Anyone else just massively depressed with the state of this team?

[bigdogdylan5]

Liebe Leute hier, ihr seid ja sowas von frustriert wenn ich eure Kommentare lese.

This board is a perpetual state of depression!

nothings keeping you here if you dont like this board

True.
Anyway it is a waste of time.
Orlando Magic Reddit is a much better community.

Tchüss!!!

I think this board is very valuable and it worth to be involved in. There is definitely a slant to the more down perspective. Over the last 10 years, its understandable but I think they keep me from being crazy positive and just excusing everything by making good points and I do my best to voice more optimism. For example one point I differ greatly with everyone here is with Bamba. Most people here would be totally fine moving on from him and this board keeps me from making crazy excuses for him and checking my bias. Though I still will waive his flag that we shouldn't give up on him till its dead and done. Everyone knew when we drafted him it was going to be a slow burn with development and it was going to take a bit and that is why he fell to 6. History is repeating a bit with Kuminga you really cant be for drafting him and also want to give up on him in 2-3 years if he doesn't come out the gate as a gang buster.

[Last Guardian]

nothings keeping you here if you dont like this board

True.
Anyway it is a waste of time.
Orlando Magic Reddit is a much better community.

Tchüss!!!

I think this board is very valuable and it worth to be involved in. There is definitely a slant to the more down perspective. Over the last 10 years, its understandable but I think they keep me from being crazy positive and just excusing everything by making good points and I do my best to voice more optimism. For example one point I differ greatly with everyone here is with Bamba. Most people here would be totally fine moving on from him and this board keeps me from making crazy excuses for him and checking my bias. Though I still will waive his flag that we shouldn't give up on him till its dead and done. Everyone knew when we drafted him it was going to be a slow burn with development and it was going to take a bit and that is why he fell to 6. History is repeating a bit with Kuminga you really cant be for drafting him and also want to give up on him in 2-3 years if he doesn't come out the gate as a gang buster.

I haven't given up on any of them yet including Bamba. None are perfect but there is something to like about all of them. This video from a non Magic fan pretty much sums up my thoughts (mainly the part where he talks about Chuma and JI together). I hope we draft well of course and I hope they are great players, but truly the most intriguing part of Orlando this upcoming season will be Isaac and Okeke combo at the forward spots. And yes, I'm well aware of JI injury history and I will be nervous every time he jumps. But still, I can't help but think that combo has some phenomenal potential.

Watch on YouTube

[Magic Mops]

True.
Anyway it is a waste of time.
Orlando Magic Reddit is a much better community.

Tchüss!!!

I think this board is very valuable and it worth to be involved in. There is definitely a slant to the more down perspective. Over the last 10 years, its understandable but I think they keep me from being crazy positive and just excusing everything by making good points and I do my best to voice more optimism. For example one point I differ greatly with everyone here is with Bamba. Most people here would be totally fine moving on from him and this board keeps me from making crazy excuses for him and checking my bias. Though I still will waive his flag that we shouldn't give up on him till its dead and done. Everyone knew when we drafted him it was going to be a slow burn with development and it was going to take a bit and that is why he fell to 6. History is repeating a bit with Kuminga you really cant be for drafting him and also want to give up on him in 2-3 years if he doesn't come out the gate as a gang buster.

I haven't given up on any of them yet including Bamba. None are perfect but there is something to like about all of them. This video from a non Magic fan pretty much sums up my thoughts (mainly the part where he talks about Chuma and JI together). I hope we draft well of course and I hope they are great players, but truly the most intriguing part of Orlando this upcoming season will be Isaac and Okeke combo at the forward spots. And yes, I'm well aware of JI injury history and I will be nervous every time he jumps. But still, I can't help but think that combo has some phenomenal potential.

Watch on YouTube

Good Argumentation!

I wish Isaac to stay healthy

[drsd]

Anyone else just massively depressed with the state of this team?

One thing I am getting depressed about: it is 3 weeks until draft day and we have no head coach!

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[Nyce_1]

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This video gives me life!

[VFX]

True.
Anyway it is a waste of time.
Orlando Magic Reddit is a much better community.

Tchüss!!!

I think this board is very valuable and it worth to be involved in. There is definitely a slant to the more down perspective. Over the last 10 years, its understandable but I think they keep me from being crazy positive and just excusing everything by making good points and I do my best to voice more optimism. For example one point I differ greatly with everyone here is with Bamba. Most people here would be totally fine moving on from him and this board keeps me from making crazy excuses for him and checking my bias. Though I still will waive his flag that we shouldn't give up on him till its dead and done. Everyone knew when we drafted him it was going to be a slow burn with development and it was going to take a bit and that is why he fell to 6. History is repeating a bit with Kuminga you really cant be for drafting him and also want to give up on him in 2-3 years if he doesn't come out the gate as a gang buster.

I haven't given up on any of them yet including Bamba. None are perfect but there is something to like about all of them. This video from a non Magic fan pretty much sums up my thoughts (mainly the part where he talks about Chuma and JI together). I hope we draft well of course and I hope they are great players, but truly the most intriguing part of Orlando this upcoming season will be Isaac and Okeke combo at the forward spots. And yes, I'm well aware of JI injury history and I will be nervous every time he jumps. But still, I can't help but think that combo has some phenomenal potential.

Watch on YouTube

I agree with a lot of what he said, especially talking about the small market stuff.

He lost me at "Okeke is going to take over on offense where Vucevic left off"... huh?

[Anti Chalmers]

Let’s see how draft night plays out. Two lottery prospects along with Cole, Hampton, WCJ, and Chuma should be something to be excited about.

[basketballRob]

Seems like almost all those guys have been working out here this summer. That's a big change from the usual couple.

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[SD2042]

I think this board is very valuable and it worth to be involved in. There is definitely a slant to the more down perspective. Over the last 10 years, its understandable but I think they keep me from being crazy positive and just excusing everything by making good points and I do my best to voice more optimism. For example one point I differ greatly with everyone here is with Bamba. Most people here would be totally fine moving on from him and this board keeps me from making crazy excuses for him and checking my bias. Though I still will waive his flag that we shouldn't give up on him till its dead and done. Everyone knew when we drafted him it was going to be a slow burn with development and it was going to take a bit and that is why he fell to 6. History is repeating a bit with Kuminga you really cant be for drafting him and also want to give up on him in 2-3 years if he doesn't come out the gate as a gang buster.

I haven't given up on any of them yet including Bamba. None are perfect but there is something to like about all of them. This video from a non Magic fan pretty much sums up my thoughts (mainly the part where he talks about Chuma and JI together). I hope we draft well of course and I hope they are great players, but truly the most intriguing part of Orlando this upcoming season will be Isaac and Okeke combo at the forward spots. And yes, I'm well aware of JI injury history and I will be nervous every time he jumps. But still, I can't help but think that combo has some phenomenal potential.

Watch on YouTube

I agree with a lot of what he said, especially talking about the small market stuff.

He lost me at "Okeke is going to take over on offense where Vucevic left off"... huh?

I can't wait for JI to come back with a vengeance. This team needs that defensive threat that will put some fear into the other team's best player. I like his chances at being DPOY in the future. As for Chume, I know I'm not behind the whole
"baby Kawhi" thing yet. I don't know why right now, but I see a chance of Chume being a potential sixth man as his calling.


As for what may happen with this upcoming draft. All I can say is that better make the right calls and be on point in believing in whoever they choose as they will be part of this franchise for the seeable future. As to following this franchise. This season, I actually took some time away from watching a lot of bball this season, including the playoffs to an extent. Although I'm watching the Bucks/Suns series. At least that's something very different to watch.

[SOUL]

Chuma can be Covington and that would be great, People don't need to compare him to hall of famers.

[Bensational]

Chuma can be Covington and that would be great, People don't need to compare him to hall of famers.

I love this comp. I think people really undervalue the positive impact RoCo, Jerami Grant and even TJ McConnell had on that young and tanking 6ers team. They helped keep the play hard mentality alive in the face of countless losses, and when the talent finally arrived (Embiid + Simmons) plus some other vets the remaining guys from the rebuild were ready to jump straight into top seed contention. Same coach, a lot of same players, but 20-something wins to 50.

Sure, it helps when you get such a huge and sudden influx of talented players like Joel and Ben, but they can’t do anything without a good supporting cast, and RoCo was core to that.

Okeke and RJ are prime for that. Isaac will be too.

[pepe1991]

That video is great example how to control narrative by showing only parts of arguments that you like. Every single word he said is half truth and opinion based. Nothing factual was said.

"they moved away from Evan and Gordon".

No. One requested a trade, second said before season via Franch media he won't sign for non-contender.

"Jonathan Isaac, current face of the franchise".

He is not. He is *maybe" best player on probably least talented team in nba, when healthy. When he was healthy he was like 4th to 5th option on offense, if that.

"

I watched Jonathan Isaac develop year after year from raw athletic god given prospect as a rookie, to somebody who had DPOY potential before injury".

And he was same, raw athletic player before injury. And how many games , among 27 Isaac menaged to play, non Magic fan actually watched to proclaim his "growth" ? 3? Guy literally was hurt whole rookie year long. Played few games until November than was hurt until tail end of a season, than again got hurt for end of a season.
His "DPOY potential" season is witch one? Third? Magic had 11-19 record with him in lineup. That's your DPOY candidate?

Posts Cole Anthony 12,9 ppg, 4,7 rpg, 41, apg

Never mentiones 39,7% FG, 33,7% for 3, 49,6% TS, -3,3 BPM or -2,5 RPM ( 80 among 91 players who suited to play PG during 2020-21 season )

"Jonathan Isaac and Chuma Okeke averaged combined 2,7 spg and 2,8 bpg in their previous season.

Okeke and Isaac never played single game together. Isaac hasn't played in 2020-21, Okeke in 2019-20. So, this literally never happend.


This video felt like desparate attemp to go against grain and make as positvie outlook on terrible Magic draft luck as possible, by hyping player who before blowing up knee- twice in single year, played basically no serious basketball for 2 years and is now returning to play with G league squad. And who before injuries was literally nothing more than better rounded Serge Ibaka. This is hilarious. His next video will probably will be titled "Miles Bridges, Lebron Hornets need, but do not deserve" .

I never rolled my eyes on single video more. That's a lie, i did, watching Lakers fans treat Lonzo Ball as Magic Johnson in every 201 and 2018 video.

[basketballRob]

That video is great example how to control narrative by showing only parts of arguments that you like. Every single word he said is half truth and opinion based. Nothing factual was said.

"they moved away from Evan and Gordon".

No. One requested a trade, second said before season via Franch media he won't sign for non-contender.

"Jonathan Isaac, current face of the franchise".

He is not. He is *maybe" best player on probably least talented team in nba, when healthy. When he was healthy he was like 4th to 5th option on offense, if that.

"

I watched Jonathan Isaac develop year after year from raw athletic god given prospect as a rookie, to somebody who had DPOY potential before injury".

And he was same, raw athletic player before injury. And how many games , among 27 Isaac menaged to play, non Magic fan actually watched to proclaim his "growth" ? 3? Guy literally was hurt whole rookie year long. Played few games until November than was hurt until tail end of a season, than again got hurt for end of a season.
His "DPOY potential" season is witch one? Third? Magic had 11-19 record with him in lineup. That's your DPOY candidate?

Posts Cole Anthony 12,9 ppg, 4,7 rpg, 41, apg

Never mentiones 39,7% FG, 33,7% for 3, 49,6% TS, -3,3 BPM or -2,5 RPM ( 80 among 91 players who suited to play PG during 2020-21 season )

"Jonathan Isaac and Chuma Okeke averaged combined 2,7 spg and 2,8 bpg in their previous season.

Okeke and Isaac never played single game together. Isaac hasn't played in 2020-21, Okeke in 2019-20. So, this literally never happend.


This video felt like desparate attemp to go against grain and make as positvie outlook on terrible Magic draft luck as possible, by hyping player who before blowing up knee- twice in single year, played basically no serious basketball for 2 years and is now returning to play with G league squad. And who before injuries was literally nothing more than better rounded Serge Ibaka. This is hilarious. His next video will probably will be titled "Miles Bridges, Lebron Hornets need, but do not deserve" .

I never rolled my eyes on single video more. That's a lie, i did, watching Lakers fans treat Lonzo Ball as Magic Johnson in every 201 and 2018 video.

Sure glad we got rid of that guy.

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[skyguy]

Why should I be depressed.
We're going to get a great player.
No ?
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

[bigdogdylan5]

That video is great example how to control narrative by showing only parts of arguments that you like. Every single word he said is half truth and opinion based. Nothing factual was said.

"they moved away from Evan and Gordon".

No. One requested a trade, second said before season via Franch media he won't sign for non-contender.

"Jonathan Isaac, current face of the franchise".

He is not. He is *maybe" best player on probably least talented team in nba, when healthy. When he was healthy he was like 4th to 5th option on offense, if that.

"

I watched Jonathan Isaac develop year after year from raw athletic god given prospect as a rookie, to somebody who had DPOY potential before injury".

And he was same, raw athletic player before injury. And how many games , among 27 Isaac menaged to play, non Magic fan actually watched to proclaim his "growth" ? 3? Guy literally was hurt whole rookie year long. Played few games until November than was hurt until tail end of a season, than again got hurt for end of a season.
His "DPOY potential" season is witch one? Third? Magic had 11-19 record with him in lineup. That's your DPOY candidate?

Posts Cole Anthony 12,9 ppg, 4,7 rpg, 41, apg

Never mentiones 39,7% FG, 33,7% for 3, 49,6% TS, -3,3 BPM or -2,5 RPM ( 80 among 91 players who suited to play PG during 2020-21 season )

"Jonathan Isaac and Chuma Okeke averaged combined 2,7 spg and 2,8 bpg in their previous season.

Okeke and Isaac never played single game together. Isaac hasn't played in 2020-21, Okeke in 2019-20. So, this literally never happend.


This video felt like desparate attemp to go against grain and make as positvie outlook on terrible Magic draft luck as possible, by hyping player who before blowing up knee- twice in single year, played basically no serious basketball for 2 years and is now returning to play with G league squad. And who before injuries was literally nothing more than better rounded Serge Ibaka. This is hilarious. His next video will probably will be titled "Miles Bridges, Lebron Hornets need, but do not deserve" .

I never rolled my eyes on single video more. That's a lie, i did, watching Lakers fans treat Lonzo Ball as Magic Johnson in every 201 and 2018 video.

You really don't see any potential there with Isaac? You cant seem to ever find one positive thing to say about this team (which is fine but makes me wonder why you don't find another team but to each their own), but why do you seem to care so much if others of us try to have some hope? You constantly push negativity in such a douch bag way (I really tried to think of a nicer word to describe it) when someone just tries to look at the positives. IMO there are at least a couple things to be excited about.

[pepe1991]

That video is great example how to control narrative by showing only parts of arguments that you like. Every single word he said is half truth and opinion based. Nothing factual was said.

"they moved away from Evan and Gordon".

No. One requested a trade, second said before season via Franch media he won't sign for non-contender.

"Jonathan Isaac, current face of the franchise".

He is not. He is *maybe" best player on probably least talented team in nba, when healthy. When he was healthy he was like 4th to 5th option on offense, if that.

"

I watched Jonathan Isaac develop year after year from raw athletic god given prospect as a rookie, to somebody who had DPOY potential before injury".

And he was same, raw athletic player before injury. And how many games , among 27 Isaac menaged to play, non Magic fan actually watched to proclaim his "growth" ? 3? Guy literally was hurt whole rookie year long. Played few games until November than was hurt until tail end of a season, than again got hurt for end of a season.
His "DPOY potential" season is witch one? Third? Magic had 11-19 record with him in lineup. That's your DPOY candidate?

Posts Cole Anthony 12,9 ppg, 4,7 rpg, 41, apg

Never mentiones 39,7% FG, 33,7% for 3, 49,6% TS, -3,3 BPM or -2,5 RPM ( 80 among 91 players who suited to play PG during 2020-21 season )

"Jonathan Isaac and Chuma Okeke averaged combined 2,7 spg and 2,8 bpg in their previous season.

Okeke and Isaac never played single game together. Isaac hasn't played in 2020-21, Okeke in 2019-20. So, this literally never happend.


This video felt like desparate attemp to go against grain and make as positvie outlook on terrible Magic draft luck as possible, by hyping player who before blowing up knee- twice in single year, played basically no serious basketball for 2 years and is now returning to play with G league squad. And who before injuries was literally nothing more than better rounded Serge Ibaka. This is hilarious. His next video will probably will be titled "Miles Bridges, Lebron Hornets need, but do not deserve" .

I never rolled my eyes on single video more. That's a lie, i did, watching Lakers fans treat Lonzo Ball as Magic Johnson in every 201 and 2018 video.

You really don't see any potential there with Isaac? You cant seem to ever find one positive thing to say about this team (which is fine but makes me wonder why you don't find another team but to each their own), but why do you seem to care so much if others of us try to have some hope? You constantly push negativity in such a douch bag way (I really tried to think of a nicer word to describe it) when someone just tries to look at the positives. IMO there are at least a couple things to be excited about.

There is clear difference between my opinion of Isaac- very good role player , will fit most team's needs, if healthy will be carer starter, better version of Ibaka ( career starter for 12 years and still going strong) and this hot garbage of a hottake "league is not raedy for Isaac".

LIke why "league isn't ready for Isaac" ? He has been in nba for 4 years. He didn't play due injuries for 2. People who think that he will now, with blown out knee and two years without basketball blow out into some kind of star really need some reality check in form of - watching Kristaps Porzingis play before and after 7 footer blew up his knee.

And this isn't even his first knee major injury. He had one right before ACL tear.

Watch any video of Isaac and you will see why pattern with him. Every land, every rebound, every jump it's him landing on left leg. I highly doubt that nobody noticed it before among Magic ( or even college ) experts, but it's just his habbit. One that lead toward many, many leg injuries.

And in past we saw him with Vuc ( perfect complimentary offensive player next to him that drags his man away from Isaac ), Evan ( only plus shooter on a team), Gordon ( at worst capable of cutting from time to time ) next time we see him it will be him and skeleton crew of pretty much G league roster.

I don't "push " negativity, Orlando Magic 2021-22 roster won't win 30 games. Orlando Magic post trade roster was easly worst roster in NBA. But "league is not ready for Jonathan Isaac"is hot take of a video.
Only real question is: how can Orlando Magic in next 4 years, every year squeeze more than 50 games from Isaac without him breaking down again. Because history shows that injury prone players will not age gracefully.
Before having ACL and menicus tear ( or it was MCL? Not sure) , he had a severe sprain and bone contusion where he ALSO almost tear his ACL. Before that he had to wear ankle braclet because of severe ankle sprain. Spoiler alert : all 3 major injuries on same leg. Left leg. One that he (over)uses on every jump, land... People are crazy if they think guy will now return, not be rusty, take over 30% usage on offense ,average 20 ppg a game and play 80 games. It's like expecting post injuries Derick Rose to be pre injuries Derick Rose. Pipe dream.