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[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Well that's Nick Calathes lol and he has good hands. The people go to high or to low for him even hate him or being the best young European ever. It's not one of those. Don't hype him with the Mvp of the Turkish League because the Mvp of the Acb a lot of times wasn't the best of the best too and is a much better league to put in a context don't count to much that I watch European basketball and I didn't hear of this kid he didn't savored the toughness of the biggest level basketball in Europe and probably could make him a better player but looked much worst than he look now with all the stats and hype. And on the others making him look like crap lol at that Tyler Hansbrough comp. He has his body limitations and defensive limitations but like a lot of Europeans, he has some legit ways to play and a solid offensive game for a 18-19 years old kid to work with.

David Lee is a good comparison with him btw

The Hansbrough thing wasn't meant as an insult, but there are comparisons there. Undersized, not a great athlete(unless you believe a 6'9 guy being able to dunk is impressive - to each their own), slower by NBA standards, doesn't have much of a jump shot, and so on. Hansbrough was also a lottery pick and had a 7 year career, so its not like comparing him to some guy who went undrafted and was cut after a season. Sengun is a better passer than Hansbrough was, Hansbrough was stronger, but there are similarities.

But lets say you're right about David Lee, I think Lee was quite a bit more athletic, but to each their own, but lets say you're right....how do you see David Lee fitting into today's NBA?

Not many teams are rolling out there with players who can't shoot. Where does he fit? His game is best suited as a Center, but how's he going to fare defensively there? How's he going to score in the post against defenders quite a bit larger and much more athletic than the defenders he typically sees. For players that can't shoot, they typically are incredible defenders right now, but Segun doesn't project to be that, so how good offensively do you see him being without a shot? Maybe he develops one, but we haven't seen much of anything in that regard yet.

I'm not saying he can't make it, or won't, I'm just asking how?

[fteru6uhre54ew]

Well that's Nick Calathes lol and he has good hands. The people go to high or to low for him even hate him or being the best young European ever. It's not one of those. Don't hype him with the Mvp of the Turkish League because the Mvp of the Acb a lot of times wasn't the best of the best too and is a much better league to put in a context don't count to much that I watch European basketball and I didn't hear of this kid he didn't savored the toughness of the biggest level basketball in Europe and probably could make him a better player but looked much worst than he look now with all the stats and hype. And on the others making him look like crap lol at that Tyler Hansbrough comp. He has his body limitations and defensive limitations but like a lot of Europeans, he has some legit ways to play and a solid offensive game for a 18-19 years old kid to work with.

David Lee is a good comparison with him btw

The Hansbrough thing wasn't meant as an insult, but there are comparisons there. Undersized, not a great athlete(unless you believe a 6'9 guy being able to dunk is impressive - to each their own), slower by NBA standards, doesn't have much of a jump shot, and so on. Hansbrough was also a lottery pick and had a 7 year career, so its not like comparing him to some guy who went undrafted and was cut after a season. Sengun is a better passer than Hansbrough was, Hansbrough was stronger, but there are similarities.

But lets say you're right about David Lee, I think Lee was quite a bit more athletic, but to each their own, but lets say you're right....how do you see David Lee fitting into today's NBA?

Not many teams are rolling out there with players who can't shoot. Where does he fit? His game is best suited as a Center, but how's he going to fare defensively there? How's he going to score in the post against defenders quite a bit larger and much more athletic than the defenders he typically sees.

I'm not saying he can't make it, or won't, I'm just asking how?

David Lee was a really good offensive player really complete with an amazing touch and he won the ring with the Warriors playing in that small ball game at the 5 with Draymond or with Bogut next to him. Maybe yeah he had a better speed on his feets a little bit more athletic but pretty similar. This kid has a good shooting mechanic and a 80% from the free throw line he is going to have a shot from the outside probably he is still a kid can get better in that aspect. This kid is clearly more talented than Hansbrough

[nicnac215]

Well that's Nick Calathes lol and he has good hands. The people go to high or to low for him even hate him or being the best young European ever. It's not one of those. Don't hype him with the Mvp of the Turkish League because the Mvp of the Acb a lot of times wasn't the best of the best too and is a much better league to put in a context don't count to much that I watch European basketball and I didn't hear of this kid he didn't savored the toughness of the biggest level basketball in Europe and probably could make him a better player but looked much worst than he look now with all the stats and hype. And on the others making him look like crap lol at that Tyler Hansbrough comp. He has his body limitations and defensive limitations but like a lot of Europeans, he has some legit ways to play and a solid offensive game for a 18-19 years old kid to work with.

David Lee is a good comparison with him btw

The Hansbrough thing wasn't meant as an insult, but there are comparisons there. Undersized, not a great athlete(unless you believe a 6'9 guy being able to dunk is impressive - to each their own), slower by NBA standards, doesn't have much of a jump shot, and so on. Hansbrough was also a lottery pick and had a 7 year career, so its not like comparing him to some guy who went undrafted and was cut after a season. Sengun is a better passer than Hansbrough was, Hansbrough was stronger, but there are similarities.

But lets say you're right about David Lee, I think Lee was quite a bit more athletic, but to each their own, but lets say you're right....how do you see David Lee fitting into today's NBA?

Not many teams are rolling out there with players who can't shoot. Where does he fit? His game is best suited as a Center, but how's he going to fare defensively there? How's he going to score in the post against defenders quite a bit larger and much more athletic than the defenders he typically sees. For players that can't shoot, they typically are incredible defenders right now, but Segun doesn't project to be that, so how good offensively do you see him being without a shot? Maybe he develops one, but we haven't seen much of anything in that regard yet.

I'm not saying he can't make it, or won't, I'm just asking how?

He shot 8fta per 36 at 80%. I would say he has a good shot and will become a solid to great 3 point shooter in 3 years.

[Charm]

Well that's Nick Calathes lol and he has good hands. The people go to high or to low for him even hate him or being the best young European ever. It's not one of those. Don't hype him with the Mvp of the Turkish League because the Mvp of the Acb a lot of times wasn't the best of the best too and is a much better league to put in a context don't count to much that I watch European basketball and I didn't hear of this kid he didn't savored the toughness of the biggest level basketball in Europe and probably could make him a better player but looked much worst than he look now with all the stats and hype. And on the others making him look like crap lol at that Tyler Hansbrough comp. He has his body limitations and defensive limitations but like a lot of Europeans, he has some legit ways to play and a solid offensive game for a 18-19 years old kid to work with.

David Lee is a good comparison with him btw

The Hansbrough thing wasn't meant as an insult, but there are comparisons there. Undersized, not a great athlete(unless you believe a 6'9 guy being able to dunk is impressive - to each their own), slower by NBA standards, doesn't have much of a jump shot, and so on. Hansbrough was also a lottery pick and had a 7 year career, so its not like comparing him to some guy who went undrafted and was cut after a season. Sengun is a better passer than Hansbrough was, Hansbrough was stronger, but there are similarities.

But lets say you're right about David Lee, I think Lee was quite a bit more athletic, but to each their own, but lets say you're right....how do you see David Lee fitting into today's NBA?

Not many teams are rolling out there with players who can't shoot. Where does he fit? His game is best suited as a Center, but how's he going to fare defensively there? How's he going to score in the post against defenders quite a bit larger and much more athletic than the defenders he typically sees. For players that can't shoot, they typically are incredible defenders right now, but Segun doesn't project to be that, so how good offensively do you see him being without a shot? Maybe he develops one, but we haven't seen much of anything in that regard yet.

I'm not saying he can't make it, or won't, I'm just asking how?

He's about 2-3" from hitting his head on the rim on that one dunk. Was Lee really "quite a bit more athletic" than that?

Also, you've got it backwards in terms of size. Greece in particular has an enormous frontcout. Consider Sengun's teammate Yurtseven, who was one of the biggest centers in the NCAA. Listed at 7'0" (in socks) 275lbs on his GLeague profile. Greece makes him look like a child.



There's a decent chance Sengun will never face a frontcourt that big in his NBA career.

[Big J]

His best bet is as a spark plug 6th man. His game just does not fit in the modern NBA. If he’s one of your five best you are doomed.

[fteru6uhre54ew]

Well that's Nick Calathes lol and he has good hands. The people go to high or to low for him even hate him or being the best young European ever. It's not one of those. Don't hype him with the Mvp of the Turkish League because the Mvp of the Acb a lot of times wasn't the best of the best too and is a much better league to put in a context don't count to much that I watch European basketball and I didn't hear of this kid he didn't savored the toughness of the biggest level basketball in Europe and probably could make him a better player but looked much worst than he look now with all the stats and hype. And on the others making him look like crap lol at that Tyler Hansbrough comp. He has his body limitations and defensive limitations but like a lot of Europeans, he has some legit ways to play and a solid offensive game for a 18-19 years old kid to work with.

David Lee is a good comparison with him btw

The Hansbrough thing wasn't meant as an insult, but there are comparisons there. Undersized, not a great athlete(unless you believe a 6'9 guy being able to dunk is impressive - to each their own), slower by NBA standards, doesn't have much of a jump shot, and so on. Hansbrough was also a lottery pick and had a 7 year career, so its not like comparing him to some guy who went undrafted and was cut after a season. Sengun is a better passer than Hansbrough was, Hansbrough was stronger, but there are similarities.

But lets say you're right about David Lee, I think Lee was quite a bit more athletic, but to each their own, but lets say you're right....how do you see David Lee fitting into today's NBA?

Not many teams are rolling out there with players who can't shoot. Where does he fit? His game is best suited as a Center, but how's he going to fare defensively there? How's he going to score in the post against defenders quite a bit larger and much more athletic than the defenders he typically sees. For players that can't shoot, they typically are incredible defenders right now, but Segun doesn't project to be that, so how good offensively do you see him being without a shot? Maybe he develops one, but we haven't seen much of anything in that regard yet.

I'm not saying he can't make it, or won't, I'm just asking how?

He's about 2-3" from hitting his head on the rim on that one dunk. Was Lee really "quite a bit more athletic" than that?

Also, you've got it backwards in terms of size. Greece in particular has an enormous frontcout. Consider Sengun's teammate Yurtseven, who was one of the biggest centers in the NCAA. Listed at 7'0" (in socks) 275lbs on his GLeague profile. Greece makes him look like a child.



There's a decent chance Sengun will never face a frontcourt that big in his NBA career.

The frontcourt of Greece is much worst than the average in the Euroleague and a random frontcourt. Papagianis and Mitoglou are a random bigs nothing close to the best in the Euroleague but Euroleague players yeah besides that u don't have anything at the first level in that frontcourt basically I only know those two guys lol.

[Charm]

The Hansbrough thing wasn't meant as an insult, but there are comparisons there. Undersized, not a great athlete(unless you believe a 6'9 guy being able to dunk is impressive - to each their own), slower by NBA standards, doesn't have much of a jump shot, and so on. Hansbrough was also a lottery pick and had a 7 year career, so its not like comparing him to some guy who went undrafted and was cut after a season. Sengun is a better passer than Hansbrough was, Hansbrough was stronger, but there are similarities.

But lets say you're right about David Lee, I think Lee was quite a bit more athletic, but to each their own, but lets say you're right....how do you see David Lee fitting into today's NBA?

Not many teams are rolling out there with players who can't shoot. Where does he fit? His game is best suited as a Center, but how's he going to fare defensively there? How's he going to score in the post against defenders quite a bit larger and much more athletic than the defenders he typically sees. For players that can't shoot, they typically are incredible defenders right now, but Segun doesn't project to be that, so how good offensively do you see him being without a shot? Maybe he develops one, but we haven't seen much of anything in that regard yet.

I'm not saying he can't make it, or won't, I'm just asking how?

He's about 2-3" from hitting his head on the rim on that one dunk. Was Lee really "quite a bit more athletic" than that?

Also, you've got it backwards in terms of size. Greece in particular has an enormous frontcout. Consider Sengun's teammate Yurtseven, who was one of the biggest centers in the NCAA. Listed at 7'0" (in socks) 275lbs on his GLeague profile. Greece makes him look like a child.



There's a decent chance Sengun will never face a frontcourt that big in his NBA career.

The frontcourt of Greece is much worst than the average in the Euroleague and a random frontcourt. Papagianis and Mitoglou are a random bigs nothing close to the best in the Euroleague but Euroleague players yeah besides that u don't have anything at the first level in that frontcourt basically I only know those two guys lol.

They're not the most skilled frontcourt in Euroleague, but they point is that they're **** huge lol. A lot of NBA centers would look like PFs next to them. Guys like Mobley and Kai Jones would look like twigs. Canada's Powell and Lyles would be a totally normal NBA frontcourt...Papagiannis and Greece make them look comically undersized. So just because Sengun looked small against Greece doesn't mean he's actually going to be undersized in the NBA.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Well that's Nick Calathes lol and he has good hands. The people go to high or to low for him even hate him or being the best young European ever. It's not one of those. Don't hype him with the Mvp of the Turkish League because the Mvp of the Acb a lot of times wasn't the best of the best too and is a much better league to put in a context don't count to much that I watch European basketball and I didn't hear of this kid he didn't savored the toughness of the biggest level basketball in Europe and probably could make him a better player but looked much worst than he look now with all the stats and hype. And on the others making him look like crap lol at that Tyler Hansbrough comp. He has his body limitations and defensive limitations but like a lot of Europeans, he has some legit ways to play and a solid offensive game for a 18-19 years old kid to work with.

David Lee is a good comparison with him btw

The Hansbrough thing wasn't meant as an insult, but there are comparisons there. Undersized, not a great athlete(unless you believe a 6'9 guy being able to dunk is impressive - to each their own), slower by NBA standards, doesn't have much of a jump shot, and so on. Hansbrough was also a lottery pick and had a 7 year career, so its not like comparing him to some guy who went undrafted and was cut after a season. Sengun is a better passer than Hansbrough was, Hansbrough was stronger, but there are similarities.

But lets say you're right about David Lee, I think Lee was quite a bit more athletic, but to each their own, but lets say you're right....how do you see David Lee fitting into today's NBA?

Not many teams are rolling out there with players who can't shoot. Where does he fit? His game is best suited as a Center, but how's he going to fare defensively there? How's he going to score in the post against defenders quite a bit larger and much more athletic than the defenders he typically sees.

I'm not saying he can't make it, or won't, I'm just asking how?

David Lee was a really good offensive player really complete with an amazing touch and he won the ring with the Warriors playing in that small ball game at the 5 with Draymond or with Bogut next to him. Maybe yeah he had a better speed on his feets a little bit more athletic but pretty similar. This kid has a good shooting mechanic and a 80% from the free throw line he is going to have a shot from the outside probably he is still a kid can get better in that aspect. This kid is clearly more talented than Hansbrough

Better speed, stronger, more bounce, all played a factor for Lee in my opinion...and I don't believe David Lee would have as much success in today's NBA as when he played(you could plug a lot of people into that role for that Warriors team and come away with a ring.)

He can develop an outside shot, but we haven't seen anything of it yet...sometimes players can learn, other times they can't. If he does learn, how does he get his shot off against NBA players? I don't think he's quick enough. Sometimes you have a player kinda stand in the corner and they get shots when defense breaks down, so maybe that? But you typically aren't drafting those players in the lottery either.

How do you envision him stacking up on defense? Do you view him as a 4 or 5 on both offense and defense?

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Well that's Nick Calathes lol and he has good hands. The people go to high or to low for him even hate him or being the best young European ever. It's not one of those. Don't hype him with the Mvp of the Turkish League because the Mvp of the Acb a lot of times wasn't the best of the best too and is a much better league to put in a context don't count to much that I watch European basketball and I didn't hear of this kid he didn't savored the toughness of the biggest level basketball in Europe and probably could make him a better player but looked much worst than he look now with all the stats and hype. And on the others making him look like crap lol at that Tyler Hansbrough comp. He has his body limitations and defensive limitations but like a lot of Europeans, he has some legit ways to play and a solid offensive game for a 18-19 years old kid to work with.

David Lee is a good comparison with him btw

The Hansbrough thing wasn't meant as an insult, but there are comparisons there. Undersized, not a great athlete(unless you believe a 6'9 guy being able to dunk is impressive - to each their own), slower by NBA standards, doesn't have much of a jump shot, and so on. Hansbrough was also a lottery pick and had a 7 year career, so its not like comparing him to some guy who went undrafted and was cut after a season. Sengun is a better passer than Hansbrough was, Hansbrough was stronger, but there are similarities.

But lets say you're right about David Lee, I think Lee was quite a bit more athletic, but to each their own, but lets say you're right....how do you see David Lee fitting into today's NBA?

Not many teams are rolling out there with players who can't shoot. Where does he fit? His game is best suited as a Center, but how's he going to fare defensively there? How's he going to score in the post against defenders quite a bit larger and much more athletic than the defenders he typically sees. For players that can't shoot, they typically are incredible defenders right now, but Segun doesn't project to be that, so how good offensively do you see him being without a shot? Maybe he develops one, but we haven't seen much of anything in that regard yet.

I'm not saying he can't make it, or won't, I'm just asking how?

He shot 8fta per 36 at 80%. I would say he has a good shot and will become a solid to great 3 point shooter in 3 years.

Tough to say he'll be a great 3 point shooter in 3 years when we haven't even seen that skill from him at all to this point. Maybe he becomes a good outside shooter though, its possible, I still don't see how he gets his own shot though.

[Charm]

Yup...haven't seen anything of it yet. No signs of 3-point range here.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

He's about 2-3" from hitting his head on the rim on that one dunk. Was Lee really "quite a bit more athletic" than that?

1. Athlete doesn't just have to do with someone's ability to jump.

2. Having your head 2-3" from the rim isn't some wildly uncommon thing.

3. Yes.

Also, you've got it backwards in terms of size.

I said he was undersized, and you said I have it backwards, does this mean you believe he will have great size for the NBA? If so, I'd love to hear what makes you believe that.

Greece in particular has an enormous frontcout. Consider Sengun's teammate Yurtseven, who was one of the biggest centers in the NCAA. Listed at 7'0" (in socks) 275lbs on his GLeague profile. Greece makes him look like a child.

Its weird to me you're taking one game and applying it to anything.

There's a decent chance Sengun will never face a frontcourt that big in his NBA career.

There is a 100% chance Sengun will never face a frontcourt remotely that awful in his NBA career.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Yup...haven't seen anything of it yet. No signs of 3-point range here.

You right. Probably the only guy in the draft to make a 3 pointer.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Nothing interesting here. Just an old fashioned slow footed low-post specialist. Low ceiling kinda pick. Not a great fit in the modern NBA.

one guy completely abandons the lane to give him a free pass to the hoop and his competition looks like they play off the bench at St. Johns. c'mon man, this shows nothing. Certainly nothing to be all smarmy about like he's done something noteworthy.

It's not bad defense; Calathes has to try to anticipate whether Sengun will keep it or pass it, and he anticipates incorrectly.

Also, that team could roll out of bed and beat any NCAA team by 20 points.

The fact that you don't believe that is bad defense is mind boggling.

[Charm]

Lol, I give up. I thought that maybe y'all were visual learners, so I gave it a try with gifs, but apparently I was incorrect.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Lol, I give up. I thought that maybe y'all were visual learners, so I gave it a try with gifs, but apparently I was incorrect.

You can have whatever opinion you want, but I don't know why you believed gifs were proof of anything. I can post a video of Ben Simmons making a 3 point shot...doesn't mean he's a good 3 point shooter. Sengun shot 21% last season, maybe that is good in Turkey? I'm not sure, but that isn't good in the NBA. You posted gifs of a 6'9 guy dunking like its some strange phenomenon....nearly every player in the NBA can dunk the ball...its not proof of an elite athlete at the NBA level. Then ya posted a gif of a defender moving away from him clearing the lane...I mean, it doesn't show anything.

I don't know why you believe the gifs would prove anything. I was talking to my friend about it who is a HUGE Sengun fan and even he thought it was silly. Can find clips of anyone doing stuff like that.

Again, no issues at all with you liking him as a player, thats great. Nothing wrong with having different opinions. I'm sure there are players I like in the draft that you don't...just how sports goes. But the clips and acting like its some amazing feat that he's doing is the silly part to me...and certainly nothing to do with "visual learning" as if people commenting on this thread haven't watched videos already.

[Yallbecrazy]

His best bet is as a spark plug 6th man. His game just does not fit in the modern NBA. If he’s one of your five best you are doomed.

Maybe right now as an 18 year old. He has an excellent chance to win rookie of the year and will be the favourite in my opinion.

I think he will be a perennial all star and top 30 player in the league at his peak. Skill and BBIQ will always play, people who question his athleticism did the same with Young, Doncic, Curry, Jokic. You'd think people would learn, but they keep making the same mistakes again and again evaluating players.

[DCasey91]

Luis Scola anyone? Hard to find a comp for Sengun he’s stuck at an awkward height for me.

He’s more of a 4 then a five imo.

[DCasey91]

Watch on YouTube

I forgot how good Scola was in the post.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Luis Scola anyone? Hard to find a comp for Sengun he’s stuck at an awkward height for me.

He’s more of a 4 then a five imo.

Mr. 5 pivots? For me, Sengun is a better rim protecting D. Sabonis at this point.

I keep bringing this up, but there's like 15 players that stick in every draft to go on and be more than just an end of rotation player. It's really hard to picture Sengun not being one of those 15. Nearly led the FIBA Q tournament in FTAs in under 20 minutes/g.

[EvanZ]

Charm, my man, if you could show any clips that *don't involve dunks* but show how athletic you think he is, I'm here for it.

But like I said many pages ago, Blake Griffin won a dunk contest, and he can't defend anyone. David Lee (who I brought up several pages ago) was a great athlete and dunker (I think he won the McDonald's dunk contest once upon a time) but he was slow-footed laterally and just a terrible defender because of it (even though he played center for the Knicks for years!).

You can be explosive vertically like Obi or Amare and still be a terrible defender. You can also be incredibly fast up and down the court like a James Wiseman and be a terrible defender. So far, just showing us examples of dunks (and literally it's the same dunk over and over again with like CIA-level zoom) does not convince anyone he's a great lateral athlete. You need to be a lateral athlete to defend at a high level in the NBA. You need to move your feet quickly side-to-side. I think you know this.

Where are those videos?