazingly overrated by US sports media.

Yeah, being 5th or 6th best instead of 4th does really require such a detailed rant.

[Zombiesonics]

tracking him and this thread for a few months now, I'm a bit confused why he isn't considered a near lock to be a top 5 pick? Yes he''s not a switchable right now and you'll be limited with the schemes you can play defensively , but he's the mvp of a league with decent competition and is remarkably young to boot.

to me he seems like the best offensively player in the draft, but not necessarily the guy with the most upside to be a number 1 option. if that makes sense.

[Mirotic12]

Euroleague, Eurocup and Champions League are often not being counted as the contestants aren't always the same. The turkish league is probably the second best domestic league in Europe

Turkish League has different teams in each season. It might even have more different teams in it each season than the EuroLeague does. So why would that even matter?

Turkish League isn't the 2nd best domestic league in Europe. Liga ACB (Spain) and VTB United League (Russia) are clearly stronger leagues than Turkish BSL. Not really debatable even. Turkish BSL is in the next group of European domestic leagues, along with LBA (Italy) and GBL (Greece), now that Olympiacos is back in the league. So the Turkish League is somewhere in the range of the 3rd to 5th best domestic league in Europe.

Saying that the 3rd to 5th best domestic league in Europe is the 2nd or 3rd best league in the world is ridiculous and it's clownish amateurism coming from these US sports media outlets.

These are probably seen as tournaments and not actual leagues.

EuroLeague is a league, not a tournament. So if they don't count it because of that, they are factually wrong and are being amateurish in their "analysis". And not counting any of those competitions when making rankings across competitions for the purposes of evaluating draft prospects is just downright stupid and even at the level of being clownish.

You don't discount entire better competition levels, when you are trying to evaluate and judge the level of a draft prospect. So whether they discount those better levels because they simply don't know they exist (ignorance), or because they don't believe they are actually competitions that count (absurd), or because they actually think the Turkish BSL is better than them (ridiculous), the conclusion is the same. Regardless of whatever flawed reasoning or evaluation that they do, they are just flat out wrong and they come across as total amateurs, yet they always seem to have such an authoritative tone about these prospects and the leagues they play in, and what that means, etc.

And the whole it's a tournament argument is completely irrational in the first place. Because the NCAA contains a series of tournaments, and I've never once heard anyone in US sports media say they have to ignore the NCAA as a way to judge prospects, because it has tournament systems.

[Sactowndog]

I can see how it's annoying to you, but I don't think these comparisons between European leagues are very relevant to this draft. Yes, there are better European leagues, but if we're comparing Sengun to the overwhelming majority of other prospects, then BSL vs NCAA is the relevant comparison. And the BSL is certainly stronger than NCAA.

Absolutely, the BSL is much stronger than the NCAA as a level of competition. But it's the way the US sports media always seems to have these agendas whenever they talk about anything related to European basketball. There is no reason why US sports media sources and the US draft sites can't have accurate information about European basketball. It's 2021 and they still refuse to talk about it accurately.

And that is evident also in the NCAA comparisons for draft prospects. I remember before Luka was drafted there was endless debate about him because so many people said the EuroLeague was a lower level of competition than the NCAA and that nothing he did in the EuroLeague should even matter. And this isn't just coming from ignorance or nationalism type of things. You could look through US sports media at the time and see the same things being said.

Or they would try to in their minds I guess cleverly disguise such trolling by asking questions like, "Is Luka overrated because we didn't seem him play against the best competition in the NCAA?", or "Do we really know how good Luka is, even though he never played against the best American prospects?" Total BS like that. Saying Turkey's league is top 2 or 3 in the world is similar complete nonsense from US sports media.

So of course Turkish League is much better than NCAA. But the absolute amateur level that US sports media talks about European basketball is what causes all of this BS and nonsense in how so many Americans view it. Because they keep getting told things about European basketball by US sports media that just are flat out wrong.

I mean US sports media was talking about Greek 2nd division (a pro men's league) before Giannis and Poku were drafted and some of them were actually claiming it was a lower level than junior high school (age under-14) in the USA.......

It's because of that kind of BS from the US sports media that we have all these same debates on every European draft prospect before the draft. They are either way overrated by US sports media (Bender, Hezonja, etc.), way underrated by US sports media (Doncic, etc.), and/or they are presented by the US sports media with a whole bunch of claims about them which are just untrue, like the whole "Doncic has been playing at a professional level against grown men since he was age 13" trolling schtick. I guess it's good for creating endless debates on sites like this.

Americans are very ethno centric. That’s changing but most national sports journalists are older guys. Also Americans have nothing similar to the domestic Euro league set-up common in Europe so the complex layers of leagues can be confusing. My own son played in the Croatian Water Polo league and Champions league and I was always having to confirm what league are we playing in this week.

[ofeek]

In an ongoing olympic qualifiers game, he already scored 9 points with 3/5 FG in about 10 minutes of playing time. He also collected 4 boards.

Turkey leading Greece 34-27 in half.

If Cedi Osman stops screwing his team acting like the primary option on the court, we may hopefully see him playing against Canada as well.

That would be a real showcase for him against NBA players.

[schnakenpopanz]

No way he can play vs Canada, they are out of the tournament

[Brick Layer]

In an ongoing olympic qualifiers game, he already scored 9 points with 3/5 FG in about 10 minutes of playing time. He also collected 4 boards.

Turkey leading Greece 34-27 in half.

If Cedi Osman stops screwing his team acting like the primary option on the court, we may hopefully see him playing against Canada as well.

That would be a real showcase for him against NBA players.

Canada has been eliminated from Olympic qualification by the Czech Republic when Tomas Satoransky hit a tough turnaround jumper off glass with 1.8 seconds left in overtime, which proved to be the game-winner.

[ofeek]

No way he can play vs Canada, they are out of the tournament

Haha sorry guys

I did not check it after waking up from my bed to watch the game in Europe

[EvanZ]

Has to do better than this

Read on Twitter

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[Mirotic12]

Sengun is an amazing player for his age, and his skill level is tremendous for his age and position. But Greece has very big and very athletic centers, that are bigger and more athletic than he is, and more athletic probably than what he would almost ever normally see in Turkish League. It clearly affected him the whole time he was in the game.

It wasn't a bunch of pushover centers like he often sees in Turkish League ("2nd best league in the world")...

They made him look like a 19 year old kid, from a physical standpoint. So we have a better idea of where he's at right now. Incredible skill for his age, but he's a 19 year old center, and he looked like it physically. Georgios Papagiannis looked way more physical and athletic than Sengun did.

[baldur]

Has to do better than this

Read on Twitter

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nevermind. my bad.

[Charm]

18-year-old center has bad footwork in the pick&roll. Stick a fork in him.

[DCasey91]

Sengun is not a center, small ball sure but he’s 100% a PF.

I’ll stick to a bigger Saric as a fair comp. Look he’s uber talented for his age no question but what kind of offensive role is he really going to have in the NBA?

He is going to look small match up wise against centers right now... because he isn’t one lol. And he isn’t prodigiously skilled defensively, offense is what your buying here.

His shot is translatable, but his whole offensive game per say? Not likely.

Saric used to playmake and pass very well for his size.

NBA, different role altogether.