NBA Finals: (2) Suns vs (3) Bucks, Part 1 | Suns lead 2-0

IamBBAnalysis · Post #121 » by **IamBBAnalysis** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 5:44 pm

OmniStrife wrote:
Tomjas wrote:Bucks have looked pretty good without Giannis

It’s going to be a competitive series as the Bucks defence is much better than any team the Suns have faced

Clippers D is just as good imo even wo kawhi

How good is the Bucks' D? I didn't study it all that well in the playoffs. Its clearly good but the Clippers were impressive with their "smarts". Playoff D is all about smarts, coaching, and energy to me.

Caped Crusader · Post #122 » by **Caped Crusader** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 5:47 pm

Antinomy wrote:Are we sure Ayton is better than Lopez?

Because if we’re being honest, if Giannis plays at anywhere near 100%, the Bucks should take this.

The Bucks have dealt with a dominant iso scorer in Durant & a great PnR guard in Young throughout their run. Devin Booker & CP3 aren’t going to scare them.

Depth won’t matter much but is the Suns bench really all that good? Portis is better than everybody on either bench.

Cam Johnson is a really good shooter but the Bucks have locked up those type of guys all playoffs. Robinson, Harris & Bogdanovic all struggled mightily against them.

I just think if both teams are fully healthy & the Bucks don’t play stupidly, it’s their series to lose.

Well that's the knock on the Bucks. It's that they don't always play to their strengths. As for locking up shooters, pretty sure the struggles of Joe Harris had nothing to do with the Bucks defense.

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Lakers LeBron · Post #123 » by **Lakers LeBron** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 5:49 pm

West is better than East. Big markets are better than small markets. I see my Suns wrapping this up in 5 and no one going to the parade because it's too damn hot.

pj0tr · Post #124 » by **pj0tr** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 5:51 pm

Antinomy wrote:Are we sure Ayton is better than Lopez?

Because if we’re being honest, if Giannis plays at anywhere near 100%, the Bucks should take this.

The Bucks have dealt with a dominant iso scorer in Durant & a great PnR guard in Young throughout their run. Devin Booker & CP3 aren’t going to scare them.

Depth won’t matter much but is the Suns bench really all that good? Portis is better than everybody on either bench.

Cam Johnson is a really good shooter but the Bucks have locked up those type of guys all playoffs. Robinson, Harris & Bogdanovic all struggled mightily against them.

I just think if both teams are fully healthy & the Bucks don’t play stupidly, it’s their series to lose.

I see someone hasn't watched the Suns play at all.

pj0tr · Post #125 » by **pj0tr** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 5:54 pm

IamBBAnalysis wrote:
OmniStrife wrote:
Tomjas wrote:Bucks have looked pretty good without Giannis

It’s going to be a competitive series as the Bucks defence is much better than any team the Suns have faced

Clippers D is just as good imo even wo kawhi

How good is the Bucks' D? I didn't study it all that well in the playoffs. Its clearly good but the Clippers were impressive with their "smarts". Playoff D is all about smarts, coaching, and energy to me.

Suns went through the Lakers, which had the #1 defensive rating in the entire NBA. Clippers were also a very good defensive team.

Its not like the Bucks are throwing the Suns anything they haven't seen lol.

Hsker4Life · Post #126 » by **Hsker4Life** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 6:06 pm

EArl wrote:
Hsker4Life wrote:In two games against PHX this year, Brook Lopez has:

7 pts and 5 reb
10 pts and 6 reb

He isn’t going to punish the Suns downlow.

Using the regular season as an example for a final series isn't a good indication of how the series will result in.

I’m using more than just that. I’m considering matchup as well as Brook’s offensive career and DA’s defensive history. Brook is not going to punish PHX downlow.

Do you disagree?

Rob Diaz · Post #127 » by **Rob Diaz** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 7:18 pm

pj0tr wrote:
IamBBAnalysis wrote:
OmniStrife wrote:Clippers D is just as good imo even wo kawhi

How good is the Bucks' D? I didn't study it all that well in the playoffs. Its clearly good but the Clippers were impressive with their "smarts". Playoff D is all about smarts, coaching, and energy to me.

Suns went through the Lakers, which had the #1 defensive rating in the entire NBA. Clippers were also a very good defensive team.

Its not like the Bucks are throwing the Suns anything they haven't seen lol.

The Lakers without Anthony Davis and the Clippers without Kawhi*

Just make sure to include that when you discuss Phoenix’s wins.

BigO · Post #128 » by **BigO** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 7:56 pm

In my view, this series comes down to two variables, so if you give me the answers, I'll tell you who wins:

1) Giannis's health-assuming he's at 50% or less, big lean toward Suns. Suns aren't the Hawks.

2) What Bucks coach does.

If he starts out like he has all three series, with the drop defense, then Phoenix automatically wins game 1, no matter what Giannis's condition is. Bud is a classic passive coach. He hates fouling and giving up fast breaks, which is fine, but it has led to the 26th rated most passive defense in the NBA.

That changed during these playoffs because the players demanded it (Tucker and a few others). They have been playing more aggressively. On offense, will they let Holiday initiate the offense or does it mainly go thru Giannis?

Tell me what Bud will do.

NBA Sheady · Post #129 » by **NBA Sheady** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 8:12 pm

Almost need two polls. 1 w/Giannis and 1 without.

With: Suns in 7
Without: Suns in 6 (Bucks will have a few huge games from Middleton)

radeonboy · Post #130 » by **radeonboy** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 8:24 pm

Suns winning the chip

rilamann · Post #131 » by **rilamann** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 8:25 pm

I'd be a lot more nervous if the Suns cakewalked against teams playing without their superstars. But they didn't.

pj0tr · Post #132 » by **pj0tr** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 8:29 pm

Rob Diaz wrote:
pj0tr wrote:
IamBBAnalysis wrote:
How good is the Bucks' D? I didn't study it all that well in the playoffs. Its clearly good but the Clippers were impressive with their "smarts". Playoff D is all about smarts, coaching, and energy to me.

Suns went through the Lakers, which had the #1 defensive rating in the entire NBA. Clippers were also a very good defensive team.

Its not like the Bucks are throwing the Suns anything they haven't seen lol.

The Lakers without Anthony Davis and the Clippers without Kawhi*

Just make sure to include that when you discuss Phoenix’s wins.

The Lakers were without Anthony Davis for 2 months in the regular season and still ended up as the #1 team in defensive efficiency.

You wanna keep going?

pj0tr · Post #133 » by **pj0tr** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 8:30 pm

rilamann wrote:I'd be a lot more nervous if the Suns cakewalked against teams playing without their superstars. But they didn't.

I'd be a lot more nervous if the Bucks cakewalked against teams playing without their superstars. But they didn't.

radeonboy · Post #134 » by **radeonboy** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 8:30 pm

What a story it would be to have the Suns win the championship in their first playoff appearance since 2010.

Whoever bet on the Suns winning the championship to start the NBA season is gonna get paid bigly with the odds.

gorz · Post #135 » by **gorz** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 8:33 pm

Suns in 6. They are the best team in the NBA this season. I can't see them losing this series especially with Giannis being out and even if he comes back he won't be at 100%.

KIRAG · Post #136 » by **KIRAG** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 8:47 pm

Imagine if the Bucks wins the Championship, then all 3 Antetokounmpo brothers in the NBA will have their rings in two consecutive years. Has that happened before in the history of the NBA?

mtron32 · Post #137 » by **mtron32** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 8:47 pm

Bucks in 7

OmniStrife · Post #138 » by **OmniStrife** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 8:56 pm

Where is this notion that healthy Bucks > healthy Suns coming from?? There's nothing that points to it. Suns were clearly better all year, playoffs included.

falcolombardi · Post #139 » by **falcolombardi** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 9:00 pm

pj0tr wrote:
IamBBAnalysis wrote:
OmniStrife wrote:Clippers D is just as good imo even wo kawhi

How good is the Bucks' D? I didn't study it all that well in the playoffs. Its clearly good but the Clippers were impressive with their "smarts". Playoff D is all about smarts, coaching, and energy to me.

Suns went through the Lakers, which had the #1 defensive rating in the entire NBA. Clippers were also a very good defensive team.

Its not like the Bucks are throwing the Suns anything they haven't seen lol.

well, clippers defense was only a tad better than average in regular season, then it got worse in the playoffs (and small sample being considered, actually improved without kawhi oddly enough) the. Clippers reputation in defense far outdoes their actual results

lakers were a elite defense, best in the league, but they didnt play that series at anythingh close to full health

bucks are the best playoffs defense this year adjusted to opponent so they seem to be a better defensive team that the injured lakers were (clippers not even belonging in the conversation, it was their offense that carried them)

OmniStrife · Post #140 » by **OmniStrife** » Sun Jul 4, 2021 9:02 pm

rilamann wrote:I'd be a lot more nervous if the Suns cakewalked against teams playing without their superstars. But they didn't.

Wow, it's as if those teams did not have the reigning MVP, LeBron **** James and the Clippers who came back vs a healthy Mavs and the team with the best record in the league... Stop talking out of your ass.

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