2021 NBA Draft Thread

Dn4sty · Post #741 » by **Dn4sty** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 3:24 am

jambalaya wrote:Wagner- size, good at a lot of stuff and youth (something I rarely emphasize but he has it on top of the other 2).

Kispert, elite skill, better at most other stuff than often thought.

Imo Green and Barnes have fewer strengths and more weaknesses.

I see no superstars among these 4. Or probably even stars. Maybe 1-2 borderline stars. Certainly will be players and fans that expect stars or superstars and will judge what they get as close enough. I am less likely to get there but we'll see.

Also no Bouknight?

Post #742 » by **bondom34** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 3:33 am

Wagner I really like. Think he might be a high level role player that a lot of teams need (thinking Mikal Bridges comp in terms of level of player and what he may do to some extent). 6 is probably too high but not sure he makes it much further.

jambalaya · Post #743 » by **jambalaya** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 4:23 am

No Bouknight in top 30 but almost certainly 30-35. If you are considered a shooter, shoot it well. I don't give that much allowance for poor shooting especially volume poor shooting. Others gloss over it, expect development out of it. Sometimes it happens, sometimes not. I think volume shooting on poor efficiency is a disease hard to shake, plain annoying and usually a sign of other deficiencies.

Post #744 » by **bondom34** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 4:47 am

Bouknight was a situational guy. Vecenie said it a few times, but shot 9 uncontested shots the entire season. Was a spot where UConn just didn't have other options (think he/Moody/Wagner are all guys right in that 6-8 or 7-9 range for me).

Generally I do a lot of stuff for the draft based statistically but have to trust draft guys on it as well, and that's a big one in terms of situational looks at players.

Also he wasz a 78% FT shooter, using Tankathon's numbers he projects as a solid 3 point shooter at least.

Post #745 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 11:49 am

What are everyone's thoughts on JT Thor?

thedoppelganger · Post #746 » by **thedoppelganger** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 3:08 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on JT Thor?

End of first round/early second round at the moment. Great length, athleticism, shot blocking instincts, can move pretty well on the perimeter guarding smaller guys. Got stone hands though, really weak rebounder, nothing off the bounce at the moment, bad passer, and not a huge fan of the shot mechanics.

I'm good with taking 1 or 2 high risk/high reward types, but don't want to load up the roster with too many of them. Think going for him at 18 would be a big reach, but doubt he lasts til 34. Having a 'Thor' on the Thunder would be fun at least.

Post #747 » by **Dadouv47** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 4:56 pm

Don't get the idea of drafting Vrenz. His game looks similar to Poku (guess his floor is higher, ceiling probably lower) but gonna need a lot of time to develop. I'm not against a "normal" rebuild but if we want to compete with Shai, we can't only draft guys like Poku/Vrenz/Maledon that will take longer than most young players to reach a good NBA level.

Feel like Presti gonna need to be pretty creative if we want to find the right deals on draft night (if he can't find a team to move up 16 & 18 to 9-12).

Old Man Game · Post #748 » by **Old Man Game** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 5:20 pm

I saw a mock draft this morning that had us taking Mitchell over Kuminga and guys, it didn't feel great.

Post #749 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 5:46 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:Don't get the idea of drafting Vrenz. His game looks similar to Poku (guess his floor is higher, ceiling probably lower) but gonna need a lot of time to develop. I'm not against a "normal" rebuild but if we want to compete with Shai, we can't only draft guys like Poku/Vrenz/Maledon that will take longer than most young players to reach a good NBA level.

Feel like Presti gonna need to be pretty creative if we want to find the right deals on draft night (if he can't find a team to move up 16 & 18 to 9-12).

I don’t think he is as raw as poku. All that matters is that is he becomes a good player. When you are picking in the range he’s likely to be selected, you can’t be too picky.

Post #750 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 5:46 pm

Old Man Game wrote:I saw a mock draft this morning that had us taking Mitchell over Kuminga and guys, it didn't feel great.

Out of al the guys I see picked in the top ten, I think he’s the last one I see presti picking.

SmellingColors · Post #751 » by **SmellingColors** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 6:37 pm

Kings fan here. I saw a recent mock that had Mitchell going to the Thunder at 6 over Kuminga which really surprised me as I thought the Thunder would be a team looking for upside swings. I feel like the best pairing with SGA would be Suggs, but I don't see him falling past the Raptors at 4. Is Mitchell a legitimate possibility for you guys? Are there other players you think Presti would target over Kuminga at 6? Who are your ideal targets there?

Seems like a lot of teams are down on Kuminga so I'm trying to find some justification that Kuminga could drop to 9 for the Kings which doesn't seem as much of a stretch as it did a month ago.

Post #752 » by **Dadouv47** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 7:30 pm

SmellingColors wrote:Kings fan here. I saw a recent mock that had Mitchell going to the Thunder at 6 over Kuminga which really surprised me as I thought the Thunder would be a team looking for upside swings. I feel like the best pairing with SGA would be Suggs, but I don't see him falling past the Raptors at 4. Is Mitchell a legitimate possibility for you guys? Are there other players you think Presti would target over Kuminga at 6? Who are your ideal targets there?

Seems like a lot of teams are down on Kuminga so I'm trying to find some justification that Kuminga could drop to 9 for the Kings which doesn't seem as much of a stretch as it did a month ago.

I'm not sure we have insider informations about OKC. They never leak anything anyway but I really hope we don't draft Mitchell. Also doesn't think he's a guy that Presti would value that much but...who knows.

I'm starting to think that there's a decent chance Presti doesn't pick Kuminga though. Sengun, Giddey or Bouknight wouldn't surprise me.

Still a long shot to get Kuminga at 9 but who knows (even more that Orlando won't pick him if they get Barnes at 5)

Old Man Game · Post #753 » by **Old Man Game** » Tue Jul 6, 2021 8:17 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Old Man Game wrote:I saw a mock draft this morning that had us taking Mitchell over Kuminga and guys, it didn't feel great.

Out of al the guys I see picked in the top ten, I think he’s the last one I see presti picking.

Between his age and his relatively pedestrian wingspan it seems really unlikely.

Post #754 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 12:29 pm

Read on Twitter

Not like we have a chance but why not asking...

Post #755 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:03 pm

If OKC is really asking for the first pick, I wonder if we get a shot at 2-4.

Houston probably wants to draft either Green or Mobley but Kuminga/Barnes + 5 years of flexibility back with their 2 FRPs and pick swap back isn't that bad...

Post #756 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:08 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:If OKC is really asking for the first pick, I wonder if we get a shot at 2-4.

Houston probably wants to draft either Green or Mobley but Kuminga/Barnes + 5 years of flexibility back with their 2 FRPs and pick swap back isn't that bad...

Our best outcome that has a slight possibility is if Toronto likes Barnes. This assumes the top three go Cade, green and Mobley. That puts Orlando in a spot of being left with Suggs with already having Cole and Fultz. If they selected Kuminga and Suggs fell to us, I would be thrilled. I don’t think Barnes is a great fit with the raptors but I’ve heard some rumors of them being interested in him.

Orlando trading up seems like a realistic possibility. It’s so hard to say because these things never go as expected. Last year the top two picks drafted for fit instead of taking Lamelo.

Post #757 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:17 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:If OKC is really asking for the first pick, I wonder if we get a shot at 2-4.

Houston probably wants to draft either Green or Mobley but Kuminga/Barnes + 5 years of flexibility back with their 2 FRPs and pick swap back isn't that bad...

Our best outcome that has a slight possibility is if Toronto likes Barnes. This assumes the top three go Cade, green and Mobley. That puts Orlando in a spot of being left with Suggs with already having Cole and Fultz. If they selected Kuminga and Suggs fell to us, I would be thrilled. I don’t think Barnes is a great fit with the raptors but I’ve heard some rumors of them being interested in him.

Orlando trading up seems like a realistic possibility. It’s so hard to say because these things never go as expected. Last year the top two picks drafted for fit instead of taking Lamelo.

I doubt Orlando would pass on Suggs because they already have Cole/Fultz (and they can pick a good SF anyway with #8)

Post #758 » by **retrobro90** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:54 pm

Which mock had us taking Davion? I guess he's supposed to be an insane worker but I'd be pretty disappointed taking someone as small as him. Came in right at 6ft in the combine measurements. He keeps getting compared to Donovan Mitchell too but outside of their similar names he doesn't have close to the same explosion on his first step or leaping ability.

I'm getting warmer on Giddey. There's just only so many dudes with his combo of size and vision. Can't see him washing out of the league.

thedoppelganger · Post #759 » by **thedoppelganger** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 3:03 pm

Outside of the Athletic (Vecenie), ESPN (Givony/Schmitz), Ringer (KOC), and Bleacher Report (Wasserman), are there any other mocks you all look at where the authors have some credible insight from NBA personnel/scouts?

Wasserman updated his mock today with us taking Barnes, Sengun, Springer, Dosunmu, Prkacin. Don't mind any of those, although I don't think any chance we pick at all 5 spots. Did find it interesting he dropped Greg Brown completely out of the top 60 despite most other mocks having him as late first/early second, that was a guy I have zero interest in taking at any of our picks except maybe 55.

Post #760 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Jul 7, 2021 4:02 pm

thedoppelganger wrote:Outside of the Athletic (Vecenie), ESPN (Givony/Schmitz), Ringer (KOC), and Bleacher Report (Wasserman), are there any other mocks you all look at where the authors have some credible insight from NBA personnel/scouts?

Wasserman updated his mock today with us taking Barnes, Sengun, Springer, Dosunmu, Prkacin. Don't mind any of those, although I don't think any chance we pick at all 5 spots. Did find it interesting he dropped Greg Brown completely out of the top 60 despite most other mocks having him as late first/early second, that was a guy I have zero interest in taking at any of our picks except maybe 55.

Not an ideal draft but if we cant move up, ending up with Barnes and Sengun is pretty good.

No idea how many players we will draft but it should be 3 or 4 max.