Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[King Malta]

I feel a little bad for Sixers fans. I see no way they can’t trade Simmons now, when his value is at its lowest. He was a good soldier when they offered him for Harden, but he can’t be happy after Embiid threw him under the bus, and Doc didn’t defend him. PHI fans and media are harsh, and he has it coming after his performance in the playoffs. The fact that opponents can target Simmons, especially in the playoffs, will deter even more buyers. Even before the playoffs, the Rockets already showed his value isn’t as high as PHI fans want. Simmons is only going to reclaim his value if he fixes his self-confidence and improves his shooting, but it’s unlikely to happen in PHI, so the fans aren’t going to get what they want for him.

I think the basis for a deal if what moonpie proposed. Simmons goes out for the best package the team can get, some of the assets go to TOR for Lowry, and Lowry goes home to PHI. If that team is MIN, I think it’s Beasley, Rubio and a 1st, and Rubio and a 1st (or the PHI 1st) go to TOR, which saves the day for TOR who didn’t trade him. Rubio’s expiring and a 1st is better than losing Lowry for nothing, and maintains salary for future trades as an over-the-cap team. Lowry would fit well with Beasley or Curry 2.0.

I understand last summer, PHI wanting to see one more time if an emerging Embiid and Simmons could win it all, but they were never a fit. I think if PHI had traded Simmons last season, they would have gotten a much much better trade return.

They could finish 0-82 for 25 straight years and I wouldn't feel bad for them

[Nick K]

I feel a little bad for Sixers fans. I see no way they can’t trade Simmons now, when his value is at its lowest. He was a good soldier when they offered him for Harden, but he can’t be happy after Embiid threw him under the bus, and Doc didn’t defend him. PHI fans and media are harsh, and he has it coming after his performance in the playoffs. The fact that opponents can target Simmons, especially in the playoffs, will deter even more buyers. Even before the playoffs, the Rockets already showed his value isn’t as high as PHI fans want. Simmons is only going to reclaim his value if he fixes his self-confidence and improves his shooting, but it’s unlikely to happen in PHI, so the fans aren’t going to get what they want for him.

I think the basis for a deal if what moonpie proposed. Simmons goes out for the best package the team can get, some of the assets go to TOR for Lowry, and Lowry goes home to PHI. If that team is MIN, I think it’s Beasley, Rubio and a 1st, and Rubio and a 1st (or the PHI 1st) go to TOR, which saves the day for TOR who didn’t trade him. Rubio’s expiring and a 1st is better than losing Lowry for nothing, and maintains salary for future trades as an over-the-cap team. Lowry would fit well with Beasley or Curry 2.0.

I understand last summer, PHI wanting to see one more time if an emerging Embiid and Simmons could win it all, but they were never a fit. I think if PHI had traded Simmons last season, they would have gotten a much much better trade return.

They could finish 0-82 for 25 straight years and I wouldn't feel bad for them

Bravo. Touche' !

[IceManBK1]

guys..if we get Simmons..he's gonna have to stop playing PG on offense. He can still guard opposing guards, whoever the best player on the other team is. I mean he can bring the ball up the court once in a while and do some dribble hand offs and drive and kick. We already have Dlo and Edwards and even Towns who can bring the ball upcourt. Ben Simmons will have to set a lot of picks and rolls. Attack from the side of the perimeter when other guys find him. Gonna need alot of cutting from him. And be ready to grab alot of off rebs and collect garbage baskets. I think we'll get alot of fast break opportunities since he'll make alot of steals and be able to create and attack in transition.

[jpatrick]

guys..if we get Simmons..he's gonna have to stop playing PG on offense. He can still guard opposing guards, whoever the best player on the other team is. I mean he can bring the ball up the court once in a while and do some dribble hand offs and drive and kick. We already have Dlo and Edwards and even Towns who can bring the ball upcourt. Ben Simmons will have to set a lot of picks and rolls. Attack from the side of the perimeter when other guys find him. Gonna need alot of cutting from him. And be ready to grab alot of off rebs and collect garbage baskets. I think we'll get alot of fast break opportunities since he'll make alot of steals and be able to create and attack in transition.

I think whoever he plays for next year, including Philly, he’s a PF that can guard multiple positions. He just doesn’t have the half court creation ability to play PG.

He really has to embrace the Draymond Green type role in the half court.

[minimus]

guys..if we get Simmons..he's gonna have to stop playing PG on offense. He can still guard opposing guards, whoever the best player on the other team is. I mean he can bring the ball up the court once in a while and do some dribble hand offs and drive and kick. We already have Dlo and Edwards and even Towns who can bring the ball upcourt. Ben Simmons will have to set a lot of picks and rolls. Attack from the side of the perimeter when other guys find him. Gonna need alot of cutting from him. And be ready to grab alot of off rebs and collect garbage baskets. I think we'll get alot of fast break opportunities since he'll make alot of steals and be able to create and attack in transition.

I think whoever he plays for next year, including Philly, he’s a PF that can guard multiple positions. He just doesn’t have the half court creation ability to play PG.

He really has to embrace the Draymond Green type role in the half court.

A modern offense should be able to use as a benefit multiple ballhandlers. KAT can play as a hub in halfcourt offense. DLo is excellent at finding cutters. Edwards has been growing as drive-and-kick passer. I see Simons as short roll passers, rim runner and absolutely unstoppable in fastbreaks. I am not concerned about Simmons shooting, as we have DLo, Edwards and KAT to shoot. As long as Simmons stays active in defense AND offense, he will get high percentage shots at rim. If he can simply catch the ball in traffic, finish lobs he will get 8-10 shots per game. If he can average 12ppg, 8rpg, 5apg while playing elite defense, his impact would get us in playoffs.

[IceManBK1]

guys..if we get Simmons..he's gonna have to stop playing PG on offense. He can still guard opposing guards, whoever the best player on the other team is. I mean he can bring the ball up the court once in a while and do some dribble hand offs and drive and kick. We already have Dlo and Edwards and even Towns who can bring the ball upcourt. Ben Simmons will have to set a lot of picks and rolls. Attack from the side of the perimeter when other guys find him. Gonna need alot of cutting from him. And be ready to grab alot of off rebs and collect garbage baskets. I think we'll get alot of fast break opportunities since he'll make alot of steals and be able to create and attack in transition.

I think whoever he plays for next year, including Philly, he’s a PF that can guard multiple positions. He just doesn’t have the half court creation ability to play PG.

He really has to embrace the Draymond Green type role in the half court.

A modern offense should be able to use as a benefit multiple ballhandlers. KAT can play as a hub in halfcourt offense. DLo is excellent at finding cutters. Edwards has been growing as drive-and-kick passer. I see Simons as short roll passers, rim runner and absolutely unstoppable in fastbreaks. I am not concerned about Simmons shooting, as we have DLo, Edwards and KAT to shoot. As long as Simmons stays active in defense AND offense, he will get high percentage shots at rim. If he can simply catch the ball in traffic, finish lobs he will get 8-10 shots per game. If he can average 12ppg, 8rpg, 5apg while playing elite defense, his impact would get us in playoffs.

Simmons has a post fade away shot.. Imagine him posting up with dlo, towns, Edwards and McDaniels spotting up.

[IceManBK1]

If Kings offer Marvin Bagley III+Harrison Barnes for Beasley, Rubio, and McDaniels..Do we hang up the phone? McDaniels is good, but Barnes is on another level. And we get a legit starting pf in Bagley.

Dlo
Edwards
Barnes
Bagley III
Towns

I can see this team making it to the 2nd rd of the playoffs.

[IceManBK1]

Maybe Rosas can work some magic and trade Rubio+Huancho for Larry Nance Jr. and Taurean Prince from the Cavs.
Dlo
Edwards
Prince
Nance
Towns

Still have Beasley as 6th man off bench:)

[Norseman79]

If Kings offer Marvin Bagley III+Harrison Barnes for Beasley, Rubio, and McDaniels..Do we hang up the phone? McDaniels is good, but Barnes is on another level. And we get a legit starting pf in Bagley.

Dlo
Edwards
Barnes
Bagley III
Towns

I can see this team making it to the 2nd rd of the playoffs.

Honestly, I may be overvaluing McDaniels, but I say no to that trade. Rubio and Beasley for Barnes and Bagley I may listen...not sure Bagley offers enough at the four to overcome his weaknesses in a pairing with towns

[Nick K]

guys..if we get Simmons..he's gonna have to stop playing PG on offense. He can still guard opposing guards, whoever the best player on the other team is. I mean he can bring the ball up the court once in a while and do some dribble hand offs and drive and kick. We already have Dlo and Edwards and even Towns who can bring the ball upcourt. Ben Simmons will have to set a lot of picks and rolls. Attack from the side of the perimeter when other guys find him. Gonna need alot of cutting from him. And be ready to grab alot of off rebs and collect garbage baskets. I think we'll get alot of fast break opportunities since he'll make alot of steals and be able to create and attack in transition.

That's right. Plus he has to block shots and block out to rebound like a demon. Can he play tough inside? I don't know if he can but he absolutely has to. Can he effectively defend the rim inside? Can he get the put-backs inside? If he can then I'm all in in getting him.

I love the idea of spreading out the floor and letting him drive to the basket. Ant and Kat can as well.

We'll be paying 34 million a year for 4 more years for a guy who can't shoot. That sounds like insanity to me so he has to do the other things at a very, very high level. Can he? I'm not convinced..... but I'd like to be.

[Nick K]

If Kings offer Marvin Bagley III+Harrison Barnes for Beasley, Rubio, and McDaniels..Do we hang up the phone? McDaniels is good, but Barnes is on another level. And we get a legit starting pf in Bagley.

Dlo
Edwards
Barnes
Bagley III
Towns

I can see this team making it to the 2nd rd of the playoffs.

McD is untouchable in my book. McD is just getting started and is already a far better defender than Barnes and his offensive game is ready to break out.

Barnes is a defensive sieve and his offensive game is more developed but he's been in the league for years. Bagley's defense is even worse than Barnes. I think McD is our SF of the future.

That said it looks like a good idea on the surface because there are some things I really like about Bagley.

I really don't see why Sac wants Rubio or Beasley when they have Hield, Fox and Haliburton.

[shrink]

I feel a little bad for Sixers fans. I see no way they can’t trade Simmons now, when his value is at its lowest. He was a good soldier when they offered him for Harden, but he can’t be happy after Embiid threw him under the bus, and Doc didn’t defend him. PHI fans and media are harsh, and he has it coming after his performance in the playoffs. The fact that opponents can target Simmons, especially in the playoffs, will deter even more buyers. Even before the playoffs, the Rockets already showed his value isn’t as high as PHI fans want. Simmons is only going to reclaim his value if he fixes his self-confidence and improves his shooting, but it’s unlikely to happen in PHI, so the fans aren’t going to get what they want for him.

I think the basis for a deal if what moonpie proposed. Simmons goes out for the best package the team can get, some of the assets go to TOR for Lowry, and Lowry goes home to PHI. If that team is MIN, I think it’s Beasley, Rubio and a 1st, and Rubio and a 1st (or the PHI 1st) go to TOR, which saves the day for TOR who didn’t trade him. Rubio’s expiring and a 1st is better than losing Lowry for nothing, and maintains salary for future trades as an over-the-cap team. Lowry would fit well with Beasley or Curry 2.0.

I understand last summer, PHI wanting to see one more time if an emerging Embiid and Simmons could win it all, but they were never a fit. I think if PHI had traded Simmons last season, they would have gotten a much much better trade return.

They could finish 0-82 for 25 straight years and I wouldn't feel bad for them

I just read through the Sixers’ Simmons thread, and some of those guys are simply insulting.

I don’t have any sympathy for them at all any more.

[Merc_Porto]

When i read this thread i realize how delusional this fanbase is. I usted to be like that as well. But, oh boy...

"Untouchable players"...
"I never felt so confident about our future in years"

Wtf, lol

[Slim Tubby]

When i read this thread i realize how delusional this fanbase is. I usted to be like that as well. But, oh boy...

"Untouchable players"...
"I never felt so confident about our future in years"

Wtf, lol

Please feel free to post your trade thoughts rather than insulting the fanbase. Otherwise, find another board to flame and troll...you won't be missed.

[Merc_Porto]

When i read this thread i realize how delusional this fanbase is. I usted to be like that as well. But, oh boy...

"Untouchable players"...
"I never felt so confident about our future in years"

Wtf, lol

Please feel free to post your trade thoughts rather than insulting the fanbase. Otherwise, find another board to flame and troll...you won't be missed.

So sweet! Thank you

[Slim Tubby]

When i read this thread i realize how delusional this fanbase is. I usted to be like that as well. But, oh boy...

"Untouchable players"...
"I never felt so confident about our future in years"

Wtf, lol

Please feel free to post your trade thoughts rather than insulting the fanbase. Otherwise, find another board to flame and troll...you won't be missed.

So sweet! Thank you

I'm sorry...were you still talking?

[shrink]

When i read this thread i realize how delusional this fanbase is. I usted to be like that as well. But, oh boy...

"Untouchable players"...
"I never felt so confident about our future in years"

Wtf, lol

I am going to respond in the off chance you aren’t just trolling, though this seems to be the case.

Part of the disconnect here is that posters use the same words that have different personal meanings to them. For some people, “star” means a top 10 player, for others it means a top 40 player (like Zach LaVine is CHI’s star). I am not a fan of your use of the word “delusional.” And “untouchable,” is a word that gets thrown around a lot, and has different meanings to different people. To you, it may mean, “I wouldn’t trade our player for Luka Doncic!” and to others, it means they are functionally untouchable, meaning they wouldn’t get traded unless it was for an incredible overpay, which isn’t going to happen. I use the cumbersome term, “worth more to us than you,” and we have several players that probably fit that Rosas’ feels fit description, including KAT, DLo, Ant, Jaden, and Naz. These players have specific value locally because of marketing, fan interest, etc. it isn’t always about being a great player - Rosas may value Jaden and Naz more because they make him look like a smart drafter.

As for “I haven’t felt as confident in years,” take a look where we are. Many Wolves fans felt we were stuck on a losing treadmill with Wiggins. He’s finally off the team, and in the last few months, when the team got healthy, they actually started to play competitive basketball. Many felt we were on a losing treadmill if Towns didn’t improve defensively, and he is much better on that end this season. And MIN had the youngest team in the NBA, and we should expect to see growth from many players, and we are already seeing big leaps by McDaniels and Ant in their first year. I have no problem with people having this feeling.

It would have been better for you to respond to a post you disagree with, rather than make a blanket indictment about all Wolves fans. But if you really are here for the discussion, you are welcome to respond to my post respectfully.

[IceManBK1]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/07/05/nba-rumors-new-orleans-pelicans-minnesota-timberwolves-trade-brandon-ingram/2/

i'd trade Beasley, Rubio and two 1st rders for Ingram alone easily..don't want Bledsoe though.

[shrink]

:lol: https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/07/05/nba-rumors-new-orleans-pelicans-minnesota-timberwolves-trade-brandon-ingram/2/

i'd trade Beasley, Rubio and two 1st rders for Ingram alone easily..don't want Bledsoe though.

I dismiss this site completely, after they based their fake trades on how the Towns-DLo pairing “hadn’t worked” .. in January, when the two had only played four games together.

Ironic they call themselves “nba analysis.”

[Merc_Porto]

When i read this thread i realize how delusional this fanbase is. I usted to be like that as well. But, oh boy...

"Untouchable players"...
"I never felt so confident about our future in years"

Wtf, lol

I am going to respond in the off chance you aren’t just trolling, though this seems to be the case.

Part of the disconnect here is that posters use the same words that have different personal meanings to them. For some people, “star” means a top 10 player, for others it means a top 40 player (like Zach LaVine is CHI’s star). I am not a fan of your use of the word “delusional.” And “untouchable,” is a word that gets thrown around a lot, and has different meanings to different people. To you, it may mean, “I wouldn’t trade our player for Luka Doncic!” and to others, it means they are functionally untouchable, meaning they wouldn’t get traded unless it was for an incredible overpay, which isn’t going to happen. I use the cumbersome term, “worth more to us than you,” and we have several players that probably fit that Rosas’ feels fit description, including KAT, DLo, Ant, Jaden, and Naz. These players have specific value locally because of marketing, fan interest, etc. it isn’t always about being a great player - Rosas may value Jaden and Naz more because they make him look like a smart drafter.

As for “I haven’t felt as confident in years,” take a look where we are. Many Wolves fans felt we were stuck on a losing treadmill with Wiggins. He’s finally off the team, and in the last few months, when the team got healthy, they actually started to play competitive basketball. Many felt we were on a losing treadmill if Towns didn’t improve defensively, and he is much better on that end this season. And MIN had the youngest team in the NBA, and we should expect to see growth from many players, and we are already seeing big leaps by McDaniels and Ant in their first year. I have no problem with people having this feeling.

It would have been better for you to respond to a post you disagree with, rather than make a blanket indictment about all Wolves fans. But if you really are here for the discussion, you are welcome to respond to my post respectfully.

What Do You Want Me To Say?
I was very clear, if you don't like it then it's your problem, wasn't at all a trolling attempt. Is delusional most of the takes i've been seeing lately here when we have such a mediocre roster. Being young doesn't mean anything if the pieces are not that great.

As for “I haven’t felt as confident in years,” is crazy to say something like that. I hear the same thing pretty much since 2011 or so.

But to say something like that in this year in specific without a draft pick, without cap flexibility, with players like Dlo earning close to a max contract. I mean...

But whatever. Time will tell as always...
I rest my case.