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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1001 » by alpngso » Thu Jul 8, 2021 5:51 am

RedVanVleet wrote:Im not sure what Detroit would want but I would trade anything to get Cade. Watching the mavs with Luka proves how much a player can carry a team. If toronto could surround Cade with any combination of the current team moving forward that is what I would want. The bust potential on Cade is so low and I wouldnt be surprised if he becomes a top 10 player in the next 5 years.


4th pick + OG + 2 future 1st (top 3 protected) + maybe pick swaps

you can throw everything at him. there's always a price except for maybe top 8 players in the league
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Post#1002 » by Fast_Feets » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:07 am

AussieRaptor wrote:
Fast_Feets wrote:I want zach lavine on the raps somehow. Play him at 1 or 2. Trade fvv. Pascal and OG in this order. Keep og if possible.
Suggs
Lavine
Wiggins
Og
Birch / wiseman

Or

Lavine
Green
Wiggins
mobley
Birch


So scenario 1 you’ve traded Pascal to GSW for Wiggins + Wiseman + 7 + 14, then you’ve traded FVV + 7 + 14 for LaVine?

In scenario 2 I have no idea what you’ve done. Some combination of scenario 1, but OG and Wiseman are now gone as well, and we’ve presumably landed picks 2 and 3 somehow to come away with Green and Mobley. How?

I don’t think landing LaVine is even remotely realistic. I’d like to land Ingram somehow, but same boat.


To be honest i would not mind flynn manning the point. My dislike for FVV s game as lead point is huge. He is too slow, can barely create for others and is not a threat driving to the paint. If he had a floater it might help
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1003 » by AussieRaptor » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:08 am

RedVanVleet wrote:Im not sure what Detroit would want but I would trade anything to get Cade. Watching the mavs with Luka proves how much a player can carry a team. If toronto could surround Cade with any combination of the current team moving forward that is what I would want. The bust potential on Cade is so low and I wouldnt be surprised if he becomes a top 10 player in the next 5 years.


While I agree Cade looks to be a potential franchise player, if he’s truly that good, Pistons won’t trade him away. They desperately need a superstar.
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1004 » by AussieRaptor » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:19 am

alpngso wrote:
RedVanVleet wrote:Im not sure what Detroit would want but I would trade anything to get Cade. Watching the mavs with Luka proves how much a player can carry a team. If toronto could surround Cade with any combination of the current team moving forward that is what I would want. The bust potential on Cade is so low and I wouldnt be surprised if he becomes a top 10 player in the next 5 years.


4th pick + OG + 2 future 1st (top 3 protected) + maybe pick swaps

you can throw everything at him. there's always a price except for maybe top 8 players in the league


As much as I like Cade’s potential, I wouldn’t make that trade. 4th pick will land us a good prospect, likely Suggs. OG is already a good young player in the league who has more development in him. Then 2 future 1sts + pick swaps. That’s too rich for me.
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Post#1005 » by bballsparkin » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:20 am

alpngso wrote:
RedVanVleet wrote:Im not sure what Detroit would want but I would trade anything to get Cade. Watching the mavs with Luka proves how much a player can carry a team. If toronto could surround Cade with any combination of the current team moving forward that is what I would want. The bust potential on Cade is so low and I wouldnt be surprised if he becomes a top 10 player in the next 5 years.


4th pick + OG + 2 future 1st (top 3 protected) + maybe pick swaps

you can throw everything at him. there's always a price except for maybe top 8 players in the league


Yuck. You must really believe in Cade for that kind of offer. I wouldn't even do 4th +OG. Guess I'm a homer. lol
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Post#1006 » by RedVanVleet » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:29 am

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RedVanVleet wrote:Im not sure what Detroit would want but I would trade anything to get Cade. Watching the mavs with Luka proves how much a player can carry a team. If toronto could surround Cade with any combination of the current team moving forward that is what I would want. The bust potential on Cade is so low and I wouldnt be surprised if he becomes a top 10 player in the next 5 years.


4th pick + OG + 2 future 1st (top 3 protected) + maybe pick swaps

you can throw everything at him. there's always a price except for maybe top 8 players in the league


Yuck. You must really believe in Cade for that kind of offer. I wouldn't even do 4th +OG. Guess I'm a homer. lol

The draft is such a crapshoot but Cade looks nba ready the same way Luka did. He carried his team on his back as a freshman and dominated. The importance of a star player in this league is necessary and I would risk OG plus #4 in the hopes he becomes something special. However I agree the pistons wont trade that pick for anything
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Post#1007 » by RedVanVleet » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:36 am



The way he plays the game I have a hard time imagining a scenario where he wont be a top tier talent in the nba. I would ideally bring back Kyle, Siakam and OG and trade FVV plus as many picks as needed
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Post#1008 » by HumbleRen » Thu Jul 8, 2021 7:05 am

I would never trade the 4th and OG for Cade.

OG is legit a top 2 Three and D player in the league. Isn’t even close to his prime yet. Suggs is a stud.

I’m good on that lol.
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Post#1009 » by tecumseh18 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 8:34 am

AussieRaptor wrote:
alpngso wrote:
RedVanVleet wrote:Im not sure what Detroit would want but I would trade anything to get Cade. Watching the mavs with Luka proves how much a player can carry a team. If toronto could surround Cade with any combination of the current team moving forward that is what I would want. The bust potential on Cade is so low and I wouldnt be surprised if he becomes a top 10 player in the next 5 years.


4th pick + OG + 2 future 1st (top 3 protected) + maybe pick swaps

you can throw everything at him. there's always a price except for maybe top 8 players in the league


As much as I like Cade’s potential, I wouldn’t make that trade. 4th pick will land us a good prospect, likely Suggs. OG is already a good young player in the league who has more development in him. Then 2 future 1sts + pick swaps. That’s too rich for me.


Cade, is really, really good. But he's not gonna be Lebron, or probably even Luka. Raps don't have enough quality depth to make that type of trade. We need both OG and Suggs (ideally Mobley, but Suggs is great), and whoever we draft for those future picks.

To give up so much talent and draft capital would guarantee we'll be mediocre for years, and then see Cade walk. Mavs are already in the danger zone, having given up draft capital (Cam Reddish) to get Luka, and future picks to bring in Porzingis. Luka is starting to get impatient, while Trae is looking at a bright future.
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Post#1010 » by AussieRaptor » Thu Jul 8, 2021 8:35 am

RedVanVleet wrote:The way he plays the game I have a hard time imagining a scenario where he wont be a top tier talent in the nba. I would ideally bring back Kyle, Siakam and OG and trade FVV plus as many picks as needed


If the trade were centered around #4 + FVV as opposed to #4 + OG, absolutely, sign me up! Then as you said, bring back Kyle…

Lowry
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Siakam
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Post#1011 » by zimpy27 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 9:31 am

Do Lakers have any chance picking up FVV?

THT(SnT) + KCP + #22 + 27FRP
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Post#1012 » by CanadaB-Ball » Thu Jul 8, 2021 11:51 am

zimpy27 wrote:Do Lakers have any chance picking up FVV?

THT(SnT) + KCP + #22 + 27FRP


Not even close.

People can talk about their disdain for FVV, but the Raptors value advanced metrics, and FVV’s are exceptional; they’re not trading him.
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Post#1013 » by Smalltown » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:12 pm

CanadaB-Ball wrote:People can talk about their disdain for FVV, but the Raptors value advanced metrics, and FVV’s are exceptional; they’re not trading him.


This. And his leadership is off the charts. He's Nurse's right hand on the court. There's no way they move him at this point.
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Post#1014 » by RapsFanInOhio » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:25 pm

Would the Pelicans move Ingram for a package involving the 4th pick? Maybe Baynes, Boucher, Hood, 4, and a 2022 1st for Ingram?

FVV / Flynn
OG / GTJ
Ingram / Watson
Siakam / Yuta
Birch or Noel

Feels like a pretty good team. We’d have the two seconds to use in this scenario along with whatever happens with Lowry. He’s either brought back (Lowry, FVV, OG, Ingram, Siakam would start) or moved in a S&T. Let’s say it’s LAC for Kennard, Zubac, and an opted in Ibaka:

FVV / Flynn
OG / GTJ / Kennard
Ingram / Watson
Siakam /MLE / Yuta
Ibaka / Zubac

That feels like a title contender to me.
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Post#1015 » by alpngso » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:27 pm

bballsparkin wrote:
alpngso wrote:
RedVanVleet wrote:Im not sure what Detroit would want but I would trade anything to get Cade. Watching the mavs with Luka proves how much a player can carry a team. If toronto could surround Cade with any combination of the current team moving forward that is what I would want. The bust potential on Cade is so low and I wouldnt be surprised if he becomes a top 10 player in the next 5 years.


4th pick + OG + 2 future 1st (top 3 protected) + maybe pick swaps

you can throw everything at him. there's always a price except for maybe top 8 players in the league


Yuck. You must really believe in Cade for that kind of offer. I wouldn't even do 4th +OG. Guess I'm a homer. lol


i wouldn’t do it because i dont think Cade will be Luka level (MVP tier) more likely several all-nba teams.

But op wanted to get Cade whatever means possible and i feel like it would require that level of assets
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Post#1016 » by Psubs » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:39 pm

AussieRaptor wrote:
RedVanVleet wrote:The way he plays the game I have a hard time imagining a scenario where he wont be a top tier talent in the nba. I would ideally bring back Kyle, Siakam and OG and trade FVV plus as many picks as needed


If the trade were centered around #4 + FVV as opposed to #4 + OG, absolutely, sign me up! Then as you said, bring back Kyle…

Lowry
Cade
OG
Siakam
Birch


This is a good idea and one that Detroit should do. Maybe FVV, #4 and 2022 1st pick (top 4 protected).

PG FVV - Lee
SG Killian - Jackson
SF Bey - Kuminga
PF Grant - Dombouya
C Plumlee - Stewart

Re-sign Lowry for 2 years tops.

PG Lowry - Flynn - 2nd pick
SG Cade/Trent - Watson
SF OG - Cade - Yuta
PF Siakam - Boucher
C Birch - FA - Gillespie - 2nd pick
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Post#1017 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:20 pm

Fast_Feets wrote:
AussieRaptor wrote:
Fast_Feets wrote:I want zach lavine on the raps somehow. Play him at 1 or 2. Trade fvv. Pascal and OG in this order. Keep og if possible.
Suggs
Lavine
Wiggins
Og
Birch / wiseman

Or

Lavine
Green
Wiggins
mobley
Birch


So scenario 1 you’ve traded Pascal to GSW for Wiggins + Wiseman + 7 + 14, then you’ve traded FVV + 7 + 14 for LaVine?

In scenario 2 I have no idea what you’ve done. Some combination of scenario 1, but OG and Wiseman are now gone as well, and we’ve presumably landed picks 2 and 3 somehow to come away with Green and Mobley. How?

I don’t think landing LaVine is even remotely realistic. I’d like to land Ingram somehow, but same boat.


To be honest i would not mind flynn manning the point. My dislike for FVV s game as lead point is huge. He is too slow, can barely create for others and is not a threat driving to the paint. If he had a floater it might help


Agreed on the dislike for FVVs game. I think he's a quality player on the right team but he HAS to play beside a Lebron, Giannis, Wade, Simmons AND both other wing players need to be above average slashers/creators because FVV simply can't do that. So the question becomes - is FVV good enough that we should be building around his deficiencies? I personally don't think so.

With respect to Lavine - I actually don't think he's as difficult to get as some may think. Bulls only have next season to make a playoff push before Lavine is a UFA. I would expect if the Bulls look like they won't make the playoffs by the deadline next season or they're not confident about how deep their run might be, they will take calls about him. Unless something crazy happens between then and now, I fully expect him to be the next all-star available on the market.
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Post#1018 » by Raps1103 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:28 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Do Lakers have any chance picking up FVV?

THT(SnT) + KCP + #22 + 27FRP


WTF???? This is a mod saying this garbage ? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :o :o
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Post#1019 » by NotMyKawhi » Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:39 pm

Raps1103 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Do Lakers have any chance picking up FVV?

THT(SnT) + KCP + #22 + 27FRP


WTF???? This is a mod saying this garbage ? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :o :o




I don't think that's as bad of a trade as you think unless you think very highly of FVV

getting 2 1st round picks for any player that isn't an all-star? plus a solid prospect and role player? What do you want, AD?
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1020 » by AussieRaptor » Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:42 pm

RapsFanInOhio wrote:Would the Pelicans move Ingram for a package involving the 4th pick? Maybe Baynes, Boucher, Hood, 4, and a 2022 1st for Ingram?

FVV / Flynn
OG / GTJ
Ingram / Watson
Siakam / Yuta
Birch or Noel

Feels like a pretty good team. We’d have the two seconds to use in this scenario along with whatever happens with Lowry. He’s either brought back (Lowry, FVV, OG, Ingram, Siakam would start) or moved in a S&T. Let’s say it’s LAC for Kennard, Zubac, and an opted in Ibaka:

FVV / Flynn
OG / GTJ / Kennard
Ingram / Watson
Siakam /MLE / Yuta
Ibaka / Zubac

That feels like a title contender to me.


Not sure Pelicans do that. Could rock the boat for Zion and his camp too, which I’m sure they’d like to avoid.

Would love to trade for Ingram though. I’ve dropped his name on here a couple of times recently, as he’s the legit scoring wing we need. If we could add him, I’m bringing Lowry back:

Lowry
FVV
Ingram
OG
Siakam

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