Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[canada_dry]

Jalen Suggs.

Imma continue to speak it into existence a la LaVar Ball!

Makes the both of us, however some of the posters are now on the Scottie Barnes or Kuminga train, likely influenced by some of the American "experts" who wish Toronto passes on Suggs. Do not buy their propaganda. Suggs to me is the second best prospect in the draft. Looking forward to seeing him in a Raptors jersey.

Not everything is an anti Canadian conspiracy...lol

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[Los_29]

I'll never forget how pissed celtics fans were when they took a raw jaylen brown when a majority of big boards had bender and kriss dunn (a lot had marquese chriss too) ranked ahead of him. Stop being so close minded

I agree. The reality is there are no guarantees in this draft. All of the players in the top 4 have some glaring weaknesses that they need to address. If they don't address those then I can't see any of them being a franchise player. I would not be shocked at all if the FO go off the board so to speak and draft someone else at 4. Or maybe they trade down.

[Bruin]

If we decide to go for a swing for the fences pick outside the top 4 guys, I only like Kuminga

I was high on him before the season started and still think he’d be great in our development. I won’t be upset with the pick especially considering how young he is, but I’d rather Suggs

If we do end up somehow picking Kuminga, I hope it comes with a Siakam trade. A prospect like Kuminga needs legit play time to develop and he’s gonna struggle behind OG and Siakam

I do feel Masai is definitely taking a very good look at him given the African connection

[vulture]

My only point here is that we know that we have a great front office who will make the right call.
Despite how good these guys are, they might get it wrong too.

[WuTang_OG]

If we decide to go for a swing for the fences pick outside the top 4 guys, I only like Kuminga

I was high on him before the season started and still think he’d be great in our development. I won’t be upset with the pick especially considering how young he is, but I’d rather Suggs

If we do end up somehow picking Kuminga, I hope it comes with a Siakam trade. A prospect like Kuminga needs legit play time to develop and he’s gonna struggle behind OG and Siakam

I do feel Masai is definitely taking a very good look at him given the African connection

Why wouldn't they throw out FVV, OG, Kuminga, Siakam? I think if you take Kuminga, the upside is making a 2-3-4 defensive wall on the wing. With that length and athletism, that could be a nightmare if they really like Kuminga. Plus Brooklyn and Celtics all have elite wing scorers.

Siakam isnt going anywhere imo. Not for at least another year to see how things shape up and with the bubble/covid restrictions excuses gone.

[Bruin]

If we decide to go for a swing for the fences pick outside the top 4 guys, I only like Kuminga

I was high on him before the season started and still think he’d be great in our development. I won’t be upset with the pick especially considering how young he is, but I’d rather Suggs

If we do end up somehow picking Kuminga, I hope it comes with a Siakam trade. A prospect like Kuminga needs legit play time to develop and he’s gonna struggle behind OG and Siakam

I do feel Masai is definitely taking a very good look at him given the African connection

Why wouldn't they throw out FVV, OG, Kuminga, Siakam? I think if you take Kuminga, the upside is making a 2-3-4 defensive wall on the wing.

Siakam isnt going anywhere imo. Not for at least another year to see how things shape up and with the bubble/covid restrictions excuses gone.

I just don’t really like the idea of playing OG at the 2.

The Upside of that 2-3-4 lineup would be high but Idk how well OG can handle the 2. Especially if Fred is the 1. If we had a playmaking pass first PG, it might work

[planetmars]

Is Kuminga a gym rat? Anyone know if he likes playing/working hard? Part of what made Brown so good was he was he worked on his craft. Problem I have with Kuminga is that his G-league stats were worse than Doumbouya's. And he's no world beater. Of course Sekou was 19 in his first year, and Kuminga was 18 this season.

He's the perfect guy for a team that's starting from scratch as opposed to a team that wants to win now. If we reach for a guy it'll be Barnes, not Kuminga IMO.

[Psubs]

Isn't Kuminga a bigger Anthony Edwards?

[Federalies]

I do find it more than mildly amusing that our armchair talent evaluators think that after a few minutes or hours of “watching tape” they’ve discovered the holy grail of insight that all the experts somehow overlooked?

If Mr. Suggs has such a rudimentary handle and lack of creation, why was he named Mr. Baketball in his state, why did he win 3 gold medals as the lead guard on USA junior teams with Cade, Green, Barnes etc? Why did the consensus #1 college team recruit and hand the reigns over to a rookie who led them to a near undefeated season if he was so…average? Why do experts mock him to the Raptors at 4 while having Suggs #2 on their big boards?

I’ll admit I personally like the Suggs fit on our team. He may not be as tall as Cade but he is 4” taller then the GROAT, he may not be an above the rim athlete but he’s plenty athletic in a Raptors kind of smash mouth way, he may not have scored almost 18 points per game over an amazingly taxing 15 game Gleague season but he did score over 14 per playing on a stacked team with a 50.3 FG%, he may not guard 1-5 but he can lock down 1-2 (which seems important). All this to say, Jalen Suggs doesn’t need to be your favourite player or pick but let’s not pretend he’s a scrub who’ll wash out of the league like Darko.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-nba-draft-jalen-suggs-special-corey-kispert?jwsource=cl

[MainEvent]

Watch on YouTube

[CanadaB-Ball]

I bet it was Moody/Giddey (and Springer too).

Giddey for sure, you dont waste 2 scouts on a trip to Australia deal with quarantine and stuff for in person visit if they didn't already like what they saw on video.

Yes, u do. You cover every player and watch them live at every opportunity at least once.

Giddey has zero defense and a terrible shot.

Highly doubt he was the pick at 7/8. Raps love taller play making guards hence the drafting of Delon and the targeting SGA.

But going with a slow, non defending player at an important position like PG seems unlikely.

I’m quoting this for posterity.

In ten years Giddey will be considered one of the best players to come out of this draft.

[vulture]

This is what I'm seeing overall for these prospects:
mobley - Highest outcome is 2nd best defensive player on a championship team and 3rd best offensive player if his jumper translates
Lowest outcome is bench big on a championship team

Green- Highest outcome is 2nd or 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if his playmaking improves quite a bit and 4th or 5th best defensive player if he gets in a good system
Lowest outcome is 4th guard on a championship team so basically a bench guard

Suggs- Highest outcome is 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if the shooting is above average and 2nd or 3rd best defensive player on a championship team
Lowest outcome is Backup guard at both the 1 and 2 on a championship team.

Barnes: Highest outcome is 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if the shooting is average and 2nd defensive player on a championship especially if he can play small ball 5
Lowest outcome is low end starter on championship because of his passing and defensive versatility

Overall, I just don't see anyone with superstar potential here so hopeful these guys reach their highest outcomes.

[billy_hoyle]

If we decide to go for a swing for the fences pick outside the top 4 guys, I only like Kuminga

I was high on him before the season started and still think he’d be great in our development. I won’t be upset with the pick especially considering how young he is, but I’d rather Suggs

If we do end up somehow picking Kuminga, I hope it comes with a Siakam trade. A prospect like Kuminga needs legit play time to develop and he’s gonna struggle behind OG and Siakam

I do feel Masai is definitely taking a very good look at him given the African connection

Why wouldn't they throw out FVV, OG, Kuminga, Siakam? I think if you take Kuminga, the upside is making a 2-3-4 defensive wall on the wing.

Siakam isnt going anywhere imo. Not for at least another year to see how things shape up and with the bubble/covid restrictions excuses gone.

I just don’t really like the idea of playing OG at the 2.

The Upside of that 2-3-4 lineup would be high but Idk how well OG can handle the 2. Especially if Fred is the 1. If we had a playmaking pass first PG, it might work

Isn't Kuminga the 2 in this scenario? He's 6'6 or 6'7 and he definately weighs less than OG right?

What were Kobe and VCs measurments?

I thought we wanted to get bigger, especially in the backcourt

[WuTang_OG]

Giddey for sure, you dont waste 2 scouts on a trip to Australia deal with quarantine and stuff for in person visit if they didn't already like what they saw on video.

Yes, u do. You cover every player and watch them live at every opportunity at least once.

Giddey has zero defense and a terrible shot.

Highly doubt he was the pick at 7/8. Raps love taller play making guards hence the drafting of Delon and the targeting SGA.

But going with a slow, non defending player at an important position like PG seems unlikely.

I’m quoting this for posterity.

In ten years Giddey will be considered one of the best players to come out of this draft.

I want what you're smoking

[Raps in 4]

I want Suggs. "Upside" be damned I swear alot of us armchair warriors would rather plan trade for 95 percent upside at 5 percent realization. Not saying Mobley and Green is that scenario but guess what, Suggs has a rock solid floor and plenty of upside to be a superstar. You give me MY pick if all 3 of em were available, I'd pick Suggs each and every time.

Body contortion of Derek Rose.
Speed of D'aron Fox
Bulldog mentality of Jason Kidd
With better shooting mechanics then all 3.
That's plenty of upside for me.
This guy was meant to a raptor.

The realization rate for prospects on this team is high. What might be a 25% chance on the Rockets or Cavs is a 90% chance with us. I'd be shocked if Mobley or Green didn't become top-10 players under our coaching staff/management.

[WuTang_OG]

Why wouldn't they throw out FVV, OG, Kuminga, Siakam? I think if you take Kuminga, the upside is making a 2-3-4 defensive wall on the wing.

Siakam isnt going anywhere imo. Not for at least another year to see how things shape up and with the bubble/covid restrictions excuses gone.

I just don’t really like the idea of playing OG at the 2.

The Upside of that 2-3-4 lineup would be high but Idk how well OG can handle the 2. Especially if Fred is the 1. If we had a playmaking pass first PG, it might work

Isn't Kuminga the 2 in this scenario? He's 6'6 or 6'7 and he definately weighs less than OG right?

What were Kobe and VCs measurments?

I thought we wanted to get bigger, especially in the backcourt

That's what I'm saying. If you draft Kuminga, you want to go big, long and quick and thats all 3 of Kuminga/OG/Siakam.

[WuTang_OG]

Corey Krispert on Suggs. He comes off really impressive

https://youtu.be/ZRb9T1A9e3Y?t=273

[AbC?]

I do find it more than mildly amusing that our armchair talent evaluators think that after a few minutes or hours of “watching tape” they’ve discovered the holy grail of insight that all the experts somehow overlooked?

If Mr. Suggs has such a rudimentary handle and lack of creation, why was he named Mr. Baketball in his state, why did he win 3 gold medals as the lead guard on USA junior teams with Cade, Green, Barnes etc? Why did the consensus #1 college team recruit and hand the reigns over to a rookie who led them to a near undefeated season if he was so…average? Why do experts mock him to the Raptors at 4 while having Suggs #2 on their big boards?

I’ll admit I personally like the Suggs fit on our team. He may not be as tall as Cade but he is 4” taller then the GROAT, he may not be an above the rim athlete but he’s plenty athletic in a Raptors kind of smash mouth way, he may not have scored almost 18 points per game over an amazingly taxing 15 game Gleague season but he did score over 14 per playing on a stacked team with a 50.3 FG%, he may not guard 1-5 but he can lock down 1-2 (which seems important). All this to say, Jalen Suggs doesn’t need to be your favourite player or pick but let’s not pretend he’s a scrub who’ll wash out of the league like Darko.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-nba-draft-jalen-suggs-special-corey-kispert?jwsource=cl

Lol, this is basically a slight at me right?

I pointed out a very specific part of Suggs game that I consider weak. Why would that stop him for winning a bunch of awards and accolades? Listen up everyone, don't discuss possible weaknesses in any of Cade/Suggs/Green/Mobley's game because they've all racked up gold medals and Mr. Basketballs! It's idiotic logic.

No one called him a scrub, I would take him 4th. Such a stupid strawman to equate discussing weaknesses to considering the guy is a scrub.

PSA EVERYONE: Stop evaluating prospects, we're all armchair evaluators that have no right to opinion. Leave it to the experts.

[Bruin]

Why wouldn't they throw out FVV, OG, Kuminga, Siakam? I think if you take Kuminga, the upside is making a 2-3-4 defensive wall on the wing.

Siakam isnt going anywhere imo. Not for at least another year to see how things shape up and with the bubble/covid restrictions excuses gone.

I just don’t really like the idea of playing OG at the 2.

The Upside of that 2-3-4 lineup would be high but Idk how well OG can handle the 2. Especially if Fred is the 1. If we had a playmaking pass first PG, it might work

Isn't Kuminga the 2 in this scenario? He's 6'6 or 6'7 and he definately weighs less than OG right?

What were Kobe and VCs measurments?

I thought we wanted to get bigger, especially in the backcourt

I wish Kuminga would’ve done measurements at the combine. Some says he’s 6’8” and some say he’s 6’6”

Also I don’t like Kumingas skill set at the 2 either. Until he learns to shoot well he can’t be playing a 2 guard

His style of play would be like playing Pascal at the 2

[WuTang_OG]

From their board ]:

If Suggs fell to Orlando, WeHam should walk away grinning ear to ear.

I couldn't even imagine how great it would be to land Suggs and Moody.

Thats a great draft for ORL