2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Raps1103]

Do Lakers have any chance picking up FVV?

THT(SnT) + KCP + #22 + 27FRP

WTF???? This is a mod saying this garbage ?

I don't think that's as bad of a trade as you think unless you think very highly of FVV

getting 2 1st round picks for any player that isn't an all-star? plus a solid prospect and role player? What do you want, AD?

It’s trash ..
Freddy put up 19/6/4, in a down year
A clutch 3 pt shooter
A integral piece to winning a championship
He’s one of the TOP defensive guards in the NBA
With great advance metrics

If you don’t like Fred VanVleet, than quite frankly, you didn’t really understand basketball, and a poor judge of NBA talent

[Spida888]

WTF???? This is a mod saying this garbage ?

I don't think that's as bad of a trade as you think unless you think very highly of FVV

getting 2 1st round picks for any player that isn't an all-star? plus a solid prospect and role player? What do you want, AD?

It’s trash ..
Freddy put up 19/6/4, in a down year
A clutch 3 pt shooter
A integral piece to winning a championship
He’s one of the TOP defensive guards in the NBA
With great advance metrics

If you don’t like Fred VanVleet, than quite frankly, you didn’t really understand basketball, and a poor judge of NBA talent

I wouldn't do that deal either. THT is alright, but is overhyped right now, and will look to get paid soon. The FRPs are also late picks.

Fred will be an integral player in the next phase where we need his leadership to mentor the young guys coming in especially if Kyle isn't re-signed - at least initially.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

WTF???? This is a mod saying this garbage ?

I don't think that's as bad of a trade as you think unless you think very highly of FVV

getting 2 1st round picks for any player that isn't an all-star? plus a solid prospect and role player? What do you want, AD?

It’s trash ..
Freddy put up 19/6/4, in a down year
A clutch 3 pt shooter
A integral piece to winning a championship
He’s one of the TOP defensive guards in the NBA
With great advance metrics

If you don’t like Fred VanVleet, than quite frankly, you didn’t really understand basketball, and a poor judge of NBA talent

to play devil's advocate, this was his best season as a pro and a sign of where he is at without the other leaders like Lowry or Siakam, on the floor with him at times. career high in pts, rebounds, USG%. higher USG% --> lower TS%, lower FG %s, shooting and making more 3s, which inflates his TS% (points per FGA set off) as his FG% plummeted.

I think this is as good as it gets for FVV. lets be realistic. I wouldn't do that trade either but FVV isn't anyone special. he's great if you have a superstar on the team but above average if you don't (rating on them playing to their roles)

right now, FVV is the first or second option on this team. which is kinda average for him as a player and his role. lets hope who we get at #4 can instantly become a #1-2 option this next season or two.

[Rapsfan07]

I don't think that's as bad of a trade as you think unless you think very highly of FVV

getting 2 1st round picks for any player that isn't an all-star? plus a solid prospect and role player? What do you want, AD?

It’s trash ..
Freddy put up 19/6/4, in a down year
A clutch 3 pt shooter
A integral piece to winning a championship
He’s one of the TOP defensive guards in the NBA
With great advance metrics

If you don’t like Fred VanVleet, than quite frankly, you didn’t really understand basketball, and a poor judge of NBA talent

to play devil's advocate, this was his best season as a pro and a sign of where he is at without the other leaders like Lowry or Siakam, on the floor with him at times. career high in pts, rebounds, USG%. higher USG% --> lower TS%, lower FG %s, shooting and making more 3s, which inflates his TS% (points per FGA set off) as his FG% plummeted.

I think this is as good as it gets for FVV. lets be realistic. I wouldn't do that trade either but FVV isn't anyone special. he's great if you have a superstar on the team but above average if you don't (rating on them playing to their roles)

right now, FVV is the first or second option on this team. which is kinda average for him as a player and his role. lets hope who we get at #4 can instantly become a #1-2 option this next season or two.

Bingo.

I agree. I wouldn't move FVV for that heap of of garbage but let's not kid ourselves - he's not the second coming of Steph Curry. It would take a really good offer for me to move him but he's not unmovable.

[Morris_Shatford]

Do Lakers have any chance picking up FVV?

THT(SnT) + KCP + #22 + 27FRP

FVV is a little like OG;
He is likely worth more to us that he would be to other teams.

The value may be in line?
But I just can't see the Raps breaking FVV into a few pieces.

[HumbleRen]

Do Lakers have any chance picking up FVV?

THT(SnT) + KCP + #22 + 27FRP

FVV is a little like OG;
He is likely worth more to us that he would be to other teams.

The value may be in line?
But I just can't see the Raps breaking FVV into a few pieces.

He’s the opposite of OG.

OG is probably the best 3&D player in the league on an extremely friendly contract. Teams would be clamouring over him in a second if he was available.

With Lowry leaving, FVV can’t be traded IMO unless it’s a really good deal. We have no leaders outside of him.

[Morris_Shatford]

Do Lakers have any chance picking up FVV?

THT(SnT) + KCP + #22 + 27FRP

FVV is a little like OG;
He is likely worth more to us that he would be to other teams.

The value may be in line?
But I just can't see the Raps breaking FVV into a few pieces.

He’s the opposite of OG.

OG is probably the best 3&D player in the league on an extremely friendly contract. Teams would be clamouring over him in a second if he was available.

With Lowry leaving, FVV can’t be traded IMO unless it’s a really good deal. We have no leaders outside of him.

He is like OG in the sense that we as a team and a fanbase would likely place a higher value on him in the open marketplace over what we could potentially get for him due to his importance to the team if he was available for exactly the reasons you listed.

OG obviously gets you more.

[HumbleRen]

FVV is a little like OG;
He is likely worth more to us that he would be to other teams.

The value may be in line?
But I just can't see the Raps breaking FVV into a few pieces.

He’s the opposite of OG.

OG is probably the best 3&D player in the league on an extremely friendly contract. Teams would be clamouring over him in a second if he was available.

With Lowry leaving, FVV can’t be traded IMO unless it’s a really good deal. We have no leaders outside of him.

He is like OG in the sense that we as a team and a fanbase would likely place a higher value on him in the open marketplace over what we could potentially get for him due to his importance to the team if he was available for exactly the reasons you listed.

OG obviously gets you more.

Oh I see what you mean, yeah I’m inclined to agree with you then. Honestly though, I do think we can get a nice package for FVV but it’s probably not worth breaking up a dollar to get 4 quarters back

[Raps1103]

I don't think that's as bad of a trade as you think unless you think very highly of FVV

getting 2 1st round picks for any player that isn't an all-star? plus a solid prospect and role player? What do you want, AD?

It’s trash ..
Freddy put up 19/6/4, in a down year
A clutch 3 pt shooter
A integral piece to winning a championship
He’s one of the TOP defensive guards in the NBA
With great advance metrics

If you don’t like Fred VanVleet, than quite frankly, you didn’t really understand basketball, and a poor judge of NBA talent

to play devil's advocate, this was his best season as a pro and a sign of where he is at without the other leaders like Lowry or Siakam, on the floor with him at times. career high in pts, rebounds, USG%. higher USG% --> lower TS%, lower FG %s, shooting and making more 3s, which inflates his TS% (points per FGA set off) as his FG% plummeted.

I think this is as good as it gets for FVV. lets be realistic. I wouldn't do that trade either but FVV isn't anyone special. he's great if you have a superstar on the team but above average if you don't (rating on them playing to their roles)

right now, FVV is the first or second option on this team. which is kinda average for him as a player and his role. lets hope who we get at #4 can instantly become a #1-2 option this next season or two.

I disagree on some of what you said .. the team had a terrible season.. players were in n out of the lineup .. many contracted COVID including Freddy which he admitted affected his lung capacity ..
Much of the time key players were missing from the lineup so defences had nobody to guard except Freddy ! There was no Center presence whatsoever for pick n roles , dump offs, no real shooters to kick it out to… no home court fans to get the adrenaline pumping … there’s NO WAY you can look at this season and conclude .. that THIS was the best Freddy can be ! No way !!! 2019 playoffs was his best and he was huge ! And the nay sayers ( I’m not saying you are a Nay sayer) always seem to overlook that Freddy is one of the BEST guard defenders in the entire NBA.. there’s two sides of the ball .. and on the defensive end Fred VanVleet is ELITE!!!

I do agree that he’s not a first option type player !
( Siakam is currently our #1 )
Im confident that he’ll get his 3pt% back up to around 40+%

If there’s a 3 to win the game .. personally
I want Freddy taking that shot ( on the Raps)

[chimpston17]

Not sure how I feel about this idea yet but what do other people think about a Siakam deal with the Pacers?

Turner, Warren and this years 1st round pick (13th overall) for Siakam?


My interest level would probably vary based on what Warren's health status is, but thought it was an interesting idea to consider

[Raps1103]

Not sure how I feel about this idea yet but what do other people think about a Siakam deal with the Pacers?

Turner, Warren and this years 1st round pick (13th overall) for Siakam?


My interest level would probably vary based on what Warren's health status is, but thought it was an interesting idea to consider

Is this something you made up? Or have you read/heard something ?

[Raptors_128]

Not sure how I feel about this idea yet but what do other people think about a Siakam deal with the Pacers?

Turner, Warren and this years 1st round pick (13th overall) for Siakam?


My interest level would probably vary based on what Warren's health status is, but thought it was an interesting idea to consider

Personally I’m not a fan of that trade package. It’s just a bunch of role players. I rather bet on Siakam’s upside than hope that Bubble Warren was real.

[Bruin]

Not sure how I feel about this idea yet but what do other people think about a Siakam deal with the Pacers?

Turner, Warren and this years 1st round pick (13th overall) for Siakam?


My interest level would probably vary based on what Warren's health status is, but thought it was an interesting idea to consider

That’s a terrible return on Siakam

[chimpston17]

Not sure how I feel about this idea yet but what do other people think about a Siakam deal with the Pacers?

Turner, Warren and this years 1st round pick (13th overall) for Siakam?


My interest level would probably vary based on what Warren's health status is, but thought it was an interesting idea to consider

Is this something you made up? Or have you read/heard something ?

Made up.

[Rapsfan07]

Not sure how I feel about this idea yet but what do other people think about a Siakam deal with the Pacers?

Turner, Warren and this years 1st round pick (13th overall) for Siakam?


My interest level would probably vary based on what Warren's health status is, but thought it was an interesting idea to consider

Is this something you made up? Or have you read/heard something ?

Umm.. yeah no I don't think I take this deal for two reasons:

1. I've said this before but I'll say it again - as much as we get on Siakam (and I agree, he can be quite frustrating to watch at times), the NBA really, really has a poor crop of elite forwards right now. SF/PFs who can do what he can at the level he's proved he can do it are always very handsomely paid and are considered superstars most of the time. Taking a look around the league, the only SF/PFs that are without a doubt better than Siakam are LBJ, Giannis, Leonard, Durant and MAYBE Zion (depending on how you value shooting & defense). Besides Zion, who is still young, everyone else would be considered a top 10 player at WORST. In the second tier, there would be guys like Harris, Simmons (I would argue he'd be at his best playing PF, not PG), Markkanen (I believe he's talented enough to be here), Isaac (who knows how he comes back from the injury), Gordon, Draymond (depending on what you feel about him) and Siakam.

There is literally NO ONE in that second tier better than Siakam, though I could perhaps see an argument for Harris. Even if you included him though that still makes Siakam Top 5 or 6 at his position, with a huge gap in talent between him and the rest. He's not immovable but it's going to take a hell of an offer for me to move him. Turner, Warren and 13th is decent value wise but we're basically filling one hole by creating another.

2. If Siakam is going to be moved, I'd be looking at Golden State. I like Wiggins, #7 and #14 (even if they don't include Wiseman, though I'd still ask) much more than I like Turner, Warren and #13. #7 can be either traded directly to the Pacers for Turner or if they like someone at #7, we can ask for #13 and Turner for #7 and maybe our two seconds or something like that. That means we'd end up with Turner, Wiggins and #14 at worst for Siakam.

[Raps1103]

Not sure how I feel about this idea yet but what do other people think about a Siakam deal with the Pacers?

Turner, Warren and this years 1st round pick (13th overall) for Siakam?


My interest level would probably vary based on what Warren's health status is, but thought it was an interesting idea to consider

Is this something you made up? Or have you read/heard something ?

Made up.

Ahhh ok.. cuz I like Siakam ! I’m not a fan of trading him !! But.. that trade doesn’t sound terrible

[LBJKB24MJ23]

It’s trash ..
Freddy put up 19/6/4, in a down year
A clutch 3 pt shooter
A integral piece to winning a championship
He’s one of the TOP defensive guards in the NBA
With great advance metrics

If you don’t like Fred VanVleet, than quite frankly, you didn’t really understand basketball, and a poor judge of NBA talent

to play devil's advocate, this was his best season as a pro and a sign of where he is at without the other leaders like Lowry or Siakam, on the floor with him at times. career high in pts, rebounds, USG%. higher USG% --> lower TS%, lower FG %s, shooting and making more 3s, which inflates his TS% (points per FGA set off) as his FG% plummeted.

I think this is as good as it gets for FVV. lets be realistic. I wouldn't do that trade either but FVV isn't anyone special. he's great if you have a superstar on the team but above average if you don't (rating on them playing to their roles)

right now, FVV is the first or second option on this team. which is kinda average for him as a player and his role. lets hope who we get at #4 can instantly become a #1-2 option this next season or two.

I disagree on some of what you said .. the team had a terrible season.. players were in n out of the lineup .. many contracted COVID including Freddy which he admitted affected his lung capacity ..
Much of the time key players were missing from the lineup so defences had nobody to guard except Freddy ! There was no Center presence whatsoever for pick n roles , dump offs, no real shooters to kick it out to… no home court fans to get the adrenaline pumping … there’s NO WAY you can look at this season and conclude .. that THIS was the best Freddy can be ! No way !!! 2019 playoffs was his best and he was huge ! And the nay sayers ( I’m not saying you are a Nay sayer) always seem to overlook that Freddy is one of the BEST guard defenders in the entire NBA.. there’s two sides of the ball .. and on the defensive end Fred VanVleet is ELITE!!!

I do agree that he’s not a first option type player !
( Siakam is currently our #1 )
Im confident that he’ll get his 3pt% back up to around 40+%

If there’s a 3 to win the game .. personally
I want Freddy taking that shot ( on the Raps)

it possible he can do better on efficiency. but i think he's maxed out on his counting stats. if Suggs or whoever we draft at #4 is the real deal, pushing FVV down the pecking order will make this team better. no offense to fred but he's just not a #1 or #2 guy long term.

and like i said, to play devil's advocate. which is basically another point of view of what you were thinking/speaking about FVV. it may not be popular but its certainly legit spin on what type of player FVV is.

[Bruin]

What would it take to get Mo Bamba? Boucher + 2nds?

[Morris_Shatford]

What would it take to get Mo Bamba? Boucher + 2nds?

Eventually maybe, but I don't think they do it today.

I am not sure Orlando is firmly committed to Wendell Carter as their five of the future quite yet;
Once Vuc was gone it was Bamba that really seemed to embraced the additional minutes from a defensive perspective just gobbling up rebounds.

My feeling is that they are not going to want to have to deal with both their pending RFA status next summer so one will likely get moved out but I think they roll with both for at least the first 20 - 30 games to evaluate what they have.

[Morris_Shatford]

Not sure how I feel about this idea yet but what do other people think about a Siakam deal with the Pacers?

Turner, Warren and this years 1st round pick (13th overall) for Siakam?

My interest level would probably vary based on what Warren's health status is, but thought it was an interesting idea to consider

It all comes down to which TJ Warren you think you are getting;

The guy averaged 20PPG in his second last season with the Suns while shooting 22% from three, then all of a sudden the next two seasons triples his 3PTA and suddenly he shooting 43% and 40% from three. The issue is he is now 27, missed all but 4 games, and only has one cheap season left @ 11m. He is also a pretty meh off ball defender which doesn't necessarily go with what Nurse preaches.

Turner is an absolute no brainer, 25, two years left at 18m, and fills an immediate need @ the 5

Then you get to pick 13 where it comes down to "your mileage may vary" depending on who is there.

Even if we are hoping Warren comes in and is bubble Warren, I still think the value may need some tweaks.