Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[sixers hoops]

https://www.rightstorickysanchez.com/the-good-oconnor-mike/070321

Really bizarre article by Mike O'Connor. We're adding three firsts, Maxey and Shake for Beal but getting SGA for Ben straight up. The Kings add a unprotected(!) first round pick with Fox! Wtf is going on

It’s tough to makeup a bunch of accurate trades.

I think the Lillard and Beal trades are prob close to what we would have to give up to be the highest bidder.

Not so sure his value on Fox and Shai is accurate.

I think any trade I look at and think “that would be amazing for us,” is not realistic for the other team.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'd sign for Harris for CJ in a millisecond. To me, the first priority needs to be moving that albatross of a contract and his 'best player on a bad team' type of game. If nothing else is done, that move will have upgraded this roster in a big way.

Starting next season CJ is owed 3/90
Harris is owed 3/111

CJ isn’t cheap at 30 million a year for next 3 seasons either.

All the better, as it makes the trade easier to get done. I'd much rather spend that money on the type of player that can play with Embiid and Simmons, which is exactly what we were hoping Fultz would become. Well, here he is, a guy that's an already proven NBA shot creator and who will spread the floor. A no-brainer.

Yeah, when you put it that way it makes sense. CJ is what Fultz was supposed to be before we prematurely gave up on him. CJ would essentially be replacing Fultz and restarting the initial process plan.

[Ferry Avenue]

Starting next season CJ is owed 3/90
Harris is owed 3/111

CJ isn’t cheap at 30 million a year for next 3 seasons either.

All the better, as it makes the trade easier to get done. I'd much rather spend that money on the type of player that can play with Embiid and Simmons, which is exactly what we were hoping Fultz would become. Well, here he is, a guy that's an already proven NBA shot creator and who will spread the floor. A no-brainer.

Yeah, when you put it that way it makes sense. CJ is what Fultz was supposed to be before we prematurely gave up on him. CJ would essentially be replacing Fultz and restarting the initial process plan.

Right, but it doesn't mean that plan was good. I don't see a good spot anywhere on the court for Simmons the way he's playing right now. Obviously the team would be improved by replacing him with a better PG, but anywhere he's on the court he's going to be exploited in the playoffs. Let some other team suffer those consequences.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

All the better, as it makes the trade easier to get done. I'd much rather spend that money on the type of player that can play with Embiid and Simmons, which is exactly what we were hoping Fultz would become. Well, here he is, a guy that's an already proven NBA shot creator and who will spread the floor. A no-brainer.

Yeah, when you put it that way it makes sense. CJ is what Fultz was supposed to be before we prematurely gave up on him. CJ would essentially be replacing Fultz and restarting the initial process plan.

Right, but it doesn't mean that plan was good. I don't see a good spot anywhere on the court for Simmons the way he's playing right now. Obviously the team would be improved by replacing him with a better PG, but anywhere he's on the court he's going to be exploited in the playoffs. Let some other team suffer those consequences.

Dude, we get it. You want Simmons gone at all costs. You've made that crystal clear on here countless amounts of times. With all due respect, I was talking about CJ McCollum and the role that Fultz was supposed to play for us and how acquiring CJ McCollum would essentially re-create that idea. Personally, I think CJ and Embiid alone would take this team to at the very least....The ECF.

[Ferry Avenue]

Yeah, when you put it that way it makes sense. CJ is what Fultz was supposed to be before we prematurely gave up on him. CJ would essentially be replacing Fultz and restarting the initial process plan.

Right, but it doesn't mean that plan was good. I don't see a good spot anywhere on the court for Simmons the way he's playing right now. Obviously the team would be improved by replacing him with a better PG, but anywhere he's on the court he's going to be exploited in the playoffs. Let some other team suffer those consequences.

Dude, we get it. You want Simmons gone at all costs. You've made that crystal clear on here countless amounts of times. With all due respect, I was talking about CJ McCollum and the role that Fultz was supposed to play for us and how acquiring CJ McCollum would essentially re-create that idea. Personally, I think CJ and Embiid alone would take this team to at the very least....The ECF.

Right, just a comment about how the original plan with Fultz shouldn't be considered a good one right now in light of what we've discovered since then. Revisiting that plan and trying to make good on it with a Fultz replacement doesn't necessarily make Simmons what he was envisioned to be when that plan was conceived.

[ProcessDoctor]

The speculation is gonna kill me all off-season.

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Where you at bruh??

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Right, but it doesn't mean that plan was good. I don't see a good spot anywhere on the court for Simmons the way he's playing right now. Obviously the team would be improved by replacing him with a better PG, but anywhere he's on the court he's going to be exploited in the playoffs. Let some other team suffer those consequences.

Dude, we get it. You want Simmons gone at all costs. You've made that crystal clear on here countless amounts of times. With all due respect, I was talking about CJ McCollum and the role that Fultz was supposed to play for us and how acquiring CJ McCollum would essentially re-create that idea. Personally, I think CJ and Embiid alone would take this team to at the very least....The ECF.

Right, just a comment about how the original plan with Fultz shouldn't be considered a good one right now in light of what we've discovered since then. Revisiting that plan and trying to make good on it with a Fultz replacement doesn't necessarily make Simmons what he was envisioned to be when that plan was conceived.

I get it, but people are acting as if we would be better without Ben Simmons on this roster and that has been proven to be false. We aren't better simply without Ben Simmons. We're significantly worse. Now is all we do this offseason is somehow pull off a Tobias Harris for CJ McCollum trade and Ben remains here in Philly, I won't be upset about it. We've exhausted every avenue except for one such as this, which was...the original plan. Neither Ben or Jo have had the chance to play with a guard as dynamic as CJ McCollum. I'm in no way saying that this would cure Simmons' playoff woes, but if we don't get a fair deal for him, then it's worth a shot imo. Ben sucks in the playoffs. That's on him to change that. Adding McCollum doesn't suddenly do that, but maybe it opens a door that has remained closed.

[mjkvol]

Right, but it doesn't mean that plan was good. I don't see a good spot anywhere on the court for Simmons the way he's playing right now. Obviously the team would be improved by replacing him with a better PG, but anywhere he's on the court he's going to be exploited in the playoffs. Let some other team suffer those consequences.

Listen, if we could turn Simmons into Lillard or Beal, or even SGA tomorrow without sacrificing everything, I'm all in, but those deals are highly unlikely to happen. Tobias for CJ is realistic and helps us immeasurably, and if Simmons did nothing else this off season but become a 65-70% FT shooter and develop a couple of post moves, he becomes a Draymond-esque 'point forward'. More development of Maxey, and Thybulle becomes a passable offensive player, and we've got a title contender.

I get that there are a lot of ifs in that scenario, but by changing nothing but CJ for Tobias, we become better. We've been screaming for a half court shot creator to pair with Embiid, well here he is, and by keeping Simmons our defense doesn't suffer. I can think of worse things.

[Sportfan73]

Right, but it doesn't mean that plan was good. I don't see a good spot anywhere on the court for Simmons the way he's playing right now. Obviously the team would be improved by replacing him with a better PG, but anywhere he's on the court he's going to be exploited in the playoffs. Let some other team suffer those consequences.

Listen, if we could turn Simmons into Lillard or Beal, or even SGA tomorrow without sacrificing everything, I'm all in, but those deals are highly unlikely to happen. Tobias for CJ is realistic and helps us immeasurably, and if Simmons did nothing else this off season but become a 65-70% FT shooter and develop a couple of post moves, he becomes a Draymond-esque 'point forward'. More development of Maxey, and Thybulle becomes a passable offensive player, and we've got a title contender.

I get that there are a lot of ifs in that scenario, but by changing nothing but CJ for Tobias, we become better. We've been screaming for a half court shot creator to pair with Embiid, well here he is, and by keeping Simmons our defense doesn't suffer. I can think of worse things.

We become SO MUCH BETTER swapping Tobias for CJ. Not even because Cj is a better player but we need the ball handling, shot making, pick and roll ability, and most important of all replacing Tobias who won’t take more than 4 3pa per game with CJ who will take 10 at a good clip would do more than wonders for Ben and Jo

[mjkvol]

Right, but it doesn't mean that plan was good. I don't see a good spot anywhere on the court for Simmons the way he's playing right now. Obviously the team would be improved by replacing him with a better PG, but anywhere he's on the court he's going to be exploited in the playoffs. Let some other team suffer those consequences.

Listen, if we could turn Simmons into Lillard or Beal, or even SGA tomorrow without sacrificing everything, I'm all in, but those deals are highly unlikely to happen. Tobias for CJ is realistic and helps us immeasurably, and if Simmons did nothing else this off season but become a 65-70% FT shooter and develop a couple of post moves, he becomes a Draymond-esque 'point forward'. More development of Maxey, and Thybulle becomes a passable offensive player, and we've got a title contender.

I get that there are a lot of ifs in that scenario, but by changing nothing but CJ for Tobias, we become better. We've been screaming for a half court shot creator to pair with Embiid, well here he is, and by keeping Simmons our defense doesn't suffer. I can think of worse things.

We become SO MUCH BETTER swapping Tobias for CJ. Not even because Cj is a better player but we need the ball handling, shot making, pick and roll ability, and most important of all replacing Tobias who won’t take more than 4 3pa per game with CJ who will take 10 at a good clip would do more than wonders for Ben and Jo

The three pointers are icing on the cake to me. The primary gain is finally having a guy who can get his own shot in the half court, the lack of which is what has done us in more than anything else. Tobias is a good guy, but the reality is that he's the classic 'good player on a bad team', filling up the stat sheet but incapable of being 'the guy' when you need him to be. CJ is a perfect second option who can be the go-to guy in big spots. No-brainer.

[Sportfan73]

Listen, if we could turn Simmons into Lillard or Beal, or even SGA tomorrow without sacrificing everything, I'm all in, but those deals are highly unlikely to happen. Tobias for CJ is realistic and helps us immeasurably, and if Simmons did nothing else this off season but become a 65-70% FT shooter and develop a couple of post moves, he becomes a Draymond-esque 'point forward'. More development of Maxey, and Thybulle becomes a passable offensive player, and we've got a title contender.

I get that there are a lot of ifs in that scenario, but by changing nothing but CJ for Tobias, we become better. We've been screaming for a half court shot creator to pair with Embiid, well here he is, and by keeping Simmons our defense doesn't suffer. I can think of worse things.

We become SO MUCH BETTER swapping Tobias for CJ. Not even because Cj is a better player but we need the ball handling, shot making, pick and roll ability, and most important of all replacing Tobias who won’t take more than 4 3pa per game with CJ who will take 10 at a good clip would do more than wonders for Ben and Jo

The three pointers are icing on the cake to me. The primary gain is finally having a guy who can get his own shot in the half court, the lack of which is what has done us in more than anything else. Tobias is a good guy, but the reality is that he's the classic 'good player on a bad team', filling up the stat sheet but incapable of being 'the guy' when you need him to be. CJ is a perfect second option who can be the go-to guy in big spots. No-brainer.

Yeah if you swapped tobi with Middleton or even just their shot selection we’d still be playing.

[blargh]

We become SO MUCH BETTER swapping Tobias for CJ. Not even because Cj is a better player but we need the ball handling, shot making, pick and roll ability, and most important of all replacing Tobias who won’t take more than 4 3pa per game with CJ who will take 10 at a good clip would do more than wonders for Ben and Jo

The three pointers are icing on the cake to me. The primary gain is finally having a guy who can get his own shot in the half court, the lack of which is what has done us in more than anything else. Tobias is a good guy, but the reality is that he's the classic 'good player on a bad team', filling up the stat sheet but incapable of being 'the guy' when you need him to be. CJ is a perfect second option who can be the go-to guy in big spots. No-brainer.

Yeah if you swapped tobi with Middleton or even just their shot selection we’d still be playing.

I think folks are letting the last couple of games cloud the fact that Tobi had a very effective playoffs for us. Compared to both Middleton and McCollum this postseason, he averaged about the same PPG in less minutes and much better efficiency. He flat out won a couple of games for us. I’m not against moving him, but it better be for someone good.

[the_process]

Do Wolves fans know our GM is Daryl Morey?

They’re making all these trades with Rubio, Beasley and protected picks for Ben.

They’re the wolves. A perpetual bottom dwellers in the pecking order of the NBA. They’re the teams that will trade KAT for pat beverly, montrezl Harrell and 3 picks.

Every offseason, every GMs of contenders would ask.. “what are the talents i can steal from these bottom dwellers?”

It's not just the Wolves. The Kings, too. They think they smell blood in the water. Except... Morey don't play that game.

[Black Mage]

Dude, we get it. You want Simmons gone at all costs. You've made that crystal clear on here countless amounts of times. With all due respect, I was talking about CJ McCollum and the role that Fultz was supposed to play for us and how acquiring CJ McCollum would essentially re-create that idea. Personally, I think CJ and Embiid alone would take this team to at the very least....The ECF.

Right, just a comment about how the original plan with Fultz shouldn't be considered a good one right now in light of what we've discovered since then. Revisiting that plan and trying to make good on it with a Fultz replacement doesn't necessarily make Simmons what he was envisioned to be when that plan was conceived.

I get it, but people are acting as if we would be better without Ben Simmons on this roster and that has been proven to be false. We aren't better simply without Ben Simmons. We're significantly worse. Now is all we do this offseason is somehow pull off a Tobias Harris for CJ McCollum trade and Ben remains here in Philly, I won't be upset about it. We've exhausted every avenue except for one such as this, which was...the original plan. Neither Ben or Jo have had the chance to play with a guard as dynamic as CJ McCollum. I'm in no way saying that this would cure Simmons' playoff woes, but if we don't get a fair deal for him, then it's worth a shot imo. Ben sucks in the playoffs. That's on him to change that. Adding McCollum doesn't suddenly do that, but maybe it opens a door that has remained closed.

I'm sorry. We're you blind for the last few years? Ben doesn't know what to do, has no purpose and no coach has figured out a role for a guy who refuses to shoot the ball.

Every 4th quarter when you took the ball out of Ben's hands he either stands in the corner where teams know he wont shoot so theh sag off. He goes to dunker spot and doesn't even look to make himself available for the ball, or he stands at the elbow watching the game play out.

You can't say we are worse without Ben when we have NEVER had another true starting caliber PG on the roster. The reason we haven't was also bc Ben got bent out of shape if he wasn't the defacto PG. It's why we passed on Fox and Shai. Team was always looking for off ball.

[Black Mage]

The three pointers are icing on the cake to me. The primary gain is finally having a guy who can get his own shot in the half court, the lack of which is what has done us in more than anything else. Tobias is a good guy, but the reality is that he's the classic 'good player on a bad team', filling up the stat sheet but incapable of being 'the guy' when you need him to be. CJ is a perfect second option who can be the go-to guy in big spots. No-brainer.

Yeah if you swapped tobi with Middleton or even just their shot selection we’d still be playing.

I think folks are letting the last couple of games cloud the fact that Tobi had a very effective playoffs for us. Compared to both Middleton and McCollum this postseason, he averaged about the same PPG in less minutes and much better efficiency. He flat out won a couple of games for us. I’m not against moving him, but it better be for someone good.

If Tobias fetched Wiggins, 7 and maybe 14 and then that gave you the pick ammo with Ben to blow Portland away fro Dame I take Wiggins back in a heartbeat, even if he is worse.

If Tobias and a pick landed you Love and 3rd pick I'd consider it too.

[SixthStreet]

Tobias' production shouldn't be viewed in a vacuum, even though it is mostly of the empty calorie variety anyways (not enough 3 volume and no free throws). He flat out makes our two best players worse on the offensive end of the court.

[Sportfan73]

The three pointers are icing on the cake to me. The primary gain is finally having a guy who can get his own shot in the half court, the lack of which is what has done us in more than anything else. Tobias is a good guy, but the reality is that he's the classic 'good player on a bad team', filling up the stat sheet but incapable of being 'the guy' when you need him to be. CJ is a perfect second option who can be the go-to guy in big spots. No-brainer.

Yeah if you swapped tobi with Middleton or even just their shot selection we’d still be playing.

I think folks are letting the last couple of games cloud the fact that Tobi had a very effective playoffs for us. Compared to both Middleton and McCollum this postseason, he averaged about the same PPG in less minutes and much better efficiency. He flat out won a couple of games for us. I’m not against moving him, but it better be for someone good.

You are very very very offbase on this

[Sportfan73]

Tobias' production shouldn't be viewed in a vacuum, even though it is mostly of the empty calorie variety anyways (not enough 3 volume and no free throws). He flat out makes our two best players worse on the offensive end of the court.

This is the right answer

[mjkvol]

Yeah if you swapped tobi with Middleton or even just their shot selection we’d still be playing.

I think folks are letting the last couple of games cloud the fact that Tobi had a very effective playoffs for us. Compared to both Middleton and McCollum this postseason, he averaged about the same PPG in less minutes and much better efficiency. He flat out won a couple of games for us. I’m not against moving him, but it better be for someone good.

If Tobias fetched Wiggins, 7 and maybe 14 and then that gave you the pick ammo with Ben to blow Portland away fro Dame I take Wiggins back in a heartbeat, even if he is worse.

If Tobias and a pick landed you Love and 3rd pick I'd consider it too.

I'd do that trade in a second. Then try to get Detroit to take Ben and #3 for Cunningham.

[Stanford]

If Tobias and a pick landed you Love and 3rd pick I'd consider it too.

I would do more than consider it...