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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#41 » by AussieRaptor » Wed Jul 7, 2021 10:04 am

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This is the draft every year tbh. The lottery is full of busts and some really good players get picked later on. Its a crapshoot.


Yep. This is why I’m surprised people are so gung-ho on the top 4 this draft. Everyone seems overly confident, as if they’re all destined to be perennial All-Stars. When looking back on this draft in future, I can almost guarantee that at least one or more of these “can’t miss prospects” will bust or severely disappoint. There will also be a handful of players selected later in the draft that will have been “overlooked” and be seen as steals. This happens every year.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#42 » by Risk101 » Wed Jul 7, 2021 10:37 am

Possible second round pick. Also Mobley has touched down lol

The Toronto Raptors are hoping and praying that a player with elite talent inevitably slips into their drafting range, as they own two consecutive second-round picks in the middle of that round. While he didn’t show his skills as frequently as some scouts would like, UCLA’s Johnny Juzang proved that he is worthy of a shot in the NBA.

Juzang posted on his Instagram story that he is in Tampa. Considering the fact that USC forward Isaiah Mobley, the older brother of fellow Trojan and potential Raptors selection at pick No. 4 Evan Mobley, was seen with him on Instagram, that strongly suggests that Juzang and Mobley were both there on pre-draft visits.


https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/07/06/raptors-march-hero-johnny-juzang-tampa-draft-business/





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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#43 » by Risk101 » Wed Jul 7, 2021 12:07 pm

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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#44 » by Preliudas » Wed Jul 7, 2021 12:25 pm

Interesting, Kevin O'Connor from The Ringer just updated NBA mock draft where he moved Suggs to spot #3 and dropped Jalen Green to #4 spot.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.161596604.1061802331.1625659740-395123828.1625085963
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#45 » by Risk101 » Wed Jul 7, 2021 12:43 pm

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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#46 » by WuTang_OG » Wed Jul 7, 2021 12:51 pm

Preliudas wrote:Interesting, Kevin O'Connor from The Ringer just updated NBA mock draft where he moved Suggs to spot #3 and dropped Jalen Green to #4 spot.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.161596604.1061802331.1625659740-395123828.1625085963


That's the big board, not the mock draft.

Mock draft still has Suggs at 4.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#47 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Jul 7, 2021 12:54 pm

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Only 4 teams wants Cade and Toronto isn't one of them. Also Detroit leaking this out tells you they don't really want him, either.
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Post#48 » by Clutch0z24 » Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:03 pm

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Only 4 teams wants Cade and Toronto isn't one of them. Also Detroit leaking this out tells you they don't really want him, either.


I think its possible they want Green and want to see what they can get from Rockets for a potential swap....With this deep of a draft its possible Green becomes a better player than Cade in the Future....But things will get interesting i think Raps are happy standing pat at 4 atm
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#49 » by douggood » Wed Jul 7, 2021 1:19 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Risk101 wrote:
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Only 4 teams wants Cade and Toronto isn't one of them. Also Detroit leaking this out tells you they don't really want him, either.


I think its possible they want Green and want to see what they can get from Rockets for a potential swap....With this deep of a draft its possible Green becomes a better player than Cade in the Future....But things will get interesting i think Raps are happy standing pat at 4 atm


this is the article realgm is quoting, and in there it says mobley would be Pistons potential target.
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31770784/big-nba-draft-2021-questions-no-1-locked-looking-trade

Detroit is comfortable standing pat at No. 1 and taking Cunningham but will be active in exploring the possibility of trading down and obtaining additional assets, with Mobley a potential target if something gets done.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#50 » by DG88 » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:08 pm

Preliudas wrote:Interesting, Kevin O'Connor from The Ringer just updated NBA mock draft where he moved Suggs to spot #3 and dropped Jalen Green to #4 spot.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/?_ga=2.161596604.1061802331.1625659740-395123828.1625085963

You linked his big board not his mock draft he still has Suggs going to the Raptors

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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#51 » by DG88 » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:12 pm

New mock draft from Johnathan Wasserman

Plenty of changes have been made to Bleacher Report's latest 2021 mock draft board after the NBA draft community gathered in Chicago for the combine.

Scouts and executives didn't travel this season like they normally would, so teams may have put a little more stock into drills and scrimmages, both of which were competitive.

I've spoken with scouts over the past two weeks to get an updated sense on how the draft could play out.


1. Detroit Pistons: Cade Cunningham (Oklahoma State, PG/SG, Freshman)
1 OF 15

There is noise about the Detroit Pistons considering multiple prospects. But they'll wind up taking the player every scout expected to go No. 1 all season.

Sources say certain Pistons staff members were initially informed that Cade Cunningham would be the pick. Aside from most agreeing he's the top prospect, his fit and archetype are ideal for the Pistons, who could use a high-level creator to initiate offense.

An advanced scorer and passer, Cunningham could take pressure off Killian Hayes and give the Pistons another shooting threat next to Saddiq Bey.

2. Houston Rockets: Jalen Green (G League Ignite, SG, 2002)
2 OF 15

The Houston Rockets will debate Jalen Green, Evan Mobley and Jalen Suggs. But for this particular group, Green's ability to create for himself and activate takeover scoring could give him an edge.

After he averaged 17.9 points on 36.5 percent shooting from three in the G League bubble, scouts find it easier to picture an elite scorer than it is to see an All-Star lead guard in Suggs.

And the Rockets could value a potential quality, No. 1 option over a defensive ace like Mobley. Green and Kevin Porter Jr. could be interchangeable wings and give Houston two high-level athletes and shot-makers.

3. Cleveland Cavaliers: Evan Mobley (USC, PF/C, Freshman)
3 OF 15

The Cleveland Cavaliers should find it easier to build with Evan Mobley than Jalen Suggs for a roster with Darius Garland and Collin Sexton.

Given Mobley's lateral quickness for defensive versatility and comfort level handling the ball and spotting up, the Cavaliers could think about using him as a big 4 if they still plan to re-sign Jarrett Allen. Or, they could choose not to offer Allen an enormous contract and instead build with Mobley at center.

Cleveland should value his rim protection and general defensive court coverage. But his offensive upside is also a selling point. A best-case outcome for Mobley looks like a high-percentage finisher who can also stretch the floor, attack closeouts and score on the move with his pull-up and floater.

4. Toronto Raptors: Jalen Suggs (Gonzaga, PG, Freshman)
4 OF 15

Coming off a 27-win season, the Toronto Raptors may hesitate to commit more years and money to 35-year-old Kyle Lowry in free agency. Jalen Suggs is a sensible replacement and pick here at No. 4 with Cade Cunningham, Jalen Green and Evan Mobley off the board.

Suggs could give the lineup more pace and athleticism in the open floor. And given his comfort level splitting ball-handling duties at Gonzaga, there shouldn't be any concerns about a fit with Fred VanVleet.

The Raptors will surely look at Jonathan Kuminga, and Scottie Barnes has become a trending name weeks before the draft. Barnes is more interesting for his potential to play small-ball 5 with Pascal Siakam. But until we hear that he blows Toronto away with workouts and interviews, Suggs is the safer projection.

5. Orlando Magic: Jonathan Kuminga (G League Ignite, F, 2002)
5 OF 15

The Orlando Magic will debate a few names in the best-player-available discussion, including Scottie Barnes and James Bouknight. But Jonathan Kuminga's archetype and upside may be difficult for Orlando to resist.

He'd give the Magic a strong, athletic scoring wing or combo forward with more creation skill compared to Chuma Okeke. He didn't shoot well percentage-wise in the bubble, but teams sounded encouraged by his jumper following a solid pro day. And for an 18-year-old with clear shot-making ability, the Magic should be willing to bet on improvement.

Between Okeke, Kuminga and Jonathan Isaac, the Magic would have plenty of versatility and defensive tools for their frontcourt.

6. Oklahoma City Thunder: Scottie Barnes (Florida State, F, Freshman)
6 OF 15

The draft becomes more unpredictable at around picks No. 5 and No. 6, where the best-player-available discussion includes a handful of names. The Oklahoma City Thunder are too far away from title contention to worry about fit and could see Scottie Barnes as a unique talent with a skill set that's difficult to replicate.

At 6'8" with a 7'3" wingspan, Barnes operates as a playmaking forward with All-Defensive Team upside. Improving his shooting will be an obvious priority, but scouts still see outlier-star potential tied to his passing, defensive versatility, length around the basket and intangibles.

A Barnes-Aleksej Pokusevski pairing could eventually be difficult for opponents to answer based on their physical tools and unusual skill sets.

7. Golden State Warriors: James Bouknight (Connecticut, SG, Sophomore)
7 OF 15

Scouts have raved about James Bouknight's pro day and shooting display. And it's starting to seem like he'll be one of the most enticing names outside the top five.

If he's able to squash concerns about his three-point percentages at Connecticut, he could be a target for the Golden State Warriors, who'd value Bouknight's skill set for creating his own shot.

The Warriors would use him as a second-unit scorer at first, but there is enough upside tied to his athleticism, handles and shot-making for Bouknight to eventually start between Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson.

8. Orlando Magic (via Bulls): Davion Mitchell (Baylor, PG/SG, Junior)
8 OF 15

If the Orlando Magic use the No. 5 pick to improve their frontcourt, they could add Davion Mitchell to a backcourt that already includes interchangeable guards.

Orlando could instantly use Mitchell to put pressure on opponents with his blow-by explosion and tough defense. But it was his improved creation, shooting and playmaking that launched him into the top-10 mix.

Adding Mitchell to Cole Anthony, Markelle Fultz and R.J. Hampton could lead to healthy competition for the starting jobs.

9. Sacramento Kings: Kai Jones (Texas, PF/C, Sophomore)
9 OF 15

Scouts can see Kai Jones cracking the top 10. The Sacramento Kings, who need defense, are set in the backcourt and haven't been able to count on Marvin Bagley III's health, are a possible fit.

Jones' ability to comfortably switch and guard wings at 6'11" has led to defensive comparisons to Jonathan Isaac. Offensively, even without substantial skill development, the Kings can still bank on his athleticism and motor for easy baskets.

But Jones' flashes of shooting and slashing suggest there is more scoring potential for the Kings to eventually unlock.

10. New Orleans Pelicans: Keon Johnson (Tennessee, SG/SF, Freshman)
10 OF 15

Keon Johnson had teams talking after his 48-inch max vertical at the NBA combine. Athletic ability and motor set him apart. The New Orleans Pelicans should be drawn to his defense first, though drafting him top 10 means accepting a limited creator and shooter early on.

However, he did flash glimpses of mid-range and post scoring, as well as secondary playmaking potential.

With Josh Hart and James Johnson set to hit free agency, the Pelicans could see Johnson as a plug-and-play defensive energizer with room to improve his ball-handling and jumper.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2945473-updated-2021-nba-mock-draft-with-latest-prospect-buzz
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#52 » by mtcan » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:19 pm

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Only 4 teams wants Cade and Toronto isn't one of them. Also Detroit leaking this out tells you they don't really want him, either.

Raptors likely made calls as well but they are a bit too far down the draft order...and the Raptors front office moves in stealth so no leaks to the media.

Pistons would want to control who they take and at #4 there is no certainty as to who they would end up with.

Ideally Detroit falls in love with Mobley and takes him #1 or trades down to #2.

I can Cleveland looking to trade up to #1...and offers Sexton and #3 to Detroit.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#53 » by Jadoogar » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:29 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
T-d0t wrote:Can't see guys like Mitchell, Kispert and Keon going that high

All 3 in my opinion don't belong in the lottery and maybe not even in the top 25.


Nah people bank too much on potential. Kispert imo has a very clear path to success in the league. He has an extremely high floor, should be valuable right away and shooters are in high demand. You don't think the Warriors or Pelicans could use a knockdown shooter?

For some teams, it's smart to just take the safe player who has a clear role rather than drafting Papagiannis.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#54 » by Jerry Lucas » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:31 pm

mtcan wrote:
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Only 4 teams wants Cade and Toronto isn't one of them. Also Detroit leaking this out tells you they don't really want him, either.

Raptors likely made calls as well but they are a bit too far down the draft order...and the Raptors front office moves in stealth so no leaks to the media.

Pistons would want to control who they take and at #4 there is no certainty as to who they would end up with.

Ideally Detroit falls in love with Mobley and takes him #1 or trades down to #2.

I can Cleveland looking to trade up to #1...and offers Sexton and #3 to Detroit.

If the Pistons trade down with the Cavs with Mobley specifically in mind as the new ESPN article suggests, they are risking the Rockets taking Mobley 2nd. Still no one has a single clue what the Rockets are gonna do, it's all other execs saying "this is what I would do if I was running the Rockets." I think Houston would also be more motivated to trade up for Cade, and from Detroit's end trading down with Houston would guarantee them their target in Mobley.

1. Cade to Houston (from Detroit)
2. Mobley to Detroit (from Houston)
3. Suggs to Cavs (trade Sexton for a starting forward of similar caliber, Garland moves back to the 2 where he belongs)
4. Green to Raps 8-)
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#55 » by Jadoogar » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:33 pm

C_Money wrote:
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This is the draft every year tbh. The lottery is full of busts and some really good players get picked later on. Its a crapshoot.


Nah there are definitely some drafts that are top heavy.
2018 for example had Ayton, Luka, JJJ, Trae and Sexton as 5 of the top 6 picks. There were good players taken after like SGA, Bridges and Michael Porter Jr, there always will be whether due to talent, injury or fit.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#56 » by DelAbbot » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:45 pm

NBADraft.net and
https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-draft/nba-draft-prospects

recently mocked Cleveland passing on Green to select Suggs #3. Is there any reason for that? Green fits better than Suggs for Cleveland's roster even if they trade away Sexton.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#57 » by WuTang_OG » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:52 pm

Jerry Lucas wrote:
mtcan wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Only 4 teams wants Cade and Toronto isn't one of them. Also Detroit leaking this out tells you they don't really want him, either.

Raptors likely made calls as well but they are a bit too far down the draft order...and the Raptors front office moves in stealth so no leaks to the media.

Pistons would want to control who they take and at #4 there is no certainty as to who they would end up with.

Ideally Detroit falls in love with Mobley and takes him #1 or trades down to #2.

I can Cleveland looking to trade up to #1...and offers Sexton and #3 to Detroit.

If the Pistons trade down with the Cavs with Mobley specifically in mind as the new ESPN article suggests, they are risking the Rockets taking Mobley 2nd. Still no one has a single clue what the Rockets are gonna do, it's all other execs saying "this is what I would do if I was running the Rockets." I think Houston would also be more motivated to trade up for Cade, and from Detroit's end trading down with Houston would guarantee them their target in Mobley.

1. Cade to Houston (from Detroit)
2. Mobley to Detroit (from Houston)
3. Suggs to Cavs (trade Sexton for a starting forward of similar caliber, Garland moves back to the 2 where he belongs)
4. Green to Raps 8-)


Detroit wants Jalen Green. They've been enamored with him before lottery.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#58 » by ItsDanger » Wed Jul 7, 2021 2:57 pm

Cade drops to #4. What do you do?

1) Panic and draft Barnes.

2) Draft Cade with confidence.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#59 » by mtcan » Wed Jul 7, 2021 3:02 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Cade drops to #4. What do you do?

1) Panic and draft Barnes.

2) Draft Cade with confidence.

3) Trade with OKC for #6, 16 and 18...lol
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#60 » by OAKLEY_2 » Wed Jul 7, 2021 3:07 pm

AussieRaptor wrote:
C_Money wrote:
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This is the draft every year tbh. The lottery is full of busts and some really good players get picked later on. Its a crapshoot.


Yep. This is why I’m surprised people are so gung-ho on the top 4 this draft. Everyone seems overly confident, as if they’re all destined to be perennial All-Stars. When looking back on this draft in future, I can almost guarantee that at least one or more of these “can’t miss prospects” will bust or severely disappoint. There will also be a handful of players selected later in the draft that will have been “overlooked” and be seen as steals. This happens every year.


Could that be attributed to drinking too much koolaid on "upside" picks? Hmmmm.

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