Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[vulture]

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[bballsparkin]

This is what I'm seeing overall for these prospects:
mobley - Highest outcome is 2nd best defensive player on a championship team and 3rd best offensive player if his jumper translates
Lowest outcome is bench big on a championship team

Green- Highest outcome is 2nd or 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if his playmaking improves quite a bit and 4th or 5th best defensive player if he gets in a good system
Lowest outcome is 4th guard on a championship team so basically a bench guard

Suggs- Highest outcome is 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if the shooting is above average and 2nd or 3rd best defensive player on a championship team
Lowest outcome is Backup guard at both the 1 and 2 on a championship team.

Barnes: Highest outcome is 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if the shooting is average and 2nd defensive player on a championship especially if he can play small ball 5
Lowest outcome is low end starter on championship because of his passing and defensive versatility

Overall, I just don't see anyone with superstar potential here so hopeful these guys reach their highest outcomes.

You're highest outcomes are whack.

Lowest outcome is bench big on a championship team

Sure, if he breaks both knee caps and has shin splints. I'll give you one thing. You're "highest outcomes" are consistently pessimistic.

[720]

Still wish that Champanie guy didn’t go back to college. He looks so polished and he was one of those guys that we could have realistically gotten with one of our second round picks if we go by mocks.

I like JT Thor too but he’s played himself into the 1st round.

[bballsparkin]

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i'm sure cavs will take either Mobley or maybe go home run for Barnes.. They won't want Suggs since they already stacked at PG

Suggs is like glue. I think he's in play. They might be stacked at PG but Suggs could be the best of the bunch. Making one or two them expendable perhaps.

[vulture]

This is what I'm seeing overall for these prospects:
mobley - Highest outcome is 2nd best defensive player on a championship team and 3rd best offensive player if his jumper translates
Lowest outcome is bench big on a championship team

Green- Highest outcome is 2nd or 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if his playmaking improves quite a bit and 4th or 5th best defensive player if he gets in a good system
Lowest outcome is 4th guard on a championship team so basically a bench guard

Suggs- Highest outcome is 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if the shooting is above average and 2nd or 3rd best defensive player on a championship team
Lowest outcome is Backup guard at both the 1 and 2 on a championship team.

Barnes: Highest outcome is 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if the shooting is average and 2nd defensive player on a championship especially if he can play small ball 5
Lowest outcome is low end starter on championship because of his passing and defensive versatility

Overall, I just don't see anyone with superstar potential here so hopeful these guys reach their highest outcomes.

You're highest outcomes are whack.

Lowest outcome is bench big on a championship team

Sure, if he breaks both knee caps and has shin splints. I'll give you one thing. You're "highest outcomes" are consistently pessimistic.

It’s called being realistic. About 80% of the first round prospects fail to make any impact every year.
Expecting any of these prospects to be great players is just not realistic.

I hope you’re not one those people who watches YouTube videos referring to these prospects as generational talent

[megalison]

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i'm sure cavs will take either Mobley or maybe go home run for Barnes.. They won't want Suggs since they already stacked at PG

Suggs is like glue. I think he's in play. They might be stacked at PG but Suggs could be the best of the bunch. Making one or two them expendable perhaps.

Not to mention Sexton in no way should be considered a locked-in core piece. He's only just gotten to a point where he's actually providing value, and that's in a high-volume gunner role. Very good chance he becomes a sixth-man type on his next contract.

This is a textbook 'take the BPA no matter what' scenario for Cleveland.

[Risk101]

Still wish that Champanie guy didn’t go back to college. He looks so polished and he was one of those guys that we could have realistically gotten with one of our second round picks if we go by mocks.

I like JT Thor too but he’s played himself into the 1st round.

That Justin Champagnie kid is overrated. He pulled out of a strong draft for a reason he was gonna go deep in the second round. That alone should tell you that there alot of flaws in his game.

[720]

Still wish that Champanie guy didn’t go back to college. He looks so polished and he was one of those guys that we could have realistically gotten with one of our second round picks if we go by mocks.

I like JT Thor too but he’s played himself into the 1st round.

That Justin Champagnie kid is overrated. He pulled out of a strong draft for a reason he was gonna go deep in the second round. That alone should tell you that there alot of flaws in his game.

Justin Champagnie is still in the draft. His brother Julian is the one that pulled out. I think Julian pulled out because he was worried about going undrafted. A lot of mocks didn’t even have him being picked.

I know he was a streaky shooter but he’s a 6 foot 8 shooting guard. Has a lot of moves in his arsenal to create space, take shots in tight spaces, etc. I feel like with us we could have honed in on what works with him and gotten him to be more efficient.

[bballsparkin]

It’s called being realistic. About 80% of the first round prospects fail to make any impact every year.
Expecting any of these prospects to be great players is just not realistic.

I hope you’re not one those people who watches YouTube videos referring to these prospects as generational talent

Am I qualified? No. Would I take Mobley first? Yes. My only concern with him is health. And the way the Silver lead league is going when it comes to bigs. I do think he could be a generational talent in fact. Very much so.

Suggs? I don't know. He looks solid with good vision. But we're talking about upside here. I think his upside is the best player in the draft.

Green? Upside is one of the best scorers ever. Downside? I think lower than the other 4. More than many on here seem to think. But the upside is so good with Green he is also worthy of considering with the first pick.

Cade? Think he's kinda boring to be honest. But I'm not gonna argue with all the other writers more informed than me who seem to unanimously have him at first.

Barnes? Doubt his shot. It's a shooters league. But if he gets one his high upside is look out.

Perhaps you could have added the word "most likely". Because I think you are way under with the highest outcomes. And too low with their lowest. Time will tell.

[Risk101]

Still wish that Champanie guy didn’t go back to college. He looks so polished and he was one of those guys that we could have realistically gotten with one of our second round picks if we go by mocks.

I like JT Thor too but he’s played himself into the 1st round.

That Justin Champagnie kid is overrated. He pulled out of a strong draft for a reason he was gonna go deep in the second round. That alone should tell you that there alot of flaws in his game.

Justin Champagnie is still in the draft. His brother Julian is the one that pulled out. I think Julian pulled out because he was worried about going undrafted. A lot of mocks didn’t even have him being picked.

I know he was a streaky shooter and but he’s a 6 foot 8 shooting guard. Has a lot of moves in his arsenal to create space, take shots in tight spaces, etc. I feel like with us we could have honed in on what works with him and gotten him to be more efficient.

Oh wow this whole time I was watching the wrong brother. Lemme see this Julian kid.

Either way him opting out lets me think he isn't that talented because he should have made enough of an impact at 20 years old to get into the 1st round.

[720]

That Justin Champagnie kid is overrated. He pulled out of a strong draft for a reason he was gonna go deep in the second round. That alone should tell you that there alot of flaws in his game.

Justin Champagnie is still in the draft. His brother Julian is the one that pulled out. I think Julian pulled out because he was worried about going undrafted. A lot of mocks didn’t even have him being picked.

I know he was a streaky shooter and but he’s a 6 foot 8 shooting guard. Has a lot of moves in his arsenal to create space, take shots in tight spaces, etc. I feel like with us we could have honed in on what works with him and gotten him to be more efficient.

Oh wow this whole time I was watching the wrong brother. Lemme see this Julian kid.

Either way him opting out lets me think he isn't that talented because he should have made enough of an impact at 20 years old to get into the 1st round.

Check him out, someone here posted his highlights a few pages ago. He’s imo a better prospect than his brother because he can actually shoot the three pointer. But many like Justin more for some reason.

[Marty_Budda]

This is what I'm seeing overall for these prospects:
mobley - Highest outcome is 2nd best defensive player on a championship team and 3rd best offensive player if his jumper translates
Lowest outcome is bench big on a championship team

Green- Highest outcome is 2nd or 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if his playmaking improves quite a bit and 4th or 5th best defensive player if he gets in a good system
Lowest outcome is 4th guard on a championship team so basically a bench guard

Suggs- Highest outcome is 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if the shooting is above average and 2nd or 3rd best defensive player on a championship team
Lowest outcome is Backup guard at both the 1 and 2 on a championship team.

Barnes: Highest outcome is 3rd best offensive player on a championship team if the shooting is average and 2nd defensive player on a championship especially if he can play small ball 5
Lowest outcome is low end starter on championship because of his passing and defensive versatility

Overall, I just don't see anyone with superstar potential here so hopeful these guys reach their highest outcomes.

You're highest outcomes are whack.

Lowest outcome is bench big on a championship team

Sure, if he breaks both knee caps and has shin splints. I'll give you one thing. You're "highest outcomes" are consistently pessimistic.

It’s called being realistic. About 80% of the first round prospects fail to make any impact every year.
Expecting any of these prospects to be great players is just not realistic.

I hope you’re not one those people who watches YouTube videos referring to these prospects as generational talent

Mobley becoming the best defensive player in the league is not unrealistic! Doesn’t mean it’ll happen, but it also COULD happen.

Green becoming a go-to scorer on a championship team could be a possibility. Does it mean it’ll definitely happen? No. But it’s a possibility again based on his potential.

I could go on for all these guys. Only one I agree with is Barnes.

Your highest outcomes are out of whack because they’re very conservative for how highly rated of prospects these guys are. Chances are some of them won’t fulfill their entire potential, but if they do no reason their ceilings shouldn’t be higher than what you’ve suggested.

[Risk101]

Am I qualified? No. Would I take Mobley first? Yes. My only concern with him is health. And the way the Silver lead league is going when it comes to bigs. I do think he could be a generational talent in fact. Very much so.

Mobley's college stats align with Karl-Anthony, Anthony Davis and Joel Embiid to name a few.

But who knows how he pans out in the nba

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/1/13/22226644/2021-nba-draft-evan-mobley-usc

[God Squad]

This off season sucks so far lol. Losing a core member of our development team. Masai’s shadow looming over the organization. Pascal rehabbing for the summer and not being able to work on his game.

It’s the first time where I feel like the front office have no true vision for the future.

We jumped 3 spots and landed the 4th pick in a stacked draft.

Everyone is over dramatic as hell. This off season as been very good so far. Obviously I'd like more moves to be made though. But tbh the only bad move/downer would be losing Masai. Other than that good luck to all the assistants that got gigs from being here.

[God Squad]

Still wish that Champanie guy didn’t go back to college. He looks so polished and he was one of those guys that we could have realistically gotten with one of our second round picks if we go by mocks.

I like JT Thor too but he’s played himself into the 1st round.

Some say he's lotto bound, but I see him more in the 15-25 range. There really isn't much separating prospects 14-25 IMO. Everyone seems to be closely ranked/mocked on most boards.

[OAKLEY_2]

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i'm sure cavs will take either Mobley or maybe go home run for Barnes.. They won't want Suggs since they already stacked at PG

Suggs is like glue. I think he's in play. They might be stacked at PG but Suggs could be the best of the bunch. Making one or two them expendable perhaps.

Not to mention Sexton in no way should be considered a locked-in core piece. He's only just gotten to a point where he's actually providing value, and that's in a high-volume gunner role. Very good chance he becomes a sixth-man type on his next contract.

This is a textbook 'take the BPA no matter what' scenario for Cleveland.

I would be surprised if Houston passes on Mobley. He is 1b all the way.

[OAKLEY_2]

And then Green is an easy pick for the Cavs. Unlike the lotto balls Suggs name appears just about every roll. Watched a clip of Shannon and Skip (LOL) and they said post tourney Suggs did not scream Ja Morant level talent. Skip said he def has winning intangibles but isn't by any means "generational" if even an allstar. I think that is harsh. He screams superb all round athlete. Leader. Competitor. He screams intangibles. He screams IQ. He screams Lowry replacement.

[OAKLEY_2]

Suggs is Raptor DNA.

[HumbleRen]

And then Green is an easy pick for the Cavs. Unlike the lotto balls Suggs name appears just about every roll. Watched a clip of Shannon and Skip (LOL) and they said post tourney Suggs did not scream Ja Morant level talent. Skip said he def has winning intangibles but isn't by any means "generational" if even an allstar. I think that is harsh. He screams superb all round athlete. Leader. Competitor. He screams intangibles. He screams IQ. He screams Lowry replacement.

I think it’s fair for Skip to say that, not many players ever get to be a generational talent lol.

I don’t see a 25 ppg player in him but people are starting to dismiss him like it’s only a 3 player draft.

The disrespect that he’s getting is insane lol. Suggs is a great prospect and easily has the most Raptors qualities out of the 4 players.

[AussieRaptor]

People keep saying Suggs has Raptors qualities, DNA, etc. I can absolutely see why, but what if Suns (for example) were picking #4. Who would be the most Suns-esque? Would it still be Suggs?

Just curious. Obviously Suns made the Finals the right way, by building through the draft then trading for a key veteran piece in CP3 to push them over the top.