Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[SO_MONEY]

Rumors of talks about a a Fox/Simmons deal.

This may be our strongest competition for Simmons

There is plenty of competition. We weren’t even mentioned in the Vegas odds from a couple weeks ago.

Odds on Ben Simmons 2021-22 team
Philadelphia 76ers: +225
Portland Trail Blazers: +450
Washington Wizards: +650
San Antonio Spurs: +800
Golden State Warriors: +1000
Chicago Bulls: +1200
Oklahoma City Thunder: +1200
Cleveland Cavaliers: +1200
Houston Rockets: +1500
Utah Jazz: +2000
Indiana Pacers: +2000
Toronto Raptors: +2500
Boston Celtics: +2500
ANY OTHER TEAM: +800

I don't think most those teams are excited to pay Simmons 35mil. As demonstrated by the odds only two trade candidates less than +800. So according to Vegas we are tied for the third most "likely".

[King Malta]

Rumors of talks about a a Fox/Simmons deal.

This may be our strongest competition for Simmons

There is plenty of competition. We weren’t even mentioned in the Vegas odds from a couple weeks ago.

Odds on Ben Simmons 2021-22 team
Philadelphia 76ers: +225
Portland Trail Blazers: +450
Washington Wizards: +650
San Antonio Spurs: +800
Golden State Warriors: +1000
Chicago Bulls: +1200
Oklahoma City Thunder: +1200
Cleveland Cavaliers: +1200
Houston Rockets: +1500
Utah Jazz: +2000
Indiana Pacers: +2000
Toronto Raptors: +2500
Boston Celtics: +2500
ANY OTHER TEAM: +800

I was genuinely surprised by how much of an outside option we seem to be tbh.

I assume that's (fairly) down to the perception that we perhaps don't have the capital to compete with some other offers, but Simmons feels like the sort of piece that Rosas would be right into, along with his pre-existing relationships with Towns and D'Lo.

Although I'm an Australian, I've never really bought into the Simmons hype to the level that some others have, and have always found him to be somewhat overrated. I think that pendulum has swung dramatically though lately, and he's now in the opposite category. Despite his glaring weaknesses he's still an elite player. I'm very intrigued to see what price he ultimately fetches on the market.

[pumunga]

This may be our strongest competition for Simmons

There is plenty of competition. We weren’t even mentioned in the Vegas odds from a couple weeks ago.

Odds on Ben Simmons 2021-22 team
Philadelphia 76ers: +225
Portland Trail Blazers: +450
Washington Wizards: +650
San Antonio Spurs: +800
Golden State Warriors: +1000
Chicago Bulls: +1200
Oklahoma City Thunder: +1200
Cleveland Cavaliers: +1200
Houston Rockets: +1500
Utah Jazz: +2000
Indiana Pacers: +2000
Toronto Raptors: +2500
Boston Celtics: +2500
ANY OTHER TEAM: +800

I don't think most those teams are excited to pay Simmons 35mil. As demonstrated by the odds only two trade candidates less than +800. So according to Vegas we are tied for the third most "likely".

Also tied for 20th …. But when you start looking at those teams, and what their best offer would be, and than compare it to Minnesota, idk if we quite measure up

[Nick K]

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So Beasley, Rubio, Naz Reid, Culver+2 1st rders for Simmons

I would pull the trigger. Maybe we can get Simmons+Danny Green(Sign and trade) for the above mentioned guys?

Reid has alot of potential. But i think we need a shot blocking center more. Maybe Nerlens Noel with the MLE?

They are not giving up Naz Reid. Who comes up with these ideas? How much more can we give up for a 14-7 -6 player who is being run out of town?

Lets go after Kawhi Leonard instead.

How about Rubio, Beasley, Juancho, Layman, and 1 1st for Simmons and an expiring. Juancho and Layman are studs! :") Philly could win it all with those guys.

Seriously, Philly is a better team with Rubio and Beasley. They fit Doc perfectly.

[pumunga]

There is plenty of competition. We weren’t even mentioned in the Vegas odds from a couple weeks ago.

Odds on Ben Simmons 2021-22 team
Philadelphia 76ers: +225
Portland Trail Blazers: +450
Washington Wizards: +650
San Antonio Spurs: +800
Golden State Warriors: +1000
Chicago Bulls: +1200
Oklahoma City Thunder: +1200
Cleveland Cavaliers: +1200
Houston Rockets: +1500
Utah Jazz: +2000
Indiana Pacers: +2000
Toronto Raptors: +2500
Boston Celtics: +2500
ANY OTHER TEAM: +800

I don't think most those teams are excited to pay Simmons 35mil. As demonstrated by the odds only two trade candidates less than +800. So according to Vegas we are tied for the third most "likely".

Also tied for 20th …. But when you start looking at those teams, and what their best offer would be, and than compare it to Minnesota, idk if we quite measure up

Got to imagine Portland would have a deal centering around McCollum

Not sure if Washington would be willing to part with either of their big 2, and not sure they’d have enuff with out beal or Westbrook

Would the Spurs offer derozan straight up?

Golden state would be looking to unload Wiggins I’m sure

Bulls probably would want to keep lavine and vucevic so a deal around Coby white and markkanen and patrick Williams maybe ?

I think the cavaliers could have an intriguing package centered around sexton and this/last years draft picks, Kevin love probably has some value

Compared to Minnesota offer centered around Beasley and rubio? Idk…

[Klomp]

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[karch34]

I saw this on the Trade Board, and I like it.

Malik Beasley for Maxi Kleber and #18 Josh Green

Kleber seems like a great fit, because he does a lot of the things we need. He shot 41% 3P last year, and …

Maxi has always been a plus defender, but he keeps improving. Coach Carlisle had this to say on Sunday about Kleber's defense. “He has really become one of the better two-way players in the league. There aren't many 6'10 guys that can guard perimeter players and protect the rim

Josh Green was one of the best defenders in last year’s draft. He is a poor shooter so far, but if we move Okogie/Culver, he will have an immediate role, and hopefully can develop into something better than either.

Josh Green and #18 this year or Josh Green who was #18 last year?

[shrink]

I saw this on the Trade Board, and I like it.

Malik Beasley for Maxi Kleber and #18 Josh Green

Kleber seems like a great fit, because he does a lot of the things we need. He shot 41% 3P last year, and …

Maxi has always been a plus defender, but he keeps improving. Coach Carlisle had this to say on Sunday about Kleber's defense. “He has really become one of the better two-way players in the league. There aren't many 6'10 guys that can guard perimeter players and protect the rim

Josh Green was one of the best defenders in last year’s draft. He is a poor shooter so far, but if we move Okogie/Culver, he will have an immediate role, and hopefully can develop into something better than either.

Josh Green and #18 this year or Josh Green who was #18 last year?

“Who was.” I put it down so people who would remember the guy, with such a common name.

(Hey wait a minute .. if he was on the Wolves, I’d be messing up that name twice a week! Nobody wants that!)

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Written by someone who doesn’t think money matters.

We traded to get the rights to Malik and Juancho, but we wouldn’t have them now if we didn’t spend $21 mil this year, and $22 next year. We wouldn’t have been able to trade James Johnson for Rubio if we weren’t willing to pay Rubio an additional $18 mil next year. Heck, if I recall, those moves that year added more salary too - salary that put us just into the lux.

Gersson should get credit for drafting McDaniels, and probably Bolmaro too. However, if you throw tens of millions of dollars into a deal, you should get better talent.

[Slim Tubby]

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Written by someone who doesn’t think money matters.

We traded to get the rights to Malik and Juancho, but we wouldn’t have them now if we didn’t spend $21 mil this year, and $22 next year. We wouldn’t have been able to trade James Johnson for Rubio if we weren’t willing to pay Rubio an additional $18 mil next year. Heck, if I recall, those moves that year added more salary too - salary that put us just into the lux.

Gersson should get credit for drafting McDaniels, and probably Bolmaro too. However, if you throw tens of millions of dollars into a deal, you should get better talent.

It’s a fair comment about the extra cash involved. However, all GM’s and Owners play/pay under the same rules and it’s still an impressive upgrade in overall talent/depth. Your logic is spot on, though.


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[karch34]

I saw this on the Trade Board, and I like it.

Malik Beasley for Maxi Kleber and #18 Josh Green

Kleber seems like a great fit, because he does a lot of the things we need. He shot 41% 3P last year, and …



Josh Green was one of the best defenders in last year’s draft. He is a poor shooter so far, but if we move Okogie/Culver, he will have an immediate role, and hopefully can develop into something better than either.

Josh Green and #18 this year or Josh Green who was #18 last year?

“Who was.” I put it down so people who would remember the guy, with such a common name.

(Hey wait a minute .. if he was on the Wolves, I’d be messing up that name twice a week! Nobody wants that!)

Thanks. If it was “Jeff” Green and a late first I’d consider it as I think “Danny” Green’s shot can improve and I liked “Mean Joe” Green coming out of college for his D. As is some potential cap savings for another piece but I’d rather go other routes for front court help.

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So Beasley, Rubio, Naz Reid, Culver+2 1st rders for Simmons

I would pull the trigger. Maybe we can get Simmons+Danny Green(Sign and trade) for the above mentioned guys?

Reid has alot of potential. But i think we need a shot blocking center more. Maybe Nerlens Noel with the MLE?

They are not giving up Naz Reid. Who comes up with these ideas? How much more can we give up for a 14-7 -6 player who is being run out of town?

Lets go after Kawhi Leonard instead.

How about Rubio, Beasley, Juancho, Layman, and 1 1st for Simmons and an expiring. Juancho and Layman are studs! :") Philly could win it all with those guys.

Seriously, Philly is a better team with Rubio and Beasley. They fit Doc perfectly.

Reid's an average center, isn't particularly strong and not even that good of a defender, I'd take that deal minus a first round pick in a heartbeat.

Also you are absolutely insane if you think Kawhi Leonard who probably could have run it back with the Raptors and won another ring, and instead chose California would ever consider coming to arguably the coldest city in the NBA.

We have a better shot at Lillard because at least he's under contract.

Seriously we placed near the bottom and even if we were healthy I have a hard time seeing us even overtaking the 9th seed when fully healthy with this roster. We don't play defense for **** and our roster construction is made of the softest guys on Earth (minus Ant, McD).

Last year's rookies are really the only building blocks for the team. Everyone else is tradeable.

[Note30]

I feel a little bad for Sixers fans. I see no way they can’t trade Simmons now, when his value is at its lowest. He was a good soldier when they offered him for Harden, but he can’t be happy after Embiid threw him under the bus, and Doc didn’t defend him. PHI fans and media are harsh, and he has it coming after his performance in the playoffs. The fact that opponents can target Simmons, especially in the playoffs, will deter even more buyers. Even before the playoffs, the Rockets already showed his value isn’t as high as PHI fans want. Simmons is only going to reclaim his value if he fixes his self-confidence and improves his shooting, but it’s unlikely to happen in PHI, so the fans aren’t going to get what they want for him.

I think the basis for a deal if what moonpie proposed. Simmons goes out for the best package the team can get, some of the assets go to TOR for Lowry, and Lowry goes home to PHI. If that team is MIN, I think it’s Beasley, Rubio and a 1st, and Rubio and a 1st (or the PHI 1st) go to TOR, which saves the day for TOR who didn’t trade him. Rubio’s expiring and a 1st is better than losing Lowry for nothing, and maintains salary for future trades as an over-the-cap team. Lowry would fit well with Beasley or Curry 2.0.

I understand last summer, PHI wanting to see one more time if an emerging Embiid and Simmons could win it all, but they were never a fit. I think if PHI had traded Simmons last season, they would have gotten a much much better trade return.

They could finish 0-82 for 25 straight years and I wouldn't feel bad for them

Whys that?

[Note30]

When i read this thread i realize how delusional this fanbase is. I usted to be like that as well. But, oh boy...

"Untouchable players"...
"I never felt so confident about our future in years"

Wtf, lol

I am going to respond in the off chance you aren’t just trolling, though this seems to be the case.

Part of the disconnect here is that posters use the same words that have different personal meanings to them. For some people, “star” means a top 10 player, for others it means a top 40 player (like Zach LaVine is CHI’s star). I am not a fan of your use of the word “delusional.” And “untouchable,” is a word that gets thrown around a lot, and has different meanings to different people. To you, it may mean, “I wouldn’t trade our player for Luka Doncic!” and to others, it means they are functionally untouchable, meaning they wouldn’t get traded unless it was for an incredible overpay, which isn’t going to happen. I use the cumbersome term, “worth more to us than you,” and we have several players that probably fit that Rosas’ feels fit description, including KAT, DLo, Ant, Jaden, and Naz. These players have specific value locally because of marketing, fan interest, etc. it isn’t always about being a great player - Rosas may value Jaden and Naz more because they make him look like a smart drafter.

As for “I haven’t felt as confident in years,” take a look where we are. Many Wolves fans felt we were stuck on a losing treadmill with Wiggins. He’s finally off the team, and in the last few months, when the team got healthy, they actually started to play competitive basketball. Many felt we were on a losing treadmill if Towns didn’t improve defensively, and he is much better on that end this season. And MIN had the youngest team in the NBA, and we should expect to see growth from many players, and we are already seeing big leaps by McDaniels and Ant in their first year. I have no problem with people having this feeling.

It would have been better for you to respond to a post you disagree with, rather than make a blanket indictment about all Wolves fans. But if you really are here for the discussion, you are welcome to respond to my post respectfully.

I don't think we're much better off than when we had Wiggins. Edwards and Mc Daniels have been great and I'm so excited for us that we have them. Our core is still weak.

Russell isn't much better than Wiggins. Wiggins has arguably been Golden States most consistent player. Russell on the other hand can't even stay healthy. He's a two dimensional scorer with below average defense and ranks pretty low in BBall IQ.

Everything else is the same. If we were able to get a real top star on this team (a Giannis, Luka, Dame, Durant) level player then I would understand.

I truly believe Edwards is that guy. But if we can get one more for him to play with, we will finally be out of the doghouse/treadmill.

[King Malta]

I feel a little bad for Sixers fans. I see no way they can’t trade Simmons now, when his value is at its lowest. He was a good soldier when they offered him for Harden, but he can’t be happy after Embiid threw him under the bus, and Doc didn’t defend him. PHI fans and media are harsh, and he has it coming after his performance in the playoffs. The fact that opponents can target Simmons, especially in the playoffs, will deter even more buyers. Even before the playoffs, the Rockets already showed his value isn’t as high as PHI fans want. Simmons is only going to reclaim his value if he fixes his self-confidence and improves his shooting, but it’s unlikely to happen in PHI, so the fans aren’t going to get what they want for him.

I think the basis for a deal if what moonpie proposed. Simmons goes out for the best package the team can get, some of the assets go to TOR for Lowry, and Lowry goes home to PHI. If that team is MIN, I think it’s Beasley, Rubio and a 1st, and Rubio and a 1st (or the PHI 1st) go to TOR, which saves the day for TOR who didn’t trade him. Rubio’s expiring and a 1st is better than losing Lowry for nothing, and maintains salary for future trades as an over-the-cap team. Lowry would fit well with Beasley or Curry 2.0.

I understand last summer, PHI wanting to see one more time if an emerging Embiid and Simmons could win it all, but they were never a fit. I think if PHI had traded Simmons last season, they would have gotten a much much better trade return.

They could finish 0-82 for 25 straight years and I wouldn't feel bad for them

Whys that?

My experience has always been that Philadelphia sports is full of some of the worst fans in America.

Arrogant, Aggressive, and massive homers. Just got no time for them at all.

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They could finish 0-82 for 25 straight years and I wouldn't feel bad for them

Whys that?

My experience has always been that Philadelphia sports is full of some of the worst fans in America.

Arrogant, Aggressive, and massive homers. Just got no time for them at all.

Gotcha

[Klomp]

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Written by someone who doesn’t think money matters.

We traded to get the rights to Malik and Juancho, but we wouldn’t have them now if we didn’t spend $21 mil this year, and $22 next year. We wouldn’t have been able to trade James Johnson for Rubio if we weren’t willing to pay Rubio an additional $18 mil next year. Heck, if I recall, those moves that year added more salary too - salary that put us just into the lux.

Gersson should get credit for drafting McDaniels, and probably Bolmaro too. However, if you throw tens of millions of dollars into a deal, you should get better talent.

For that reason, Rosas never can be criticized for turning Cam Johnson and Dario Saric into Jarrett Culver.

[Klomp]

Reid's an average center, isn't particularly strong and not even that good of a defender, I'd take that deal minus a first round pick in a heartbeat.

He's a 21-year old who has averaged 20/9 per36 in his first 100 games. (Note: Naz Reid still wouldn't stop me from trading for Ben Simmons, but he's not average)

[Norseman79]

My guess is Rosas and co. have this set up in three tiers, especially in regards to a trade....tier 1 dream targets, tier 2 starter upgrades tier 3 depth/role players

As we stand right now, my depth chart looks like this

PG - Russell, Rubio, (Balmaro size dep.), Jor M
SG - Ant, Beasley, Nowell, Okoge
SF - McDaniels, Balmaro (if actually 6'8), Culver
PF - ?????, Vanderbilt, Juancho, Layman
C. - Towns, Reid, ????, Davis

We could debate who is where all day, but this seems fairly accurate.
I believe Finch is looking to play bigger than Saunders was, but that doesn't mean he wants to give up running and spacing the floor. I believe a majority of this board gets that as well with names like Simmons, Turner, Bagley being floated. For many, Simmons (despite his deficiency) is the dream, others like Turner or guys like Grant. No matter what way we go, I don't see us giving up assets just to make a trade. We know who tier 1 targets are....who are the tier 2 ones? Who provides a solid starting 4 that isn't undersized and won't rob our depth? Again, not the top tier guys, the level below.

[Klomp]

I will continue to say this, Towns, Edwards and Russell are off-limits in Simmons trade discussions (call them untouchable in these scenarios, if you wish).

For salary-matching purposes, Rubio and Beasley are both likely to be sent out in any deal.

After that, I view McDaniels, Bolmaro, Reid, Nowell and picks as the next level of assets Philadelphia (or a third team) will be interested in. We will probably need to include at least one to three of them in the deal, but which assets the other team chooses will determine how many we should ideally include in the trade. For example, I wouldn't send out as many picks with Reid as I would with Nowell.

Pieces like Okogie, Layman, Culver or Hernangomez can be added where needed if a team wants. Also could possibly see a S/T for McLaughlin or Vanderbilt involved.