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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#461 » by Sportfan73 » Mon Jul 5, 2021 5:32 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:That doesn't change the fact that Simmons is a terrible playoff player on a $30m+ contract that teams will keep hacking and sending to the line, ruining any flow and offensive momentum we ever have. Simmons has to go, I thought we realized this.


Yeah, but the GM here is Morey. He isn't going to sell Ben for peanuts. He will wait and sell high. He may not be able to this summer. If it isn't possible, you do the best you can until it is possible.

Getting a whatever return for Harris doesn't really matter. But getting fleeced on a Ben trade for perceived fit would put a bow on the Embiid era.

Yeah this is all there is to it. We can overpay to sell high on Tobias and buy low on someone who has a similar deal but is a better fit. We sell low on Simmons and have no path into discussion or onto any teams radar that is about to trade a superstar. Like we don’t even get a seat at the table. And if trading Ben for a better fit (brogdon, first) doesn’t make us a contender, and we’re also not a contender with Ben as is but still really good why not just rehab his value and hold out for a star? Like we’re not winning either way so? This is like still process style fundamentals for me. You don’t team build to get to the conference finals and look good doing it.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#462 » by the_process » Mon Jul 5, 2021 5:38 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:That doesn't change the fact that Simmons is a terrible playoff player on a $30m+ contract that teams will keep hacking and sending to the line, ruining any flow and offensive momentum we ever have. Simmons has to go, I thought we realized this.


Yeah, but the GM here is Morey. He isn't going to sell Ben for peanuts. He will wait and sell high. He may not be able to this summer. If it isn't possible, you do the best you can until it is possible.

Getting a whatever return for Harris doesn't really matter. But getting fleeced on a Ben trade for perceived fit would put a bow on the Embiid era.

How can we possibly get fleeced in any Ben Simmons trade? The guy is a terrible playoff piece. That Brogdon/1st rounder would have even been a good deal.


Yeah, there is the disagreement. No, the Brogdon offer wasn't great. Just because Ben had a bad playoffs doesn't take away all the accolades he has earned and the value accumulated from them.

If you trade Ben for nothing, you have no way to put the 2nd piece next to Jo. Harris sure as **** isn't it. So you might as well just put Jo on the block next.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#463 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jul 5, 2021 6:05 pm

Brogdon is a piece that can help in the playoffs along side Embiid and Harris. With that Pacers pick, you can draft a creator to pair with Maxey for the future.

This magical plan of using Ben to acquire a superstar piece to pair with Embiid is wishful thinking. Also, unnecessary. As the Bucks are showing, all you need is Holiday/Middleton caliber creators to make a serious run.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#464 » by Stanford » Mon Jul 5, 2021 6:54 pm

I wonder if the Pacers would upgrade their offer with multiple firsts down the road.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#465 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jul 5, 2021 7:07 pm

Stanford wrote:I wonder if the Pacers would upgrade their offer with multiple firsts down the road.

They probably need to gauge Ben's willingness to live in Indiana first.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#466 » by Sportfan73 » Mon Jul 5, 2021 8:00 pm

Tobi for CJ is the deal. Add whatever that’s not Maxey or Curry to it to get it done. Tobi for brogdon with a third team involved is interesting too but I’d rather have CJ. He’d put up 25-27 ppg on crazy efficiency with Ben and Jo
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Post#467 » by 51X3RF4N » Mon Jul 5, 2021 8:53 pm

Sportfan73 wrote:Tobi for CJ is the deal. Add whatever that’s not Maxey or Curry to it to get it done. Tobi for brogdon with a third team involved is interesting too but I’d rather have CJ. He’d put up 25-27 ppg on crazy efficiency with Ben and Jo
I'd consider a 3 team deal that sends out Ben and Tobias, and brings back Covington, CJ, Brodgon and picks.

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Green/Thybulle
CJ/Curry
Brodgon/Maxey

Just need a stretch 4/5 to solve the 9th man in the playoff rotation.

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#468 » by Sportfan73 » Mon Jul 5, 2021 9:10 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:
Sportfan73 wrote:Tobi for CJ is the deal. Add whatever that’s not Maxey or Curry to it to get it done. Tobi for brogdon with a third team involved is interesting too but I’d rather have CJ. He’d put up 25-27 ppg on crazy efficiency with Ben and Jo
I'd consider a 3 team deal that sends out Ben and Tobias, and brings back Covington, CJ, Brodgon and picks.

Embiid
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Green/Thybulle
CJ/Curry
Brodgon/Maxey

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That team is significantly worse than a team with one of brogdon or CJ and Ben. Preferably CJ
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#469 » by DCasey91 » Mon Jul 5, 2021 10:06 pm

CJ/Brogdon will get lit the heck up you 100% need Thybulle and Green on the floor at the same time.

I still reckon it’s either Lillard for Ben or work through the margins here with a Harris/CJ swap.

I don’t mind CJ/Lowry we are all in anyway. Starting again should be a couple of years away not now lol.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#470 » by Sportfan73 » Mon Jul 5, 2021 10:13 pm

DCasey91 wrote:CJ/Brogdon will get lit the heck up you 100% need Thybulle and Green on the floor at the same time.

I still reckon it’s either Lillard for Ben or work through the margins here with a Harris/CJ swap.

I don’t mind CJ/Lowry we are all in anyway. Starting again should be a couple of years away not now lol.

Third option that I’m personally not a fan of but I think we should still talk about because morey could do it is all in with a maxey/Thybulle/hill/multiple firsts package to add to the core. I’d rather move tobi 10/10 times but I think we should entertain that route because I believe the team might
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#471 » by Sportfan73 » Mon Jul 5, 2021 10:15 pm

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DCasey91 wrote:CJ/Brogdon will get lit the heck up you 100% need Thybulle and Green on the floor at the same time.

I still reckon it’s either Lillard for Ben or work through the margins here with a Harris/CJ swap.

I don’t mind CJ/Lowry we are all in anyway. Starting again should be a couple of years away not now lol.

Third option that I’m personally not a fan of but I think we should still talk about because morey could do it is all in with a maxey/Thybulle/hill/multiple firsts package to add to the core. I’d rather move tobi 10/10 times but I think we should entertain that route because I believe the team might

Something like maxey/Thybulle/hill for Brogdon. Maybe we throw a first in
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#472 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jul 5, 2021 10:55 pm

Including Maxey in a deal for Brogdon is hustling backwards. No, you move Simmons.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#473 » by Sportfan73 » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:04 am

Kobblehead wrote:Including Maxey in a deal for Brogdon is hustling backwards. No, you move Simmons.

Lol did you even read me saying I don’t agree with it but I can definitely see morey going in that direction. If we move Simmons for parts we may as well trade Embiid because the only chance at a title we would have is some miraculous development by maxey into a top 25 nba player and that’s just not happening
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#474 » by the_process » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:27 am

Kobblehead wrote:Brogdon is a piece that can help in the playoffs along side Embiid and Harris. With that Pacers pick, you can draft a creator to pair with Maxey for the future.

This magical plan of using Ben to acquire a superstar piece to pair with Embiid is wishful thinking. Also, unnecessary. As the Bucks are showing, all you need is Holiday/Middleton caliber creators to make a serious run.


Under normal circumstances, the Bucks would not be in the Finals this year.

Embiid does not have a long enough timeline to draft your 2nd star.

Zach LaVine.
Brandon Ingram.
Bradley Beal.
DeAaron Fox.
Shai Gilgeous Alexander.

If you wanna play the long game and hope it works out, Anthony Edwards. EDIT: Another name that could be added here is Darius Garland.

Pipe dreams: Kawhi, Dame.

That's the list. If you can't get it done, you're flipping Tobias for CJ, re-signing Green, and praying other teams either get hurt or underachieve.

I wonder if Morey will surprise us all
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#475 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue Jul 6, 2021 12:44 am

the_process wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Brogdon is a piece that can help in the playoffs along side Embiid and Harris. With that Pacers pick, you can draft a creator to pair with Maxey for the future.

This magical plan of using Ben to acquire a superstar piece to pair with Embiid is wishful thinking. Also, unnecessary. As the Bucks are showing, all you need is Holiday/Middleton caliber creators to make a serious run.


Under normal circumstances, the Bucks would not be in the Finals this year.

Embiid does not have a long enough timeline to draft your 2nd star.

Zach LaVine.
Brandon Ingram.
Bradley Beal.
DeAaron Fox.
Shai Gilgeous Alexander.

If you wanna play the long game and hope it works out, Anthony Edwards.

Pipe dreams: Kawhi, Dame.

That's the list. If you can't get it done, you're flipping Tobias for CJ, re-signing Green, and praying other teams either get hurt or underachieve.

I wonder if Morey will surprise us all.


Kawhi out of left field would be the ultimate surprise Morey move. I'd build a statue for him...Simmons + Milton + picks for Kawhi followed by Harris + Thybulle for McCollum + Covington.


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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#476 » by 51X3RF4N » Tue Jul 6, 2021 2:58 am

So if it were Ben for Fox straight up, is that good value? Do the Sixers say yes?

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#477 » by stormi » Tue Jul 6, 2021 3:08 am

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#478 » by stormi » Tue Jul 6, 2021 4:59 am

Been doing further research about the validity of De'Aaron Fox's ability. Shocked to say the least, and not in a good way.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#479 » by Sportfan73 » Tue Jul 6, 2021 5:34 am

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stormi wrote:Been doing further research about the validity of De'Aaron Fox's ability. Shocked to say the least, and not in a good way.

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#480 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Tue Jul 6, 2021 9:26 am

Simmons for Fox is as fair as it gets. Kings fans will tell you they want Thybulle, and 4 picks with it, but whatever.

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