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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1161 » by Shak_Celts » Mon Jul 5, 2021 1:59 am

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Shak_Celts wrote:This thread isn't about Rob but he has been mentioned a few times... why have we never let Rob shoot? CBS usually lets everybody and their mother shoot, but he never let TT or Rob shoot. While TT isn't all that, he had done good enough to at least ATTEMPT to stretch the floor. Rob may not be good, but we never even allowed him to test it in-game. How do we know he can't do it? He has really good touch IMO, but he doesn't get many shots to get a feel for it. The last two seasons CBS hasn't had multiple shooters at the big position (grant barely counts), but he also didn't let them shoot. TT could have given us 33-35% which is just good enough to keep people honest. Thing the Jays could have used last season.

Really last season was the only season CBS seemed to hold players back. He use to play with lineups all the time and that was when we were fully healthy, last season he toyed with the young guys PT and he didn't let his bigs shoot.

IDK, this is about the draft, I hope that IF we are keeping so many of these kids again we at least let them play instead of wasting spots and opportunities vets could take. Let the kids play and let the bigs shoot. Good luck Ime!


Rob is so good at vertical spacing I would hate to see Rob floating on the 3 point line. His mid-range and offensive rebounds are what we need. That and staying healthy.



I feel you but a 3 or 2 a game wont hurt.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1162 » by Shak_Celts » Mon Jul 5, 2021 2:27 am

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Shak_Celts wrote:This thread isn't about Rob but he has been mentioned a few times... why have we never let Rob shoot? CBS usually lets everybody and their mother shoot, but he never let TT or Rob shoot. While TT isn't all that, he had done good enough to at least ATTEMPT to stretch the floor. Rob may not be good, but we never even allowed him to test it in-game. How do we know he can't do it? He has really good touch IMO, but he doesn't get many shots to get a feel for it. The last two seasons CBS hasn't had multiple shooters at the big position (grant barely counts), but he also didn't let them shoot. TT could have given us 33-35% which is just good enough to keep people honest. Thing the Jays could have used last season.

Really last season was the only season CBS seemed to hold players back. He use to play with lineups all the time and that was when we were fully healthy, last season he toyed with the young guys PT and he didn't let his bigs shoot.

IDK, this is about the draft, I hope that IF we are keeping so many of these kids again we at least let them play instead of wasting spots and opportunities vets could take. Let the kids play and let the bigs shoot. Good luck Ime!


I think we don't know as you said... but the coaches know what he can and can't do from practice with the team and one on one workouts. I have to think if he showed the ability to stroke it from deep Steven's would give him the green light to shoot.

I do think he has a pretty good stroke though and could benefit from adding some foul line range jumpers into his regular arsenal. He shoots them every once in a while and looks pretty good doing so. His injury concerns are well documented but theres still so much upside there. His passing, athleticism, and timing... all things that can't really be taught... are great, his court awareness and shooting still have a lot of room to grow, but should with reps.


Let's just say he can't shoot the 3, he looks like he has a mid-range shot but doesn't take them enough. Imagine being hard to stop on the lob but also having other shots in your arsenal. Why stop at being Capella when you may have AD-lite in you? Rob isn't always in the paint, he spends a lot of time setting screens and initiating offense on the perimeter, who is stopping him if he can hit the 3? How do you stop that? That would give the Jays and Smart (guards) so much room.

Again, they didn't let TT shoot either and he has proven in actual games that he can at least be a solid shooter in relation to big men. Maybe they need to focus on more than practice, some people shine when the lights come on.

It may be too late to start now, but I really think Rob has a lot of untapped offensive potential. Yes, I realize health is the major issue atm. I just feel we have been looking for things in these draft threads from bigs that we aren't giving rob a shot at.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1163 » by Hal14 » Mon Jul 5, 2021 5:26 am

I must be a geek. but i'm intrigued by this aldama guy so I'm watching this:

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Post#1164 » by winsomme2 » Mon Jul 5, 2021 12:20 pm

Prospects that seem like the exact same guy to me.

Herb Jones
Aaron Henry
(athletic defensive minded wings with limited offense)


Isaiah Livers
Julian Champagnie
(hard nosed wings with average physical skills but can shoot from three and have above average offense)

Pretty sure all four will be on the board at 45. I know Jones and Henry have been higher in mocks but I think their limited offense is going to drop them down.

All 4 I think are intriguing prospects at 45.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1165 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 5, 2021 12:35 pm

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Shak_Celts wrote:This thread isn't about Rob but he has been mentioned a few times... why have we never let Rob shoot? CBS usually lets everybody and their mother shoot, but he never let TT or Rob shoot. While TT isn't all that, he had done good enough to at least ATTEMPT to stretch the floor. Rob may not be good, but we never even allowed him to test it in-game. How do we know he can't do it? He has really good touch IMO, but he doesn't get many shots to get a feel for it. The last two seasons CBS hasn't had multiple shooters at the big position (grant barely counts), but he also didn't let them shoot. TT could have given us 33-35% which is just good enough to keep people honest. Thing the Jays could have used last season.

Really last season was the only season CBS seemed to hold players back. He use to play with lineups all the time and that was when we were fully healthy, last season he toyed with the young guys PT and he didn't let his bigs shoot.

IDK, this is about the draft, I hope that IF we are keeping so many of these kids again we at least let them play instead of wasting spots and opportunities vets could take. Let the kids play and let the bigs shoot. Good luck Ime!


I think we don't know as you said... but the coaches know what he can and can't do from practice with the team and one on one workouts. I have to think if he showed the ability to stroke it from deep Steven's would give him the green light to shoot.

I do think he has a pretty good stroke though and could benefit from adding some foul line range jumpers into his regular arsenal. He shoots them every once in a while and looks pretty good doing so. His injury concerns are well documented but theres still so much upside there. His passing, athleticism, and timing... all things that can't really be taught... are great, his court awareness and shooting still have a lot of room to grow, but should with reps.


Let's just say he can't shoot the 3, he looks like he has a mid-range shot but doesn't take them enough. Imagine being hard to stop on the lob but also having other shots in your arsenal. Why stop at being Capella when you may have AD-lite in you? Rob isn't always in the paint, he spends a lot of time setting screens and initiating offense on the perimeter, who is stopping him if he can hit the 3? How do you stop that? That would give the Jays and Smart (guards) so much room.

Again, they didn't let TT shoot either and he has proven in actual games that he can at least be a solid shooter in relation to big men. Maybe they need to focus on more than practice, some people shine when the lights come on.

It may be too late to start now, but I really think Rob has a lot of untapped offensive potential. Yes, I realize health is the major issue atm. I just feel we have been looking for things in these draft threads from bigs that we aren't giving rob a shot at.


Small samples, but still Rob has shot a career .600 and .632 from 3-10' and 10-16', respectively (last year was at .651 and .643). That's actually higher than his .623 on FTs (including .616 last season). My guess is that being on a short choke chain with Brad and still sometimes nervous in games when he has the time to think about shooting have contributed to him being something of an anti-Marcus on O. But he's at least solid in the midrange and will only extend that as he continues to get more comfortable and develop further. He's also the consummate team player, of course.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1166 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Jul 5, 2021 1:38 pm

When you are picking in the middle of the second round in a relatively flat draft, the two most important considerations should be:
1. Is the player really good at one thing (e.g. shooting, rebounding or defense). If yes he's a better pick.
2. Does the player have a real desire to succeed, to put in the work? If yes, he's a better pick.

In some ways mental makeup is more important than the skillset; the interview is more important than the workout. The current Celtics coach, who went undrafted, is a case in point.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1167 » by playa-hater » Mon Jul 5, 2021 3:54 pm

Hal14 wrote:I must be a geek. but i'm intrigued by this aldama guy so I'm watching this:



When the time comes and Boston is 2 minutes away from drafting pick 45, I hope you are on here. I want to see your head explode with the choices available.

I like quite a few prospects for sure. Not easy to make up my mind. But Dammit I'll have my top 3 - 5 binkies picked out. You on the other hand 8-) :crazy:
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1168 » by playa-hater » Mon Jul 5, 2021 3:57 pm

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Shak_Celts wrote:This thread isn't about Rob but he has been mentioned a few times... why have we never let Rob shoot? CBS usually lets everybody and their mother shoot, but he never let TT or Rob shoot. While TT isn't all that, he had done good enough to at least ATTEMPT to stretch the floor. Rob may not be good, but we never even allowed him to test it in-game. How do we know he can't do it? He has really good touch IMO, but he doesn't get many shots to get a feel for it. The last two seasons CBS hasn't had multiple shooters at the big position (grant barely counts), but he also didn't let them shoot. TT could have given us 33-35% which is just good enough to keep people honest. Thing the Jays could have used last season.

Really last season was the only season CBS seemed to hold players back. He use to play with lineups all the time and that was when we were fully healthy, last season he toyed with the young guys PT and he didn't let his bigs shoot.

IDK, this is about the draft, I hope that IF we are keeping so many of these kids again we at least let them play instead of wasting spots and opportunities vets could take. Let the kids play and let the bigs shoot. Good luck Ime!


Rob is so good at vertical spacing I would hate to see Rob floating on the 3 point line. His mid-range and offensive rebounds are what we need. That and staying healthy.



I feel you but a 3 or 2 a game wont hurt.


OK 2 things.. Do we know if Rob even wants to? same question about Coach Ime.. Just wondering.. but it would be nice to have that weapon on last second situations.. So I vote Yes..
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1169 » by Shak_Celts » Mon Jul 5, 2021 4:00 pm

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Rob is so good at vertical spacing I would hate to see Rob floating on the 3 point line. His mid-range and offensive rebounds are what we need. That and staying healthy.



I feel you but a 3 or 2 a game wont hurt.


OK 2 things.. Do we know if Rob even wants to? same question about Coach Ime.. Just wondering.. but it would be nice to have that weapon on last second situations.. So I vote Yes..


He does in practice but so does Tacko so...

Won't post on Rob here anymore because this is about draftees, but I hope we get the chance to see if he has more on offense.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1170 » by playa-hater » Mon Jul 5, 2021 4:01 pm

winsomme2 wrote:Prospects that seem like the exact same guy to me.

Herb Jones
Aaron Henry
(athletic defensive minded wings with limited offense)


Isaiah Livers
Julian Champagnie
(hard nosed wings with average physical skills but can shoot from three and have above average offense)

Pretty sure all four will be on the board at 45. I know Jones and Henry have been higher in mocks but I think their limited offense is going to drop them down.

All 4 I think are intriguing prospects at 45.


I agree with above. But I also think there will be others (with your 4) that slips to 45. THERE WILL BE GOOD CHOICES !!
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1171 » by playa-hater » Mon Jul 5, 2021 4:05 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:When you are picking in the middle of the second round in a relatively flat draft, the two most important considerations should be:
1. Is the player really good at one thing (e.g. shooting, rebounding or defense). If yes he's a better pick.
2. Does the player have a real desire to succeed, to put in the work? If yes, he's a better pick.

In some ways mental makeup is more important than the skillset; the interview is more important than the workout. The current Celtics coach, who went undrafted, is a case in point.


I would hope that pick 2 is for any draft position, but I get what you are saying. Players in RD 2 should be more desperate anyway since contracts are not guaranteed.

Me personally give me one that has all your needs with some log term upside. (swing for the fences if possible) or get a player with at least one excellent trait.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1172 » by playa-hater » Mon Jul 5, 2021 4:06 pm

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I feel you but a 3 or 2 a game wont hurt.


OK 2 things.. Do we know if Rob even wants to? same question about Coach Ime.. Just wondering.. but it would be nice to have that weapon on last second situations.. So I vote Yes..


He does in practice but so does Tacko so...

Won't post on Rob here anymore because this is about draftees, but I hope we get the chance to see if he has more on offense.


you can post about Rob anytime and anywhere.. you have my "unofficial carry no weight" permission 8-)
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Post#1173 » by aporel18 » Mon Jul 5, 2021 4:08 pm

Hal14 wrote:I must be a geek. but i'm intrigued by this aldama guy so I'm watching this:




Aldama has potential to be a solid starter/fringe star, or a luxury role player on a championship team. At #45 I'd pick him or Petrusev, if available. Don't care if Cs have too many bigs, those two are big playmakers who would learn a lot from Big Al
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1174 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 5, 2021 6:53 pm

aporel18 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:I must be a geek. but i'm intrigued by this aldama guy so I'm watching this:




Aldama has potential to be a solid starter/fringe star, or a luxury role player on a championship team. At #45 I'd pick him or Petrusev, if available. Don't care if Cs have too many bigs, those two are big playmakers who would learn a lot from Big Al


I'd be happy with either.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1175 » by RickyDizzle » Mon Jul 5, 2021 8:44 pm

So I think my board looks like this:

Guys I am happy with at 45:

Jt Thor
Tre Mann
Charles Bassey
Ayo dosunmu
Moses Wright
Kessler edwards
Vrenz Bleijenbergh
Dayron Sharpe
Herb Jones
Weiskamp

Guys I would like if they go undrafted:
Hurt
Jericho Sims
Nix
Boston
Ej Onu

I'm sure you guys will turn me on to some more folks to check out (like what happened with Moses wright the other day). About 2/3 of my first list will be gone late 1st or before us in the second, but you take the best one left.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1176 » by playa-hater » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:03 am

RickyDizzle wrote:So I think my board looks like this:

Guys I am happy with at 45:

Jt Thor
Tre Mann
Charles Bassey
Ayo dosunmu
Moses Wright
Kessler edwards
Vrenz Bleijenbergh
Dayron Sharpe
Herb Jones
Weiskamp

Guys I would like if they go undrafted:
Hurt
Jericho Sims
Nix
Boston
Ej Onu

I'm sure you guys will turn me on to some more folks to check out (like what happened with Moses wright the other day). About 2/3 of my first list will be gone late 1st or before us in the second, but you take the best one left.


good list though I think JT Thor is a near lock for rd 1. the rest is possible
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1177 » by Hal14 » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:39 am

playa-hater wrote:
Hal14 wrote:I must be a geek. but i'm intrigued by this aldama guy so I'm watching this:



When the time comes and Boston is 2 minutes away from drafting pick 45, I hope you are on here. I want to see your head explode with the choices available.

I like quite a few prospects for sure. Not easy to make up my mind. But Dammit I'll have my top 3 - 5 binkies picked out. You on the other hand 8-) :crazy:

haha. It's a deep draft. Lots of intriguing options

For the record though, I currently have Aldama ranked no. 20 on my big board.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1178 » by Hal14 » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:44 am

Too bad. This guy was one of my top sleepers and one of the guys I would have liked the C's to try and draft at 45...

Read on Twitter


Maybe we can draft him next year..
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1179 » by return2glory » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:11 am

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/2021-nba-mock-draft-espn-experts-latest-celtics-projection-second-round-pick

They have us taking Kessler Edwards here. That would be a nice pick at 45, but I'm but sure Edwards lasts that long.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#1180 » by Hal14 » Tue Jul 6, 2021 1:43 am

return2glory wrote:https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/2021-nba-mock-draft-espn-experts-latest-celtics-projection-second-round-pick

They have us taking Kessler Edwards here. That would be a nice pick at 45, but I'm but sure Edwards lasts that long.

Yeah I saw that. I wouldn't hate the pick at all if it's Edwards.

At the combine he didn't do much offensively, but he played outstanding defense. Hands down one of the best, most versatile defenders in the draft.
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