Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

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Cade and Suggs used to be the same height back then. When they played for the national team. Cade was like maybe a half an inch taller.

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Man this is basically like the Boucher story:

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[Mack11]

Good to see they're still asking stupid questions.

LOL it still amazes me every year that this question is always asked.

It's basically, will you select an inferior player that plays another position?

You'd think after drafting Rafael Araujo, they would have learned their lesson and this question wouldnt be asked especially that Lowry is 35 years old lol. Who gives a **** whos on the roster, always draft the best player available its that simple

[DG88]

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Thanks for sharing, I hadn't watched this video of Suggs with the national team (I've watched a ton!)

This one highlighted some of that football athleticism, especially on drives and finishing through contact. He's just really strong on his feet.

Also better spacing on the court, you can see he can get to where he wants.

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This game shows all Jalen's skills.

Ziaire Williams was completely invisible

[Asif16]

Jalen Sugg's shooting wont be a problem translating over to the NBA.

Even though he isn't known as a elite shooter, you can tell just off his shooting Mechanics that he's only gonna get better. He'll be above average for his career for sure.

Just look at what we did with OG's 3pt shooting

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Suggs has been playing big games for awhile now.

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Thanks for sharing, I hadn't watched this video of Suggs with the national team (I've watched a ton!)

This one highlighted some of that football athleticism, especially on drives and finishing through contact. He's just really strong on his feet.

Also better spacing on the court, you can see he can get to where he wants.

Love that burst at 0:18 when he goes Safety-mode to get to the ball first.

I'm not sure people appreciate that he was scouted at an elite level for both QB and Safety/Defensive Back by Division 1 programs. Basically he combines the mental agility and vision of a QB with the explosiveness and speed of a gap-closing defensive player. First person to win Mr. Basketball and Mr. Football at the same time in his home State of Minny.

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Thanks for sharing, I hadn't watched this video of Suggs with the national team (I've watched a ton!)

This one highlighted some of that football athleticism, especially on drives and finishing through contact. He's just really strong on his feet.

Also better spacing on the court, you can see he can get to where he wants.

Love that burst at 0:18 when he goes Safety-mode to get to the ball first.

I'm not sure people appreciate that he was scouted at an elite level for both QB and Safety/Defensive Back by Division 1 programs. Basically he combines the mental agility and vision of a QB with the explosiveness and speed of a gap-closing defensive player. First person to win Mr. Basketball and Mr. Football at the same time in his home State of Minny.

He makes winning plays in big moments.

I hate how people around here are so quick to say that Suggs' ceiling isn't has high as the other guys in the top 4...because why? His upside is as great as Green and Mobley. These guys are all 20 years of age or will be in the calendar year...to say that one guy will max out sooner than others is premature and judging the book by only its cover.

[Dalek]

Jalen Sugg's shooting wont be a problem translating over to the NBA.

Even though he isn't known as a elite shooter, you can tell just off his shooting Mechanics that he's only gonna get better. He'll be above average for his career for sure.

Just look at what we did with OG's 3pt shooting

In February, he had a five game stretch where he didn't make a three and overall he shot 26% from three. He only shot 28% from three in the NCAA tournament. It is just my observation, but it seems like he has a tendency to abandon his jumper in favor of passing to teammates. Maybe he lost a bit of confidence, but it is weird that since a game high number of three attempts at Iowa (10), he barely eclipsed 10 or more attempts only in extreme situations in conference and tournament play.

I think from what I have watched he is not clean at gaining separation on step-backs or side-step threes.

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He hits a shot here, and it was his best shooting game against Iowa, but he is a bit slow with his footwork and getting the shot off. I think he would be easily contested at the next level.

His pull-up will also need to sped up a bit. It looks a little like a two shot motion in this clip:

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Beyond self-creation, he is not a great shooter off the catch. He was something like 35th percentile. So he needs major work as a shooter.

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hell naw.

[OakleyDokely]

Suggs shot 75% from the line and his mechanics look solid. I think the 3 comes around with more repetition.

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OKC wanting to trade up from #6 to #4 while Toronto’s on the clock would mean they want a player there who they think Orlando wants at #5. OKC and Orlando would be fighting for a player.

So Toronto could play the teams off one another, and should do if they think their guy(Suggs?) will be there at #6 in any event. Suggs isn’t long enough for Presti and you can’t spell Kuminga without magiK, neither would take Suggs I don’t think. So who wants #4 more?

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Jalen Sugg's shooting wont be a problem translating over to the NBA.

Even though he isn't known as a elite shooter, you can tell just off his shooting Mechanics that he's only gonna get better. He'll be above average for his career for sure.

Just look at what we did with OG's 3pt shooting

Same with Jordan and Kobe right? Or maybe they just didn't work hard enough?

75% FT is decent but not great.

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https://www.raptorshq.com/2021/7/6/22562516/nba-draft-2021-toronto-raptors-evan-mobley-scouting-report

Could Evan Mobley fall to the Raptors? It’s a question we have to ask given Toronto’s current need for a starting (and starring) centre and Mobley’s status as the best big man in the 2021 NBA Draft class.

The biggest variables are represented, of course, by the Houston Rockets and Cleveland Cavaliers who hold picks number two and three. With Cade Cunningham a lock at number one, Mobley’s destination will come down to how these two teams see the remaining prospects.

To summarize: Jalen Suggs is a much better fit for the Houston Rockets since they clearly don’t operate on John Wall’s timeline anymore. There’s also some duplication between Christian Wood and Evan Mobley, and the same thing could be said of Kevin Porter Jr. and Jalen Green. However, Green and Mobley might be a better fit for their run-and-gun offense though. Meanwhile, the Cavaliers have invested in Jarrett Allen. Can they play both him and Mobley? As for the guard/wing options, they also already have Colin Sexton, Darius Garland, and Isaac Okoro — so what place would Suggs or Green have?

There are just enough questions above to open the door on the idea of the Raptors getting a chance to select Mobley. Yes, it remains unlikely, but not improbable. In that spirit, let’s take a look at what Mobley can do — and what he would bring to Toronto.

Evan Mobley
Age: 20
Height: 7’0”
Wingspan: 7’4”
Team: USC (Freshman)
College Stats: 16.4 PTS (57.8%), 30% 3P%, 8.7 REB, 2.4 AST, 2.2 TO, 2.9 BLK

Why Evan?
Almost every year, we hear of players with what I’ll call the “Chris Bosh starter pack”. This is how NBA Draft analysis is done, comparing upcoming players with ones we already know. In this case, that description is typically reserved for long, skinny, and nimble frontcourt prospects. Often it applies to raw and lefty players in particular. And sadly, not many (or any?) of these prospects live up to the description. (As we know, there was only one Bosh.)

Enter Mobley, who, despite being a righty, is getting compared to Chris Bosh. Their measurements are close, with Mobley just a bit taller and longer, but the similarities don’t end there. They’re both slender, and light on their feet, which they both use to their advantage — on both ends of the court.

Both players have excellent touch around the rim, up to the short-range. Mobley is probably more advanced than Bosh at the same age as he can finish going left or right with either hand. Much like Bosh though, it’s easy to project that Mobley will keep increasing his range. He’s able to shoot the three now, and there’s little doubt that will be part of his NBA repertoire in full.


So what about the difference between Mobley and our stand-in comp, Bosh? The signs so far are good. For one, Mobley is a better passer (in both recognition and execution) than Bosh was at the same age. In college, Mobley was allowed to make passes in many situations, e.g. drive-and-kicks, short rolls, and in the high post, which helped develop that part of his game. He’s also entering the league with a much better handle, which should be good enough against most centres in the NBA. Finally, Mobley definitely looks to have a quicker bounce than Bosh, whether he’s getting the ball in the dunker’s spot or on drives, Mobley can get up real quick.

All in all, while time will tell if Mobley can actually surpass Bosh in his career, the abilities are there.




I think Mobley’s ceiling is high enough that he could develop to be a 1B player on a playoff team. His ultimate ceiling will likely come down to how well he (and his team) can expand his offensive game — and if he can be strong enough to play as a centre. Mobley does have an empty canvas feel with the basic fundamental skill set. It feels like he could basically learn any skill and apply it in the NBA.



Raptors Fit
This is an easy answer. Mobley fills the big gaping hole in the middle of the lineup for the Raptors. People might say, “but wait, he’s too skinny to play that position right now.” Technically, that’s true. But teams have been downsizing at that position. Outside of Joel Embiid, there’s really nobody out there who can punish him much. Some Raptors fans might remember this, but the Raptors threw Chris Bosh to the wolves to play centre during his rookie season. It wasn’t pretty at times due to the physicality of the era, but he held his own for the most part.


As mentioned above, the Raptors have the defensive schemes to support Mobley at the position. He’s best right now playing drop coverage, as his length, quickness allows him to “cheat” the coverage and instantly commit either way. He’s also capable of switches, and his rotation off hedges shows a lot of promise. Mobley quickly recognizes the immediate rotation (which is not necessarily just crashing the paint as traditional bigs do) and has the foot speed to get there quickly. Aside from weight/strength, he pretty much checks the list of must-haves for a Raptors big man.

Mobley’s addition should allow Pascal Siakam and OG Anunoby to slide back to their natural position and terrorize opposing players outside the paint. If the Raptors end up re-signing Khem Birch, it would make sense to bring Mobley off the bench as he gradually takes over the starting role.

On offense, Mobley is an excellent vertical threat, whether he’s at the dunker’s spot or via rolls to the basket. He can space a little bit and cut to the basket or crash the boards from a distance. Mobley is able to operate in the pick-and-roll, which will be important if he ends up paired with second-year guard Malachi Flynn. That’s a young tandem that could work well together if given a chance.

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[goinrogue]

Am I the only one who thinks the raps aren’t looking at Suggs? I think Mobley is at the top of their wish list followed by either Barnes or kuminga.

[Odie29]

Am I the only one who thinks the raps aren’t looking at Suggs? I think Mobley is at the top of their wish list followed by either Barnes or kuminga.

Out of curiosity what is this based on?

[WuTang_OG]

Am I the only one who thinks the raps aren’t looking at Suggs? I think Mobley is at the top of their wish list followed by either Barnes or kuminga.

I have no doubt that Mobley is #1 on their list and someone realistically that could drop to 4.

But Suggs, Green, Kuminga are all getting consideration as they should. Standard practise.